over 2 years on carnivore diet and various fasting lengths

[goal245]

I think fasting gives a lot of benefit too, I bet alot of the positive come from fasting, 96 hrs is the sweet spot, I try to do every 2 months or so

 

[MajinBoo]

When you say bodybuilding, do you mean competitive bodybuilding like getting on the O stage in open bodybuilding or bodybuilding as in getting pretty big and ripped, possibly being successful in categories other than the open.

Because now I think you could be very competitive with 0 carbs (once body adapts), but Olympia level would need carbs/insulin i think


Everything on Blood work is much better than when bodybuilding, nothing out of line other than cholesterol high as expected, cardiovascular - I've been racing mountain bikes and my RHR has been in the low 40s when in race shape. big improvement from 90's resting heart rate during bodybuilding. I do need to get a heart scan etc done

I mean bodybuilding lifestyle in general. If you love it, even when stepping out from competitive or progression goals, you would still lift some weight. First for the passion, second for the longevity. Strength is directly correlated with healthy aging.

On the being very competitive with 0 carbs I don't agree. Show me who gained size following that approach. Even for endurance sports as you are doing now, you would be much better relying in carbohydrates and balanced diet than carnivore diet. Carnivore diet can be transition phase to address some issues but, in my opinion, has no advantages from a balanced diet on a long term healthy approach. You just need to understand how human body energy systems work to understand that.

 

[comedycentral]

I think fasting gives a lot of benefit too, I bet alot of the positive come from fasting, 96 hrs is the sweet spot, I try to do every 2 months or so

Would you give a days eating example and amounts please. Thanks. I find it interesting and commend you for happily moving on from bodybuilding into other endeavours. I know this is a BB forum but interesting when people change direction. I’m far more bodyweight based training now. A mix of injuries and boredom for weights moved me more in this direction and enjoy feeling more athletic.

 

[Tomgrass]

If you did bodybuilding in a past i would assume you loved workout? Why did you stop? I could never stop and there were plenty of times when i was not looking for any gains- just exercise for the love for it. You dont have to take x amount of gear to bodybuild, even 100 mg of trt and weights are better then no training at all. Did you lost the fun out of it? Cause this is what it seems to me.

 

[tommyguns2]

Rob Goodwin has a podcast about carnivore diet bodybuilding. I think even he has abandoned complete carnivore and now takes in about 30% of his calories from carbs.

I think it's a great elimination diet to clean things out. I do agree that all the simple sugars we ingest are a net negative, but taking in simple sugars around training and using them intelligently to fuel aggressive workouts seems fine. Can you use fat for that? Yes, but it's a less efficient process. I wouldn't be opposed to taking in carbs only around the workout (pre/intra/post), but if you are using good carbs, I think it's a better plan.

The carnivore diet allows one to stop thinking about total calories and just eat until satisfied, which happens sooner with protein and fat. Probably not a cheap way to eat.

Do you take a statin for your cholesterol or are you one of those guys that don't think LDL/HDL numbers matter?

 

[madg]

Balanced diet > all

And since you want talk health

Mediterranean diet > all for health

 

[King-kong2]

Don’t knock it until you tried it. I use carnivore during cuts. Last time I lost 33 lbs in two weeks. Came off easy as it was followed by a bulk. So freshly gained weight. If there was any muscle loss I sure didn’t see it. Protein was higher due to diet. So that helps.

I’m doing another month or so of it. And lost ten last week. 195 now and gonna go down to 185. I’m already seeing my veins across chest as I get leaner. 5’10”. But turning 58 and I swear I’m shrinking in height.

I tried cutting calories many times immensely and had no luck.
As long as you stay in ketosis you will lose weight and be able to keep it off.

Calories stay up on carnivore. So does protein. Only cutting carbs. As long as you keep lifting the fat will burn off. And for many the leaner they get the bigger they look.

 

[comedycentral]

Don’t knock it until you tried it. I use carnivore during cuts. Last time I lost 33 lbs in two weeks. Came off easy as it was followed by a bulk. So freshly gained weight. If there was any muscle loss I sure didn’t see it. Protein was higher due to diet. So that helps.

I’m doing another month or so of it. And lost ten last week. 195 now and gonna go down to 185. I’m already seeing my veins across chest as I get leaner. 5’10”. But turning 58 and I swear I’m shrinking in height.

I tried cutting calories many times immensely and had no luck.
As long as you stay in ketosis you will lose weight and be able to keep it off.

Calories stay up on carnivore. So does protein. Only cutting carbs. As long as you keep lifting the fat will burn off. And for many the leaner they get the bigger they look.

Did you find it helped with any aches and pains at all? I’m 50 and banged up

 

[Tomgrass]

Balanced diet > all

And since you want talk health

Mediterranean diet > all for health

After years of doing keto , psmf , very high carb ultra low fat i am more inclined to moderation in everything 300 carbs 250 protein 100 fats is my sweet spot now, making sure that i eat plenty of fruits , whole eggs sardines virgin oil etc. There is nothing better for health.

 

[goal245]

Balanced diet > all

And since you want talk health

Mediterranean diet > all for health

"balanced diet"

you don't need sugar and other stuff you cannot digest to be balanced


I did start off on a keto / Mediterranean type diet but slowly realized the non carnivore items were empty filler. I felt great on Mediterranean type diet but cutting out the plants took it to the next level.

 

[goal245]

After years of doing keto , psmf , very high carb ultra low fat i am more inclined to moderation in everything 300 carbs 250 protein 100 fats is my sweet spot now, making sure that i eat plenty of fruits , whole eggs sardines virgin oil etc. There is nothing better for health.

The cool thing about carnivore is you don't need to count calories, don't have to count macros, don't have to weigh food. You simply eat until satisfied and look and feel great. 0 cravings, you truly break free from any cravings

 

[GrowthKing1]

Lmfao get out of here with that BS. We are bodybuilders around here

 

[goal245]

I do agree that all the simple sugars we ingest are a net negative, but taking in simple sugars around training and using them intelligently to fuel aggressive workouts seems fine. Can you use fat for that? Yes, but it's a less efficient process. I wouldn't be opposed to taking in carbs only around the workout (pre/intra/post), but if you are using good carbs, I think it's a better plan.

The carnivore diet allows one to stop thinking about total calories and just eat until satisfied, which happens sooner with protein and fat. Probably not a cheap way to eat.

Do you take a statin for your cholesterol or are you one of those guys that don't think LDL/HDL numbers matter?

There is a long adjustment period , id say 9 months to a year before athletic performance on carnivore gets back up to the same level as with carbs. Took me about 9 months to stop feeling flat and to stop bonking an hour into a mountain bike ride.

When I was eating carbs and doing a 3-4 hour bike ride, I would need to eat around 50 grams sugar per hour to fuel the ride and a big meal before the ride.

now I can do a ride like this on an empty stomach with 0 performance loss, did take 9 months to get to that point though

 

[goal245]

If you did bodybuilding in a past i would assume you loved workout? Why did you stop? I could never stop and there were plenty of times when i was not looking for any gains- just exercise for the love for it. You dont have to take x amount of gear to bodybuild, even 100 mg of trt and weights are better then no training at all. Did you lost the fun out of it? Cause this is what it seems to me.

I still love bodybuilding, I bike ride now, have young kids etc. Once kids get older I'm sure we will go back to the gym.

I would love to lose 40 lbs to be in the 160s to be more competive at bike racing but I doubt that will happen, I think all the gh caused too much permanent muscle gains. I'm 205 but people guess I'm 235-240. I still get comments from strangers of wow you must work out a lot

 

[goal245]

Do you take a statin for your cholesterol or are you one of those guys that don't think LDL/HDL numbers matter?

Statin is about the worst thing you can do for your health.

My total cholesterol is 240 with good ratios, no concerns there. Plenty of studies now showing high cholesterol may not be as bad as once though. sugar is the enemy

 

[goal245]

Lmfao get out of here with that BS. We are bodybuilders around here

you don't need sugar and pop tarts to bodybuild

 

[goal245]

You will feel flat going keto or carnivore and the adjustment period is pretty long before you feel as full as when eating carbs, for me this took 9 months. Now i constantly feel full, never flat even after fasting. Great pumps when lifting heavy stuff at work

 

[goal245]

The carnivore diet allows one to stop thinking about total calories and just eat until satisfied, which happens sooner with protein and fat. Probably not a cheap way to eat.

I was probably eating more meat during bodybuilding, it is definitely cheaper compared to my bulking days.

Typical day:

6 eggs, bacon, cheese

2lbs - 3lbs fatty beef. Ribeye or 70/30 ground beef.


I started off eating 3-4 times per day but now eat twice most days

 

[goal245]

Haven't farted in 2 years, compared to farting every 2 hours on other diets

 

[TheOtherOne55]

Don’t knock it until you tried it. I use carnivore during cuts. Last time I lost 33 lbs in two weeks. Came off easy as it was followed by a bulk. So freshly gained weight. If there was any muscle loss I sure didn’t see it. Protein was higher due to diet. So that helps.

You lost 33lbs in 2 weeks....and if there was muscle loss, you "didnt see it"? lol i'm sorry, but thats not how the body works.

@goal245 good for you and your transition out of the BBing game. I'm glad you found a new way of eating you enjoy and can maintain. Lots of guys cant find it. As far as BBing goes, you're throwing out quiiite some insane numbers lol got any pics of you when you were big?