PCT after 5 months being on

[PLer1290]

I have been on for about 5 months and am going to try to come off. Right now I am on 500mg test and 300mg EQ per week. I'm thinking I will taper down to 125mg test per week within a time period of 4-5 weeks. In the last 4 weeks I will run HCG 500iu 2x/week. After my last 125mg shot of test, I will wait 2 weeks then do an IM shot of 100mcg triptorelin and start clomid/nolva or clomid/torem for 5-6 weeks. I will also start D-aspartic acid the day after my last shot of test.

Does this protocol sound like it will work? Does anyone think anything else would be better?

 

[Ehren]

Did you use an AI on cycle?

JMO, I'd throw in an AI a week before HcG and run it all the way (in lower doses) thru PCT.

Testicular aromatase from HcG + 5 months of gear converting in some part to Estrogen+ E2 from Trip, is gonna leave you in a high-estrogen state post cycle.

Add a GnRH to that (Trip) which is going to spike LH/FSH, (so a flood of Test/Estrogen) and you'll be shut down again in no time from negative feedback from the E2 = lost gains and shrunken testes. (So, you'd re-start from the Trip but possibly shut down again from the E2).

Bloodwork would help to see where you are in regard to E2.

 

[PLer1290]

Did you use an AI on cycle?

JMO, I'd throw in an AI a week before HcG and run it all the way (in lower doses) thru PCT.

Testicular aromatase from HcG + 5 months of gear converting in some part to Estrogen+ E2 from Trip, is gonna leave you in a high-estrogen state post cycle.

Add a GnRH to that (Trip) which is going to spike LH/FSH, (so a flood of Test/Estrogen) and you'll be shut down again in no time from negative feedback from the E2 = lost gains and shrunken testes. (So, you'd re-start from the Trip but possibly shut down again from the E2).

Bloodwork would help to see where you are in regard to E2.

I used aromasin periodically throughout the cycle but it was never necessary. I'm not prone to gyno at all apparently.

So you're saying I should run an AI throughout the rest of my cycle and PCT and past PCT?

 

[Stewie]

Even though your not prone to gyno, doesn't necessarily mean you don't have high bound Estrodiol/ Estrogen levels.
The AI should be used to suppress/eliminate bound Estrodiol, as Estrogen is a stronger suppressor on HTPA.
As Ehren mentioned high levels of intratesticlar testosterone that may aromataize or desensitizing the leydigs hormone making an HTPA reboot unsuccessful.

DAA, HCG, clomid will raise Estro comprising natural testosterone production.
You could try Aromasin solo, as theres no rebound effect and see through blood work if you return to homeostasis.
Just a thought?

I used aromasin periodically throughout the cycle but it was never necessary. I'm not prone to gyno at all apparently.

So you're saying I should run an AI throughout the rest of my cycle and PCT and past PCT?

 

[PLer1290]

Even though your not prone to gyno, doesn't necessarily mean you don't have high bound Estrodiol/ Estrogen levels.
The AI should be used to suppress/eliminate bound Estrodiol, as Estrogen is a stronger suppressor on HTPA.
As Ehren mentioned high levels of intratesticlar testosterone that may aromataize or desensitizing the leydigs hormone making an HTPA reboot unsuccessful.

DAA, HCG, clomid will raise Estro comprising natural testosterone production.
You could try Aromasin solo, as theres no rebound effect and see through blood work if you return to homeostasis.
Just a thought?

Ok so should I start running aromasin then until a few weeks post PCT?

 

[Stewie]

Blood work is the necessity over anything else at this time.
IMO Pler is if you start running a compound(s) without knowing where your hormonal levels are.
Very Well could exacerbate returning to a state of homeostasis.
So to say yes or no is a hard question to answer my friend, IMO you probably do have high levels of E2, and with the reduction of mgs of test may? Result in higher already bound E2?

My suggestion would be pull a hormonal panel, CBC, lipid profile and vitamin D, to start with before stopping cycle completely , if your lipid profile is in the dumps, run a TRT dose say 75-100mg weekly and start correcting if possible monitoring lipids and controlling E2.

Cholesterol is where it starts, you can run the best laid out PCT, if your cholesterol is shot, you'll soon be on the lower end of normal T, as well as low vitamin D, this is a very strong pro hormone, if deficient. Correct

Ok so should I start running aromasin then until a few weeks post PCT?

 

[ImBroken]

what would be the best way to go about correcting your cholesterol level?

 

[Aliendogstar]

Any signs of depression yet? Post cycle blues suck.

 

[Stewie]

Diet and exercise and rest,avoid excessive amounts of alcohol, although red wine in moderation has been shown lower total cholesterol and raise HDL.

Clean diet, rich in EFA's supplement with fish oil
Exercise
A little red wine every now and again

what would be the best way to go about correcting your cholesterol level?

 

[Bulked007]

Thats not a PCT plan I would follow TBH.

I would probably do the following

HCG 1000IU EOD last two weeks of being "on".

Week 1 PCT- 1500iu HCG (3 x week) +50mg clomid, and low dose AI
week 2 PCT- 1500iu HCG (2 x week) + 50mg clomid ed, and low dose AI
Week 3 PCT- 750iu HCG (2 x week) + 25mg clomid and low dose AI
week 3-6 25mg clomid and low dose AI


Might sound like a foreign concept after all board "bro-science" youre accustomed to, but this is more in line with the medical communities treatment of steroid induced hypogonadism.

 

[raw33man]

This is what I would do, Do this PCT 10 days after Last Test Shot

Week 1 Torem 90MG Nolva 20mg - HCG 1500 x 3
Week 2 Torem 60MG Nolva 20mg HCG 1000 x 3
Week 3 Torem 60mg Nolva 20mg HCG 250 x 2
week 4 Torem 30MG Nolva 20mg

week 5 DAA 3Grams + Erase 3pills
week 6 DAA 3 grams + Erase 3 pills
Week 7 DAA 3 Grams + Erase 3 pills
Week 8 DAA 3 grams + Erase 3 pills

 

[MantusJohn]

I would get my Estrogen under control few weeks before ending
cycle and not use HCG after cycle which I didn't see you
wanting to do this anyway.

I would run Clomid 50mg ED starting 2 weeks before ending
for 4 weeks after you end so total of maybe 6 weeks with that

I think most important is get bloodwork regularly throughout
PCT from an Endocrinologist and tell them what you are doing

Get one who is going to work with you.

I always tell my docs what to do for me and what I am doing

They try to give me advice until I respectfully stop them and
let them know I know what I am doing. Once I talk to them
for few minutes they realize I do know what I am talking about
and have no problem doin what I want them to
without questioning me

 

[raw33man]

why not HCG On PCT ?

I know 3 bodybuilders at my gym that told me to do HCG on PCT with an AI

 

[Stewie]

Lot of opinions here ,on whats a proper PCT, including mine, what we seem to fail to realize is no two people are going to respond the same, my TSH and E2 may be within normal ranges, Joe whatever's may not be, as both of these are dependent of each other for a normal state of homeostasis, period!( There are several variables I used two as an example ) Medical literature as we quote(which isn't always correct ), bro science(which isn't too far off from right nor wrong ), what we've picked up on the net, all have the potential to reboot ones HTPA and stimulate LH/FSH.

In the end, your probably going to do another cycle anyway.
Stay on top of your blood work,address deficiency.
Stop stressing about shit <hormone killer

Thats my opinion

 

[QuietStorm]

what would be the best way to go about correcting your cholesterol level?

its considered rude to hijack someone's thread to ask a completely off topic question. how about start your own thread and see how many people try to help you out?

 

[lazer05]

I always use hcg while on and end it before PCT actually. AI is definitely wanted for all of PCT and probably while ending the AAS as the estrogen will be high and going higher as the test goes down.

 

[MantusJohn]

why not HCG On PCT ?

I know 3 bodybuilders at my gym that told me to do HCG on PCT with an AI

Cause HCG will increase estrogen which will cause more
suppression of the HTTP

I never met a guy in any gym who know much
about AAS, PCT etc

 

[raw33man]

ok I asked this Bodybuilder again, He is huge ! 6'1'' 240lbs with abz,
He said after the last Test E shot, he starts using

HCG 1500 x 3
HCG 1000 x 3
HCG 250 x 2 --- By this week, you start PCT, so on the first week of PCT, you are on HCG for only 500iu

Any comment on this guys ?

 

[PLer1290]

Ok just did my last shot today, test E 125mg. I will wait 2 weeks then do a triptorelin shot of 100mcg and start clomid at 200/100/50/50/50/25/25 and nolva at 60/40/20/20/20/20/10/10. I will also be using aromasin throughout and past the SERMs.

I am also taking D-aspartic acid, tribulus, and fenugreek throughout the PCT.

Does this sound like a good plan so far?

 

[AJW91]

You should log your progress on this thread. It would be very interesting to see how well you recover after 5 months on w/ minimum supports.