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Parenabol/EQ and "Gurus"

 
i dont like and wont use EQ cuz makes blood sludge and i got bp issues (and anxiety) already....
i have always thought there were better things. used it 2x. was alright. but if i am gonna hav sides from something may as well be tren. better bang for the buck/mg
-F
 
Care to elaborate more on this?

Cage
Unless you have hemochromocytosis (iron overload), dumping blood quicker than your body can assimilate sufficient amounts of iron, this in turn can set the stage for iron deficiency. Either with or without anemia. We lose a decent amount of trace minerals such as iron and zinc when we phlebotomize, being that a majority of these trace minerals are in circulation. There's tissue bound to a lesser degree.

Hypothetically speaking. If by chance your zinc status is greater than your iron status, if there's not enough iron to be sufficiently synthesized into reticulocytes (immature red blood cells) and there's abundant zinc in circulation, this can lead to ZPP (zinc protoporphyrin). This subsequently leads to faulty hemoglobin molecules (deoxyhemoglobin and carboxyhemoglobin-reduced tissue oxygenation) as the incorporation of zinc in red blood cells cannot bind to oxygen, nor transfer it appropriately. The longer you're iron deficient, the more this will stimulate erythropoietin, further producing erythropoiesis (red blood cells) by-way of hypoxia inducible factors, therefore continue to see erythrocytosis (elevated red blood cells) in the presence of iron deficiency. This becomes a vicious cycle.

I don't to distract this thread away from its original topic. Which happens more often than not, unfortunately.

If you'd like to open a new thread on the detriments of over-phlebotomizing. I'm sure we could attract some attention to that, although it's been discussed several times many times in the past.
 
When you ask people to defend their position and they cannot then everything they express should be considered suspect. This is common sense, every person here with any measure of intellect i.e you're not retarded i.e IQ above 100 will understand this. They are attempting to portray us, e.g.Victor Black, as people who cannot see his complete ignorance. Victor Black is a broke individual at the age of 53 who cannot support his position, despite his claims, and is seeking to profit from a dependency on people's ignorance.

Rex.

Rex is this a rant because y’all exchanged words?

I don’t think many guys on here support these social media “gurus”. Most on here support the guys in the trenches...John meadows, Dusty, Jordan Peters, of course Scott, Dante....a long list.

We have quite a few threads on our thoughts of these new guys which most of us deem “retards” to state nicely
 
I don't give more credence to Bostin over Shelby :D Bostin is an idiot but to me he is an honest idiot and I don't mind him at all. I wouldn't go to him for advice regarding bodybuilding (or anything in life) but I don't think he is a bad person (quite the opposite). I just find some people's perceptions of this industry very interesting and they are very misinformed when it comes to drugs. I have nothing bad to say about Shelby either. He keeps himself to himself and does a great job coaching people to win. I didn't even know who Broderick was until TOO55 posted a video about him and I found it very entertaining. I have never seen anything else from the guy so I couldn't tell you if I am a fan or not but he is a character. So you are definitely off about some of my views but I totally understand given what I posted in that 1 thread awhile back.

We are good. I am not a mod so I could never ban you but I like you so why would I even if I had that power on a forum. Even if you were bad to me (you haven't been) I wouldn't ban you. I only dislike bullshitters and you are an open book who has lived a very interesting life so we would probably get on great in real life. This forum needs more characters like yourself. I like your posts even if they are very manic at times. I haven't a clue who Victor Black is. On with the thread.
 
Unless you have hemochromatosis (iron overload), dumping blood quicker than your body can assimilate sufficient amounts of iron, this in turn can set the stage for iron deficiency. Either with or without anemia. We lose a decent amount of trace minerals such as iron and zinc when we phlebotomize, being that a majority of these trace minerals are in circulation. There's tissue bound to a lesser degree.

Hypothetically speaking. If by chance your zinc status is greater than your iron status, if there's not enough iron to be sufficiently synthesized into reticulocytes (immature red blood cells) and there's abundant zinc in circulation, this can lead to ZPP (zinc protoporphyrin). This subsequently leads to faulty hemoglobin molecules (deoxyhemoglobin and carboxyhemoglobin-reduced tissue oxygenation) as the incorporation of zinc in red blood cells cannot bind to oxygen, nor transfer it appropriately. The longer you're iron deficient, the more this will stimulate erythropoietin, further producing erythropoiesis (red blood cells) by-way of hypoxia inducible factors, therefore continue to see erythrocytosis (elevated red blood cells) in the presence of iron deficiency. This becomes a vicious cycle.

I don't want to distract this thread away from its original topic. Which happens more often than not, unfortunately.

If you'd like to open a new thread on the detriments of over-phlebotomizing. I'm sure we could attract some attention to that, although it's been discussed several times many times in the past.

Late edit bold: typo and add-in.
 
All i know is... Rex is a smart mofo..
 
Rex,

Please post more often.

Thank you.

Kind regards,

Swifto
 
bumping for Rex to come back to this thread (hopefully)...
 
I recently had a discussion with one of these new self-proclaimed "gurus" regarding his exclusion of EQ while allowing trenbolone. I haven't been here since I got kicked off for hurting Pesty's feelings but we're going to let that go. No harm was intended on my part. You guys have probably noticed as I have the rise of these gurus lately.

I come from a time where we didn't have to pay each other to help each other. Samir, Lee Labrada, Mike Christian (did my 1st precontest cycle), Rich Gaspari (1st time I ever did Donkey calf raises was on his back), John Defendis (Mr Intensity or Insanity, disciple of Steve Michalik literally one of the craziest/most hardcore bodybuilders in history, we'd do 70 sets for back and 40 sets for triceps, I trained with him for his pro debut at the NOC), Casey Viator (both from LA met him @ the Ms Galaxy in Cancun circa 1996 where Torrie Wilson WWE/dated Arod won, I banged her at Joe Bucci's hotel in Venice Beach when she was in town from Boise at a Ms Galaxy camp and I was in L.A. for a photo shoot, I remained close friends with Casey until his death in 2013), Tom Platz (told me to take 200mg deca every day), Mike Mattarazzo, Matt Mendenhall, Harry Dodich, Mike Ergas (former cheerleader at my alma mater LSU Geaux Tigers! trained with him at Gold's Venice), Dorian, Titus (refer to the Titus thread on this), Don Long, Phil Hernon, Greg Comeaux, Dan Duchaine (met him at the last Leper colony on the US mainland, refer to that thread), Dom Smith (Crazee Wear owner this my association w/ Mike Christian). These are the major ones who have given me their time freely, I'm sure I have forgotten many. My parents paid for Samir's seminar when I was 13 in 1984 before his defense of the Mr O which he lost to Haney in 1984. Also where I met Labrada, he had just won the Jr Nationals. Samir was married to Lee's sister thus the association. They thought I was 18, I always looked old for my age then and gave me drug recommendations and I trained back with them, Samir did bent rows with 405 at about 215#, I had never seen that. My parents paid for the Gaspari seminar in 1985, I was 15, he had just turned pro in 1984. I paid for Dorian's seminar in New Orleans, the only out of pocket expense I can remember spending for in-person bodybuilding info. I had bought many books though of course. Dr. Scott Stevenson aka Homnouclus here (sp?) has the best books I have ever read on the subject, he has never said anything stupid or unproven. I was on Lou Zwick's program on ESPN. I was doing chins one day starting my back workout and the manager came and said ESPN is on the phone for you. I won the teen and open overall at the NPC LA in 1989 at 18 years old

I don't take people's money for my knowledge of bodybuilding. I give it freely as others have done for me. If you take the time to write a book you deserve to be compensated, I paid for 3 old school seminars, other than that I have not spent a dime on "coaches" or "gurus." I am a licensed healthcare professional now, having spent the last 17 years in pharmaceutical research after nearly 10 years in ICU.

Bringing me to the point of the post. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there must be at least a couple of dozen people here who have more knowledge, that I would trust as a novice if I had to pay vs these fools I have seen. Jeff who used to have the Nasser avatar, Stewie, Bboy, Lats, Knight, nothuman, Big A, Big Dave, etc, etc, etc. I probably shouldn't get into naming names because I will inevitably leave a lot of people off and someone will be butt hurt and that is not my intent. Suffice to say there are a lot of extremely knowledgable individuals here who actually know what they're talking about almost always who I have a tremendous amount of respect for tho we may have disagreed on certain specific marginal issues from time to time.

Leo Rex? Where did he get that last name from anyway? 1k a month this fool will charge you. The completely incompetent UK health service gave him money for a study in grad school and he says he worked for them This fat fuck Broderick? Bostin Loyd? I know Elvia seems to be a fan of both, giving credence to Bostin over Shelby, saying "I really like Broderick" which makes me seriously question his judgment sometimes. But I like Elvia and if this hurts his feelings I don't think he'll ban me over it because he has some measure of testicular fortitude. Tony Huge? I wish Casey was still around so I could tell this to him and give you guys his response. Maybe some of you would wake up as to how many men have become total bitches, as to how many men are beta males posing as alpha males to try to earn some money.

This leads me to the "silverback of our tribe" who is such a no nut little bitch that he has to ban me on IG for asking simple questions. Some of you morons have paid this person as much $70 for half an hour. He has zero medical training. He is an engineer by trade (supposedly) so he approaches this as an engineer but doesn't have the mental acuity to understand that this type of thinking is inapplicable to humans. He is apparently not wealthy or accomplished or he wouldn't be begging for your money for "his time." I have made my money through legitimate work and investments. I have no skin in this game financially. You all know this. I do not promote myself or seek to profit. I have 4 houses, 20 BTC and significant stock contributions. I am a multi-millionaire, I don't say this to brag or boast I am not stupid, I realize what I've accomplished financially is marginal at best. I'm literally nothing compared to someone like BigA or my good friend of 20+ years now Aaron Singerman. I say this only to disparage any notion that this has anything to do with money for me. I'm not begging you to join to my site for $15/month or charging you $70/30 minutes despite my obviously superior knowledge and qualifications. And I've said there are a lot guys here just like me so I have no delusions of being unique.

The great moronic Silverback's contention is that EQ should not be used because it failed human testing but tren is acceptable. When I first asked him about this he said he could provide at least 10 studies that proved that EQ failed human trials. He then sent me this, https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.5694/j.1326-5377.1970.tb63287.x

This study clearly proves that Parenabol was approved for human use. No drug is given a name brand until is marketed. I asked him to provide any other medication that was marketed as a brand name without approval. Of course, he can't do any of this, he further said that the study he provided showed "liver stress" which if you read it it's abundantly clear he can't even reference his own "evidence" correctly. I asked him for human studies on tren ace which he allows. Of course, there are none as only tren hex was ever approved for human use and even if you could find them online they'd be in French which I guarantee this ignorant Aussie fuck couldn't read if his life depended on it. I said I'm not the one who says tren ace is fine but boldenone undec is not, you are. You're asking me to prove your wrong opinion. So by now, I'm starting to realize that this person is a typical self-proclaimed guru aka total moron and I've just wasted my time by interacting. In response, he mentioned something about trademarks before blocking me. This is my business, a pharm company will not spend time to preserve a trademark that no one else wants. This is common sense. He could not provide any human studies on trenbolone or EQ to support his position despite the claims that he could produce 10.

The "Silverback of our tribe" is right on many things that we have already identified many times for years on this board and none of us are seeking to profit. Is there any person on Earth besides this moronic person who promotes healthy drug use and proposes that EQ is more dangerous/has a greater incidence of adverse events than trenbolone? You may like or not like EQ but no one literally will contend that it is more dangerous than tren.

Do not give your money to fools like this. Victor Black fuckstick MasterClass you know who I'm talking about. Broken up some to d/t Jeff's recommendation on my last post. Any other suggestions will be well received.

Rex.
OK but tell me how you really feel👂
 
So I looked at this Silverback's(lol) Insta posts and I have a question. I don't know if it has been discussed before here. He says something which I've seen others mention as well, and it's that tren isn't very androgenic, nor anabolic either, compared to testosterone. Now, everyone assumes tren is very, very androgenic due to the strong psychothropic effects, the fact that it increases drive, makes you angry and aggressive. The silverback thinks the neural effects have to do with tren's antagonism of cortisol instead. I have speculated before that the psych effects might have something to do with cortisol and I kind of asked if adding some hydrocortisone might help the burned out and tired feeling tren can give after a while.

He has some some textbook references saying tren isn't very androgenic. Also that Parabolan was used on women. The plates and dates Derek fella said something about tren not being extremely androgenic but I've seen very little of his stuff so I don't know how much he has discussed this. Then I also hear how even some bikini chicks (!) are using tren nowadays, but I don't really know any female juicers intimately.

Any opinions?
 
So I looked at this Silverback's(lol) Insta posts and I have a question. I don't know if it has been discussed before here. He says something which I've seen others mention as well, and it's that tren isn't very androgenic, nor anabolic either, compared to testosterone. Now, everyone assumes tren is very, very androgenic due to the strong psychothropic effects, the fact that it increases drive, makes you angry and aggressive. The silverback thinks the neural effects have to do with tren's antagonism of cortisol instead. I have speculated before that the psych effects might have something to do with cortisol and I kind of asked if adding some hydrocortisone might help the burned out and tired feeling tren can give after a while.

He has some some textbook references saying tren isn't very androgenic. Also that Parabolan was used on women. The plates and dates Derek fella said something about tren not being extremely androgenic but I've seen very little of his stuff so I don't know how much he has discussed this. Then I also hear how even some bikini chicks (!) are using tren nowadays, but I don't really know any female juicers intimately.

Any opinions?
He says tren is a SARM
 
Well nevermind, I can't find the post now where he refers to tren as a sarm

Well, it depends on what you mean by the term.
I mean we have all seen this:

17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone) exhibits tissue selective anabolic activity: effects on muscle, bone, adiposity, hemoglobin, and prostate​

Joshua F Yarrow et al. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2011 Apr.
Free PMC article

Abstract​

Selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) now under development can protect against muscle and bone loss without causing prostate growth or polycythemia. 17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone), a potent testosterone analog, may have SARM-like actions because, unlike testosterone, trenbolone does not undergo tissue-specific 5α-reduction to form more potent androgens.

But I'm more curious about what the science minded here think about tren's androgenicity.
 
I agreed with a majority of the post,but scratched my head a bit when it seemed like you were calling out people that don't care about anyone else and use them for money,then go to talk about how great your 20 year best friend aaron singerman is lol

Bet he's a fan of covid,it's delaying his prison sentencing.
 
He says tren is a SARM
A steroidal sarm yes. Technically correct IMO. Heck Yk-11 is based on the 19-nor "backbone" so really it too should be considered a steroidal sarm as well. Other than testosterone and dht all the old school AAS were technically steroidal sarms(with wildly varying levels of success in the selectivity department of course.)
 
Thank you for your interest Gents

Trenbolone is a Steroidal Sarms, this is beyond dispute we have dozens of proof points here.. dozens

Given the horrid state of Educational Content online I am extremely emphatic re " skepticism"

I get it I do, in my mid 50's I have seen it all, and the standard is dog turd.. 100% agree

In the spirit of fair play how about this

Take some time to review for yourself some of the abundance of free content I put out, rather than rely on BillybigBoy36's review

I always provide clinical evidence to support my claims

I also pair that with 35 years of experience.. but you can always ask for clinical evidence by all means

Victor Black






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