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OS and Inflammation in bodybuilders and how to fix!

Are you serious - the bioavailability is so incredibly low oral admin ..... Unless you have a novel formulation like you probably advertise ,, then it could probably raise it to 10-15% tops bioavailability maybe over less than 1%...

Inject is way to go for bioavailability and longer absorption time over days of time....

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Ugadawg, I appreciate you posting that and read that paper you posted and I'm sure the injectable curcumin product you take is very effective.

However, a number of people on the board (Dante included) take quality oral curcumin products and have seen improvements in bloodwork/ailments, so to hint that oral curcumin products are ineffective is a bit of a stretch.
 
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Sorry,said that based on a thread where no one seemed to know!

IM can damage muscle and there is no earthly reason to do IM unless you have an active peptic ulcer.

actually...
if one were to read all of the latest research one would find that for curcumin to be effective it must get into the blood stream. studies have concluded that im nano curcumin is the most effective way to do this...


for these things to work they must get to damaged cells.

oral curc has been discussed.

please keep in mind doing things like this im is only for and in research. :lightbulb:
 
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I have respect for what you've been doing but get some thicker skin LK3! You're sounding like a cry baby. Ok, so she didn't come on here and search out all the threads on antioxidants that you've spearheaded but you don't have to react like she personally attacked you! A lot of people here recognize your contribution...that should be enough for you...don't let your ego get in the way!

In your follow up posts you sound like you want to scream, yell and curse instead of having an intelligent conversation/debate with her...what gives? If you can't politely and intelligently disagree then stay out of her threads...last warning!! This shouldn't be the cluster that its turned into.

Get off the cross...we need the wood!

in total respect I have not really disagreed with much the doc has said in this thread.

only disagreements are antiox not being discussed and most recently effectiveness of curc bioavailability n whatnot.

I have been cautioned NOT to post on antox as we have beaten it to death.

here is an antiox thread on shit I know about... lol nothing more.

I promise im not trying to be a dick n only posting relevant stuff to the discussion in a non offensive way.

total respect.

:)
 
Ugadawg, I appreciate you posting that and read that paper you posted. However, a number of people on the board (Dante included) take quality oral curcumin products and have seen improvements in bloodwork/ailments, so to say that oral curcumin products don't work is a bit of a stretch.



To say IM isn't better than oral admin is wrong


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Correct unless it has the third curuminoid I mentioned above,then it's amazingly bioavailable. No reason to keep stabbing with needles when not needed.
Signing off post,any other questions you can contact me through my website.

To the poster who asked about Dr. Clark, I think you can look at the fine quality of products sold by Toraxx and then figure it out why Dr. Clark is not a "public figure" as I am.
 
Correct unless it has the third curuminoid I mentioned above,then it's amazingly bioavailable. No reason to keep stabbing with needles when not needed.
Signing off post,any other questions you can contact me through my website.

To the poster who asked about Dr. Clark, I think you can look at the fine quality of products sold by Toraxx and then figure it out why Dr. Clark is not a "public figure" as I am.

I use a sponsor here Genotec. He makes "Fine quality of products" as well. 1000s of review as many can & will testify if needed to but that does not make Genotec a Doctor lol not that he claims to be anyway. Quality of ones line of products have got nothing with being a Doctor.

Dr Kim you are a registered qualified doctor in America, you have a website, your picture, your credentials right up there in black and white on the website for anyone to see. Correct ? That is you being transparent.

All the questions we raised earlier have not been answered so far.

We, the members of this board, will wait for Dr Clark to provide us with the information we have kindly requested. Many thanks

Many Thanks
 
Dr. Clark is not a doctor. It's just a title/name he uses for whatever reason.
 
Well I took a bath in curcumin again yesterday. Of course there's orange and yellow everywhere now, but it always comes out gradually.

Also added some cayenne, black pepper, menthol, and mustard. There's nothing like marinating yourself before a hot day in the sun. This stuff better work, and I better taste good!
 
LOL Cornelius!

Now THAT was a great post and I'm sure you are quite tasty now. Haha.
 
Correct unless it has the third curuminoid I mentioned above,then it's amazingly bioavailable. No reason to keep stabbing with needles when not needed.
Signing off post,any other questions you can contact me through my website.

To the poster who asked about Dr. Clark, I think you can look at the fine quality of products sold by Toraxx and then figure it out why Dr. Clark is not a "public figure" as I am.

How can we get access to studies or anything that shows higher bio-availability with this new Curcuminoid you are mentioning in your supplement? I'm not really one to ever just "take someones word for it" -- especially when it's not exactly dirt cheap.

I'll tell you what though -- if you are interested in having some members do a 30 day eval of this product I would *GLADLY* do so and post my findings.
 
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No need to take my word...pubmed.gov generally has everything.....let me reiterate that I am paying to be here and I'm truly sorry that I read so much and don't keep track of proof of everything I read...

There are only so many hours in a day...surely you can understand? When you see your doctor and she prescribes something do you ask her to show you a study or do you assume she is competant because you know her credentials and know she's a good doctor?

Not that you need to trust me just don't expect me to work for free here al the time-no one had gotten a paid consult and only ONE guy has purchased a product so it's not like I'm making money here like sponsors are pretty much thought to be doing. So if you don't like what I post simply DON"T READ IT.
 
When you see your doctor and she prescribes something do you ask her to show you a study or do you assume she is competant because you know her credentials and know she's a good doctor?

If she's talking to me on a public forum? Yep, I ask for the study.

Dr. Kim, we truly appreciate the info you post here, but by the nature of a forum like this, please don't expect any of us to not question anything you post because that's not how a forum works. PM is full of people who've been around this kind of information for several decades. We go deep into the subjects.

"Because I'm a doctor and I'm telling you" won't cut it here. Another reason is that we've had our share of bad doctors.

It's nothing personal, hope you understand.
 
Very nicely put

HI Allex,
You're a true gentleman and I TOTALLY understand and I am fully aware that most Drs are just plain idiots so I get it. I'm saying that it's fine if you guys question me,no problemo, but I'm scheduled dawn til dusk and jump on forums now just for fun and don't have exact refs in my head,I just know what I've read and am in discussion groups and on webinars with other Drs of my calibur who refer to the same subject matter.

I will do my best.....it's a hard balance here...sometimes I discuss something I think everyone should know like the cialis thing and someone yesterday asked if it has vasodilating properties "all over" like NO. And I just forgot to answer him. I would like to figure out who it was so I can explain but I'm getting seriously like 50 PM's and am on several threads so figuring out what you guys KNOW (and if I post I get flak becuase "oh come on everyone knows that" ) versus what I THINK you guys would know and then people ask for references. (LOL)

I'm definitely getting the we hate Drs treatment but that's oK because I love bodybuilders and as I said I will try my best. :love:
 
If she's talking to me on a public forum? Yep, I ask for the study.

Dr. Kim, we truly appreciate the info you post here, but by the nature of a forum like this, please don't expect any of us to not question anything you post because that's not how a forum works. PM is full of people who've been around this kind of information for several decades. We go deep into the subjects.

"Because I'm a doctor and I'm telling you" won't cut it here. Another reason is that we've had our share of bad doctors.

It's nothing personal, hope you understand.

Allex it is even deeper than that. Doctors have no credibility when it comes to bodybuilding - maybe even negative credibility for the majority. They and science need to earn it back. Most of the studies are deeply biased and flawed.

The top 'bros' can tell us much more about workout, supplements and how to experiment with our bodies than any doctors including how to stay healthy.

Doctors up until something like 20 years ago swore blind that steroids and testosterone did not even build muscle. Now we are suppose to take you at your word because you say trust me I'm a doctor lol?
 
No need to take my word...pubmed.gov generally has everything.....let me reiterate that I am paying to be here and I'm truly sorry that I read so much and don't keep track of proof of everything I read...

There are only so many hours in a day...surely you can understand? When you see your doctor and she prescribes something do you ask her to show you a study or do you assume she is competant because you know her credentials and know she's a good doctor?

Not that you need to trust me just don't expect me to work for free here al the time-no one had gotten a paid consult and only ONE guy has purchased a product so it's not like I'm making money here like sponsors are pretty much thought to be doing. So if you don't like what I post simply DON"T READ IT.

No idea if you're making decent money selling your supplements here yet -- but if you look around, legal or not, people who come here as sponsors usually have to give things away first to really get momentum going - that's why I asked. If you offer up some of your supplements as trials and have people here log their results -- if you really believe what you are selling is good, then it should pay for itself tenfold.
 
Please read what I just wrote Heroish

Of course not.....

BTW I have been using T and HGH on pts for 20 years, also heavy duty curcumin, antioxidants and lot things you BROS talk about.

As I just said you can check out anything I say on pubmed.gov

Over and out I have work to do/I am now unsubscribed so if anyone wants any personal advice ..just get me through my site.

Ohhh TY good idea about samples...am up for renewal and when I send out letters will do that...thanks,duh,why didn't I think of that.
 
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Of course not.....

BTW I have been using T and HGH on pts for 20 years, also heavy duty curcumin, antioxidants and lot things you BROS talk about.

As I just said you can check out anything I say on pubmed.gov

Over and out I have work to do/I am now unsubscribed so if anyone wants any personal advice ..just get me through my site.

Ohhh TY good idea about samples...am up for renewal and when I send out letters will do that...thanks,duh,why didn't I think of that.

It's really how people stand out here -- if you have a product and know it will work for an individual within a reasonable period of time (for instance someone giving out a bottle of GH knowing it would take months to see results is wasteful unless they are just looking for blood test levels), giving some samples is the way to start earning credible reviews and making some money -- it shows you stand behind your product to the point that you would offer it up to members of the community to try as you know it will keep them coming back.
 
You're funny-of course you must know this. Trust me I have read plenty more than you have,Dr. what is your name. Haha-good,funny laugh for me,thanks!

Edit (posted after my original post): I should have read through the thread before commenting, as I see you guys got the matter resolved)

Kim, I think LK3 was just trying to say that there are guys here that know about the connection between inflammation and health issues (cardiovascular health, etc).

It's actually been talked about quite a bit here, with tons of good information being presented by guys like Dante. Dante aside, myself, Stewie, and many other guys have also spoken about it, to varying degrees, many times.

The point is that there are a lot of guys/girls here that are indeed aware of this...and I would venture to say that a very large number of people here supplement specifically to help deal with it (curcumin, for example).

It may seem like this is just a "dumb bodybuilding board", but this sport...and all related sciences as they apply specifically to bodybuilding, have advanced so much in recent years its crazy. There are a LOT of very intelligent men/women that are connected to the bodybuilding industry in some way or another, and anything relevant to the community is usually shared (or the subject matter at least breached) soon after it becomes known in the medical/scientific community.

I do appreciate the info you provide, however.

Regarding you sticking around, you can continue to post here--answer questions, etc--as long as you don' promote your business either directly or indirectly. Anyone is free to post and contribute.
 
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