over 2 years on carnivore diet and various fasting lengths

[goal245]

Your statements are contradicting in itself. Back on this thread you tell people to stay clear of sugar, because it is the number 1 addiction, which is totally false. Nicotine is the number 1 addiction with over 1 billion users.

Now you are telling people in order to do fasting for 4 days, to take in a substance that is highly addicting. Yet, you are claiming that this is a healthy thing to do.

99% of people on this earth eat sugar daily, #1 addiction


I did not say to take anything when fasting. I am saying the mental clarity during a fast is comparable to the stimulants I mentioned.

 

[hawkmoon]

I've been in ketosis for 2+ years now, this is my average sugar / ketone levels. Am I starving?

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According to the evolutionary survival mechanisms hardwired into your DNA, yes, you are technically in a state of carbohydrate starvation.

The nuance you are missing is the disconnect between the modern world and evolutionary biology. You live in a modern world where food is plentiful and you are choosing to withhold carbohydrates.
Your body, however, does not know you have a refrigerator full of food. It cannot look outside your skin. It only reacts to chemical signals.

When you completely remove carbohydrates for two years, your internal biochemistry registers a prolonged absence of that nutrient.
It doesn't think, "Wow, what a great lifestyle choice." It thinks, "The environment is completely stripped of glucose, switch to the backup survival protocol permanently."

Your average blood sugar and ketone levels are not proof of a wellness upgrade; they are proof that your emergency backup system is functioning exactly as evolution intended to keep you alive in a depleted environment.

 

[hawkmoon]

99% of people on this earth eat sugar daily, #1 addiction

That's like saying we are addicted to water.
We could easily say you are addicted to fat.

I did not say to take anything when fasting. I am saying the mental clarity during a fast is comparable to the stimulants I mentioned.

Your mental clarity is heightened awareness courtesy of jacked norepinephrine and adrenaline so you can search for food. It isn't a performance upgrade.

 

[pesty4077]

99% of people on this earth eat sugar daily, #1 addiction


I did not say to take anything when fasting. I am saying the mental clarity during a fast is comparable to the stimulants I mentioned.

Brain fog happens when you don't eat because your brain is starved of its primary fuel: glucose. When blood sugar drops, your nervous system struggles to function optimally, leading to sluggish thinking and poor focus.Your brain relies on a steady, continuous stream of glucose to power everything from memory to attention. When you skip meals, your body undergoes several physical changes that impact your mental clarity.

 

[Gaintrain]

Brain fog happens when you don't eat because your brain is starved of its primary fuel: glucose. When blood sugar drops, your nervous system struggles to function optimally, leading to sluggish thinking and poor focus.Your brain relies on a steady, continuous stream of glucose to power everything from memory to attention. When you skip meals, your body undergoes several physical changes that impact your mental clarity.

idk about carnivore but when I run a keto diet my mental clarity and focus improves..

 

[Tomgrass]

The only benefits that I believe it provides is fat loss. That can be achieved easily by tracking calories and steps so I don't see the need to suffer for 72 hours. Losing fat imo is the easiest thing any human can do, its easier than getting out of bed in the morning lol. I don't believe in the body cleaning personally.

Looking by amount of fatsos on this planet it seems like an ultra hard task …

 

[pesty4077]

idk about carnivore but when I run a keto diet my mental clarity and focus improves..

Not those short fasts he is talking about.

 

[Jefe]

If this “most primal hunting state” is the result of fasting, I want nothing to do with it. Definitely not good to see a brain deprived like this.

The gh boost had me curious but Hawkmoon shut that shit down really quick.

Tip of the hat, sir.

 

[hawkmoon]

If this “most primal hunting state” is the result of fasting, I want nothing to do with it. Definitely not good to see a brain deprived like this.

The gh boost had me curious but Hawkmoon shut that shit down really quick.

Tip of the hat, sir.

This is exactly why I take the time.

Often the little bit of information out of context "sounds good" and most will not look further, because of time, interest, whatever.
But the truth is more nuanced. Nuance is a victim of the modern age where people get their information in sub 30-second bites.

 

[qbkilla]

What are you afraid of that would make you think this is self punishment? Are you afraid of hunger, afraid of shrinking or what is it that makes you feel like it is punishment? Like what do you think the worst possible thing will be if you simply do not eat for 72 hours?

Going through it would show you that it is actually not scary and is something you would enjoy and look forward to

There's no fear, just denying yourself something you enjoy and makes you feel good...id want to 100 percent know id benefit from it.

If someone says im not going to skip sleep for 3 days...its not because they fear something...its because sleep is enjoyable and makes us feel good.

If someone walks around lean and healthy..365 days a year...lean i mean looking damn good..not 12% wirh water...and feels good...that is all that matters...whatever method they got there shouldn't be questioned.

But if 2 people achieve this..lean/ripped and healthy all day evey day...and one is doing 72 hour fasts and the other gets to eat good food every day...im going to say the dude that doesn't need such extreme messes has the better method in my book.

 

[qbkilla]

Looking by amount of fatsos on this planet it seems like an ultra hard task …

Id say anyone who is fat or not lean as they want...they choose to look that way..Doesn’t make it hard. A similar situation would be looking at how many people don't have a job. Many are unemployed buy getting a job is incredibly easy at the same time.

 

[Tomgrass]

It is easy to get lean but awful a lot of people just cant do it. You take away their chocolates and they cant function cause they need to have their treats- otherwise grumpy moody etc. I feel really good on lower carb side , for me like a sweet spot is 100 gram, no drop in energy and results are almost the same as keto. I still can have nuts all veggies and a bit of fruit a day. On training day still can put 20 carbs intra and not worry. For sure my skin hair nails cognition is much better due to higher fat content in my diet. Dont need to go to extreme to get benefits and zero cons.

 

[specter]

Looking by amount of fatsos on this planet it seems like an ultra hard task …

There alot of things to factor in, like foods made to get you "addicted" like what McD did going sofar as makin the hamburger so that you dont even have to chew ot to eat it, years of studying addiction and how to get humans addicted, makin it cheap and easy to get etc.. its such a big subject and thats why i laugh when people make it all about being "hardcore" because there is so much more at play here.

 

[buck]

You don't suffer though, mental energy, clarity and 0 appetite equivalent to being on a good dose of Adderall or caffeine + nicotine. Any time works gets crazy or I have other high stress in life, need to be very productive I fast. It is like being on strong stimulants.

I deal with stress with peace quiet and meditation. You should try it. It has worked great for millions(at least) over the centuries. Starts working within minutes.

 

[FasciaSt]

Carnivore is a cult, I get a better back and forth discussion with vegans than I ever have with Carnivore.

I've wondered if their lack of carbs for glucose for the brain also effects their ability to think clearly, hence the behavior and arguments.

 

[gauge22-v2]

99% of people on this earth eat sugar daily, #1 addiction


I did not say to take anything when fasting. I am saying the mental clarity during a fast is comparable to the stimulants I mentioned.

I would wager 99.9% of the population ingests water on a daily basis, it does not make it an addiction.

Definition of addiction is not aligned with ingesting sugar.

 

[Jeffo]

I think this has turned into an absurd and pointless discussion.

goal245 shared his experience with the carnivore diet and extended fasting.

Hawkmoon countered by saying that fasting is starvation, and therefore can leads to muscle catabolism.

The carnivore diet can be useful for bodybuilding, just like the ketogenic diet, just like a high-carb diet. Badboy has experimented with the sugar diet, but for years he has used a keto diet even though almost everyone claims you need carbs to build massive muscle mass as a pro bodybuilder.

In any case, goal245 never said that the carnivore diet was the best option if you want to be a bodybuilder with massive muscle mass.

Regarding fasting, you won’t lose muscle mass if you fast for 72 hours, provided that:

1. You aren’t at a body fat close to contest shape —that is, if you’re at 10–12%, which is recommended or habitual during the off-season.

2. You have trained and followed your usual diet for 3–4 days before starting the fasting period. For example: you train on Wednesday your last train, then rest and continue eating your usual diet until Sunday, and fast from Monday.

If you train out and break down muscle and then fast, you’re likely to lose muscle mass. But if you do what I say and are also a on gear athlete, thinking you’re going to lose muscle mass it could say that you're being overly paranoid and not thinking rationally.

The benefits of fasting are backed by centuries of practice by countless sages and ascetics throughout history. Of course, these people weren’t concerned with building muscle mass, but we should still recognize the importance of such fasting, just as you've discussed the importance of meditation here.

Fasting is not an effective method for losing fat, and I don’t think goal245 ever claimed it was—correct me if I’m wrong. He’s recommending fasting for other reasons, but it’s certainly good for your health to give your digestive system a break.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

I think this has turned into an absurd and pointless discussion.

goal245 shared his experience with the carnivore diet and extended fasting.

Hawkmoon countered by saying that fasting is starvation, and therefore can leads to muscle catabolism.

The carnivore diet can be useful for bodybuilding, just like the ketogenic diet, just like a high-carb diet. Badboy has experimented with the sugar diet, but for years he has used a keto diet even though almost everyone claims you need carbs to build massive muscle mass as a pro bodybuilder.

In any case, goal245 never said that the carnivore diet was the best option if you want to be a bodybuilder with massive muscle mass.

Regarding fasting, you won’t lose muscle mass if you fast for 72 hours, provided that:

1. You aren’t at a body fat close to contest shape —that is, if you’re at 10–12%, which is recommended or habitual during the off-season.

2. You have trained and followed your usual diet for 3–4 days before starting the fasting period. For example: you train on Wednesday your last train, then rest and continue eating your usual diet until Sunday, and fast from Monday.

If you train out and break down muscle and then fast, you’re likely to lose muscle mass. But if you do what I say and are also a on gear athlete, thinking you’re going to lose muscle mass it could say that you're being overly paranoid and not thinking rationally.

The benefits of fasting are backed by centuries of practice by countless sages and ascetics throughout history. Of course, these people weren’t concerned with building muscle mass, but we should still recognize the importance of such fasting, just as you've discussed the importance of meditation here.

Fasting is not an effective method for losing fat, and I don’t think goal245 ever claimed it was—correct me if I’m wrong. He’s recommending fasting for other reasons, but it’s certainly good for your health to give your digestive system a break.

What’s absurd is that THIS is your first post

Not the new members thread
Not the rules thread
Not even an introduction

We have enough moderators. Get a job

 

[pesty4077]

What’s absurd is that THIS is your first post

Not the new members thread
Not the rules thread
Not even an introduction

We have enough moderators. Get a job

Can always tell a former banned member. They give themselves away.

 

[Jeffo]

Hawkmoon, who is one of the most respected users, although he presented convincing arguments about how fasting works, for some reason wasn't acknowledging that fasting can be applied in the right context.

I don’t know who goal245 is, but I see he’s passionate about his diet. He came to share his experience and received too much criticism from people who have never tried either the carnivore diet or fasting. What’s the reason for that?

People criticized the sugar diet, and then half the forum was trying that diet. For a bodybuilder, it makes more sense to eat meat than honey, bananas, or sweets, so why is the carnivore diet criticized?

And fasting is certainly fully compatible with being a professional bodybuilder; many athletes take health breaks, and during that time, it can be done without any problems or fear of a drop in performance.

Yes, I’m a long-time user; you can delete my account if you wish.