*peak week* shit loading.. MY WAY

[Dave_19]

I Won't get into detail my protocol for this, but I will say I have tested and trialled it until I got it right long ago and stuck to what works. What works for most still though doesn't work for all. But I still use the same basic rules/guide lines for the final 10-14 days.

I know this is very secretive information, hell even my self I charge for those final 2 weeks. So I won't lay out my regiment, but if any of you are doing a show, and choosing shit loading as your load, and have questions concerning it, feel free to ask, and I'll respond for now as if you were a client.

All I ask if that you are very specific, not BROAD. Do not ask how to shit load or I won't help you, if you want advice regarding certain stages of the load I have no problem helping out but don't expect more than a paragraph or 2 answer, which one question should cover that is very specific.

I will also say, this peaking style for the OG athletes is very controversial, thats ok. We always say if its not broke don't fix it, that goes for all of us. But this thread is for those of us who choose the shit load protocol. It does work, you may only peak for a few hours which can be dangerous for a big show, but you WILL peak if done correctly .

 

[oldfella]

Dave, I do noy have any questions for you but I will say that you are correct. I have employed this method many times in the past and timing is everything. But it works and works well. You will be big, full and very vascular come show time if you nail it.

Good one Dave!

 

[michelin]

Thanks for offering to do this.

Im 16 days out but Im afraid the only knowledge I have of shitloading is what I read on this site so I'll just have to hope some other guys chime in with relevant specific questions for you and I'll learn what I can from your replies.

 

[chris250]

Dave,

Do you do the old style of shitload ? Load up the final 6-12 hours with high fat/carb foods..Or the newer way of loading up with higher sugar foods, about 2-4 days out ???

chris

 

[Skip]

I am in Charleston for my show so I won't go into it too much other than to say that I heard you had posted this and figured I would respond with this:

If you had the option between someone that had done something 1000 times over and all but mastered something and then you had an upstart that was trying to make a name for himself that had done something 10 times, who would YOU trust with your condition and your show?

Skip

 

[Lenny]

Experience is knowledge to a certain degree, so I would seek the experience person for advice first, due to all the experimentation, trial and error, and success of a certain protocol. If it works after seeking that advice, then why change it...but if the experience doesn't well fix it. But, again I would seek the more experienced individual...that is just my opinion and thoughts!

 

[gyno]

I am in Charleston for my show so I won't go into it too much other than to say that I heard you had posted this and figured I would respond with this:

If you had the option between someone that had done something 1000 times over and all but mastered something and then you had an upstart that was trying to make a name for himself that had done something 10 times, who would YOU trust with your condition and your show?

Skip

:food-smil
saw this one coming...

 

[Skip]

:food-smil
saw this one coming...

lol

He waited until I was out of town!! Sneaky bastard.

Skip

 

[Dave_19]

Dave,

Do you do the old style of shitload ? Load up the final 6-12 hours with high fat/carb foods..Or the newer way of loading up with higher sugar foods, about 2-4 days out ???

chris

neither, but closer to the 1st.

 

[ok303]

lets get back to talking about shit loading, not shit talking, we are all here to learn, and move forward with the original post. anyway, dave i agree with a lot of your techniques, and seen your techniques in theory and practice.

i was surprised to see many of these concepts in my nutrition science/bio classes which confirmed what ive learned from you before i read the books

 

[DOOGIE DOG]

neither, but closer to the 1st.

Does this mean you do a small shit just prior to stepping on stage?

Seems to me it could be best doing a large carb load earlier in the week as Skip recommends, let the excess water leave the body, then do a shit load according to ones condition the morning of the show to increase vascularity and density.

 

[Dave_19]

Does this mean you do a small shit just prior to stepping on stage?

Seems to me it could be best doing a large carb load earlier in the week as Skip recommends, let the excess water leave the body, then do a shit load according to ones condition the morning of the show to increase vascularity and density.

It depends on the person, with my loads I usually do a trial run for free 4-5 weeks out and see how the person reacts to every thing. If I had to find a middle ground I would say Mon-Wed you would carb load with every clean carbs, and tapper them up each day having the most Wed. then go to 0 carbs hitting maintence cals w/ protein & healthy fats until its time to load w/ junk. This gap of time is an important factor me. For some you will fill out better if you cut out clean carbs Tue, or Wed Am, Mid day, ect.. and load on junk earlier i.e. mid Fri. Others I have seen clean load as late as possible and junk load very late (sat early AM)

Skip definitely knows what hes doing and I have a lot of respect for him. I am not trying to start any type of problems here just sharing out information I have tested for years that works for me and others. I have an extreme amount of confidence in this area, but its very tricky.

 

[DOOGIE DOG]

It depends on the person, with my loads I usually do a trial run for free 4-5 weeks out and see how the person reacts to every thing. If I had to find a middle ground I would say Mon-Wed you would carb load with every clean carbs, and tapper them up each day having the most Wed. then go to 0 carbs hitting maintence cals w/ protein & healthy fats until its time to load w/ junk. This gap of time is an important factor me. For some you will fill out better if you cut out clean carbs Tue, or Wed Am, Mid day, ect.. and load on junk earlier i.e. mid Fri. Others I have seen clean load as late as possible and junk load very late (sat early AM)

Skip definitely knows what hes doing and I have a lot of respect for him. I am not trying to start any type of problems here just sharing out information I have tested for years that works for me and others. I have an extreme amount of confidence in this area, but its very tricky.

I understand you are not going against Skip. I was just curious as to how you approached things in comparison to him. It sounds like you have very similar plans in regards to carbing up earlier in the week and it sounds very logical!

Four questions Dave!


1, How many days out do you stop doing cardio and weight training? The last week?

2, Do you take diurectics of any kind or do you follow the advise of skip by just eleiminating water the night before a show?

3, Do you feel it best to keep orals and tren in all the way through the show when using your carb loading method or do you drop them a week out?

4, Do you cut out all carbs following the load to expel water at a faster rate?

 

[DOOGIE DOG]

I understand you are not going against Skip. I was just curious as to how you approached things in comparison to him. It sounds like you have very similar plans in regards to carbing up earlier in the week and it sounds very logical!

Four questions Dave!


1, How many days out do you stop doing cardio and weight training? The last week?

2, Do you take diurectics of any kind or do you follow the advise of skip by just eleiminating water the night before a show?

3, Do you feel it best to keep orals and tren in all the way through the show when using your carb loading method or do you drop them a week out?

4, Do you cut out all carbs following the load to expel water at a faster rate?

Bump..Turning out to be a very informative thread by Dave! Bro seems to knows his shit!

 

[superman21]

sorry but i think daves method has too many things he is trying to manipulate in the wrong manner. I worked with skip and can tell u that his method is fail proof, when or if you have worked with skip then you know what im talking about.

Im not saying daves method wont work, i just think its more variables that could possibly go wrong. Not bashing anyone, just giving my opinion.

 

[DOOGIE DOG]

sorry but i think daves method has too many things he is trying to manipulate in the wrong manner. I worked with skip and can tell u that his method is fail proof, when or if you have worked with skip then you know what im talking about.

Im not saying daves method wont work, i just think its more variables that could possibly go wrong. Not bashing anyone, just giving my opinion.

Interesting..What do you dislike most about Daves prep superman?

 

[superman21]

Mainly the diuretics and water manipulation. Also, im a strong believer in the more drastic changes you make, the more room you have for error and conditioning to be off.

There are a million ways to skin a cat, i like skips way because it is very hard to mess up. He lays it out in black and white for you.

like i said, if you have used skip, then you know what im talkin about.

 

[Mr.G]

I understand you are not going against Skip. I was just curious as to how you approached things in comparison to him. It sounds like you have very similar plans in regards to carbing up earlier in the week and it sounds very logical!

Four questions Dave!


1, How many days out do you stop doing cardio and weight training? The last week?

2, Do you take diurectics of any kind or do you follow the advise of skip by just eleiminating water the night before a show?

3, Do you feel it best to keep orals and tren in all the way through the show when using your carb loading method or do you drop them a week out?

4, Do you cut out all carbs following the load to expel water at a faster rate?

Waiting for answers, why start a thread without answers to follow?

 

[Lenny]

Waiting for answers, why start a thread without answers to follow?

I concur...keep it coming! Good stuff....

 

[bigguns078]

I understand you are not going against Skip. I was just curious as to how you approached things in comparison to him. It sounds like you have very similar plans in regards to carbing up earlier in the week and it sounds very logical!

Four questions Dave!


1, How many days out do you stop doing cardio and weight training? The last week?

2, Do you take diurectics of any kind or do you follow the advise of skip by just eleiminating water the night before a show?

3, Do you feel it best to keep orals and tren in all the way through the show when using your carb loading method or do you drop them a week out?

4, Do you cut out all carbs following the load to expel water at a faster rate?

Im not Dave.. but I was his client and i can answer these questions based on what he did for me..

1. no cardio during peak week.. for me
2. I used an over the counter diurectic
3. no comment.. but another guy ran both at certain times during peak week.
4. when i cut out my carbs.. i also started to cut out my water..