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First off, yes I used the search function and got a lot of good stuff, I just wanted to ask more specific questions. I see Phil Hernon doesn't like it and a lot his clients saying more improvement in shoulders with working from him.
My trainer, not alex, Alex is my dietian and cardio guy, says they are irrelevant. I have someone at the gym that works with me one on one.
All these guys say are bench press, dips, overhead press, chins, rows, squats, and deads on most forums. You'll grow. He says overhead presses aer just working an area you've already stressed far, far too much and the development from that exercise provides are actually counterproductive.
He has me doing a lot of wide grip upright rows and side lateral raises. What's your take on this?
Can yuo get big shoulders WITHOUT presses. And just sticking to Side raises in all forms; seated side, incline seated, standing side, leaning over side. And how do you progress in heavier weight for an isolation movement like that compared to benching or rowing which is easier to up the weight?
My trainer, not alex, Alex is my dietian and cardio guy, says they are irrelevant. I have someone at the gym that works with me one on one.
All these guys say are bench press, dips, overhead press, chins, rows, squats, and deads on most forums. You'll grow. He says overhead presses aer just working an area you've already stressed far, far too much and the development from that exercise provides are actually counterproductive.
He has me doing a lot of wide grip upright rows and side lateral raises. What's your take on this?
Can yuo get big shoulders WITHOUT presses. And just sticking to Side raises in all forms; seated side, incline seated, standing side, leaning over side. And how do you progress in heavier weight for an isolation movement like that compared to benching or rowing which is easier to up the weight?
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