Peptide/Hormone stack for guys already in good condition but want to get super lean

[xpoc]

I'm generally around 14-16% bodyfat. I look good year round (I am 56 years old, not a competitive bodybuilder). I value heart health, so I don't push the drugs hard. I have been a TRT guy for years, but I wanted to experiment with trying to get leaner. Here is what I did beginning in August.

60 mg of test cyp every M-W-F

Ipamorelin/CJC 1295 blend 5x per week

1.25 mg of Tirzepatide 1x per week

I went from 16.5% bodyfat to 7.8% in 3 months. It was the perfect "safe(r)" cutting stack for me and it worked like magic. I would imagine REAL hGH instead of a secretagogue would be even more effective. All I can do is share what I personally experienced. I think the stack of low/moderate dose test, some type of IGF booster and a low dose GLP-1 is the ultimate body comp improvement stack. Best part was most of the fat I lost was visceral (around the mid section).

 

[danieltx]

Someone has to tell you this and it might as well be me.

None of your results came from ipamorelin or CJC. Peptides are a joke which is why you never see them discussed here by the serious guys.

If you want to add something effective to your TRT then get GH. I've already told you the top quality sources here.

 

[jfrost89]

Gh, motc, Retatrutide, methylene blue, slu pp 332. Best fat burning stack you’re going to use other than adding clen and yohimbine to it but if you want an essentially stim feet fat loss stack that’s what I’d recommend.

 

[xpoc]

Someone has to tell you this and it might as well be me.

None of your results came from ipamorelin or CJC. Peptides are a joke which is why you never see them discussed here by the serious guys.

If you want to add something effective to your TRT then get GH. I've already told you the top quality sources here.

Yes sir...I know. And I appreciate you. I would say it was all the GLP-1. Perhaps it is just a mental thing with the Ipam/CJC. I just don't like dealing with bitcoin and crypto etc. Now you have me wondering if I could make even more improvements adding GH.

 

[buck]

Did you cut calories during your loss? If so how much?

 

[King-kong2]

Someone has to tell you this and it might as well be me.

None of your results came from ipamorelin or CJC. Peptides are a joke which is why you never see them discussed here by the serious guys.

If you want to add something effective to your TRT then get GH. I've already told you the top quality sources here.

I’ve been searching threads looking to find exactly what you wrote in paragraph 2. Always been my opinion. Been around for a while and remember when peptides aka research chems first came out. Tried 1295, mk…, 157 and a bunch of others that people were raving about. But no luck with any of them.
Upon putting together a cycle I was surprised nothing really new other than some blends. Same stuff I saw 30 plus years ago. So started surfing to see where peptides have come in the last ten years.
Looks like I’ll be putting the same stack together I did long ago. Never really tried GH as the cost used to be higher and sources were ifffy. Maybe I’ll add that this spring. Mid 50s so gotta b careful.

 

[xpoc]

Did you cut calories during your loss? If so how much?

yes i cut calories. i do not count calories, only protein. my protein stayed the same, around 200g per day. i would say my fat stayed the same since most of it comes from my protein sources. i would estimate i cut carbs prob by 50% simply because i wasn't hungry enough to get them down. i focused on eating my protein (and whatever fat that included) first, and then whatever appetite i had left over went to carbs. i did not count total calories, i just know i ate less...and since i was eating the same amount of pro/fat that means the cut had to come from carbs. but i wasn't trying to do keto or anything. i still ate rice, beans, fruit or whatever side i had with my protein.

 

[xpoc]

Someone has to tell you this and it might as well be me.

None of your results came from ipamorelin or CJC. Peptides are a joke which is why you never see them discussed here by the serious guys.

If you want to add something effective to your TRT then get GH. I've already told you the top quality sources here.

please check PM for a question. thanks big dog.

 

[buck]

yes i cut calories. i do not count calories, only protein. my protein stayed the same, around 200g per day. i would say my fat stayed the same since most of it comes from my protein sources. i would estimate i cut carbs prob by 50% simply because i wasn't hungry enough to get them down. i focused on eating my protein (and whatever fat that included) first, and then whatever appetite i had left over went to carbs. i did not count total calories, i just know i ate less...and since i was eating the same amount of pro/fat that means the cut had to come from carbs. but i wasn't trying to do keto or anything. i still ate rice, beans, fruit or whatever side i had with my protein.

So with carbs being cut that much or possibly more as no tracking was done the weight loss could have mostly or maybe completely be form that.

 

[xpoc]

So with carbs being cut that much or possibly more as no tracking was done the weight loss could have mostly or maybe completely be form that.

yes. but would NEVER have happened without the drug. this is my point. i did not change the food i put on my plate. i was steady at 15-16 percent bodyfat for years. i took the stack and still did not change the food i put on my plate. since my appetite was diminished i focused on the protein first. and if i got to the carbs, so be it. the ONLY reason i was able to do this was because i wasnt as hungry otherwise i would have smashed the whole plate like usual. everyone who says it was my diet change that got me lean is missing the point. i did not try to cut calories. the drug forced me to. so YES the calorie deficit was the key...as ALWAYS is...but i would never have got there without the drug. like arguing what came first the chicken or the egg.

 

[mexbeast]

Interesting, since you value heart health it would be difficult to think of something that would help with fat loss and not have a negative effect on your heart. But since you are using GH stimulating peps i would suggest doing GH at only 2iu's. Maybe a small thyroid dose? 100-150 mgc t4? Clen and efedrine would definitely not be a good idea, maybe not even too much caffeine, i guess the only healthy option would be some cardio or extra calorie expenditure of some sort

 

[xpoc]

Interesting, since you value heart health it would be difficult to think of something that would help with fat loss and not have a negative effect on your heart. But since you are using GH stimulating peps i would suggest doing GH at only 2iu's. Maybe a small thyroid dose? 100-150 mgc t4? Clen and efedrine would definitely not be a good idea, maybe not even too much caffeine, i guess the only healthy option would be some cardio or extra calorie expenditure of some sort

The GLP-1 drugs are supposed to be beneficial to cardiac health (and to cure fatty liver). But as for stimulants, I agree that is a hard NO for me.

 

[Hyperemia]

yes. but would NEVER have happened without the drug. this is my point. i did not change the food i put on my plate. i was steady at 15-16 percent bodyfat for years. i took the stack and still did not change the food i put on my plate. since my appetite was diminished i focused on the protein first. and if i got to the carbs, so be it. the ONLY reason i was able to do this was because i wasnt as hungry otherwise i would have smashed the whole plate like usual. everyone who says it was my diet change that got me lean is missing the point. i did not try to cut calories. the drug forced me to. so YES the calorie deficit was the key...as ALWAYS is...but i would never have got there without the drug. like arguing what came first the chicken or the egg.

It’s really just semantics. The GLP-1 forced the diet change. You may not have tried to change the diet but the drug choice forced you to. So at the end of the day, the diet change caused the lion share of the end result. If you ate the exact same food at the exact same amounts without the GLP-1, I’m sure you would have had very similar results. Did you get a bit extra out of it, I’m sure you did as there are other benefits. However, saying the diet wasn’t the cause is just silly honestly. The drug gave you the willpower you lacked but the end result was almost entirely caused by the diet change.

Regardless, you look great and I’m glad it worked out for you.

 

[d.b.cooper]

It’s really just semantics. The GLP-1 forced the diet change. You may not have tried to change the diet but the drug choice forced you to. So at the end of the day, the diet change caused the lion share of the end result. If you ate the exact same food at the exact same amounts without the GLP-1, I’m sure you would have had very similar results. Did you get a bit extra out of it, I’m sure you did as there are other benefits. However, saying the diet wasn’t the cause is just silly honestly. The drug gave you the willpower you lacked but the end result was almost entirely caused by the diet change.

Regardless, you look great and I’m glad it worked out for you.

Well worded and solid response. The one thing I can appreciate about this board is that people can give an honest assessment and most do not take offense

 

[OldManLogan]

Ok, new guy here and this is strictly anecdotal- I tried Tesamorelin 1mg a day, Ipamorelin 2x 150 mcg, Tirzepatide 1.25 mg twice a week for 10 weeks, combined with training, and diet on point. Lost 20 pounds of fat, dropped from 18% to 12% body fat and gained 2 pounds of muscle- with a slight caloric deficit (300 calories). I’m 53 years old, 5’8” 190#

Now, I’m pretty positive the peptide stack helped, but I have no basis of comparison to know how MUCH it helped. I did notice a large drop in visceral fat per InBody scans, which I understand are not super accurate, but the trend was there.

Just sharing for context. Of course, now I started TRT 6 weeks ago and 2IUs HGH daily, my understanding is that this should make conditions far better for fitness goals (fairly modest gains /longevity), but thought I’d share.

Please be gentle guys, I’m new.

 

[d.b.cooper]

Ok, new guy here and this is strictly anecdotal- I tried Tesamorelin 1mg a day, Ipamorelin 2x 150 mcg, Tirzepatide 1.25 mg twice a week for 10 weeks, combined with training, and diet on point. Lost 20 pounds of fat, dropped from 18% to 12% body fat and gained 2 pounds of muscle- with a slight caloric deficit (300 calories). I’m 53 years old, 5’8” 190#

Now, I’m pretty positive the peptide stack helped, but I have no basis of comparison to know how MUCH it helped. I did notice a large drop in visceral fat per InBody scans, which I understand are not super accurate, but the trend was there.

Just sharing for context. Of course, now I started TRT 6 weeks ago and 2IUs HGH daily, my understanding is that this should make conditions far better for fitness goals (fairly modest gains /longevity), but thought I’d share.

Please be gentle guys, I’m new.

Good result and honest look at it. Best thing to always do is test baseline. Determine what you can do without supplementation, then add in supplements one at a time. No one likes the long road but it works. I always tell people I coached back in the day, best way to explain it to a lot of beginners and using diet as an example. I always said look at a dog, same amount of food, same time, every day. Add a little, see what happens, examine results, bump up or add something else when results begin to slow… and keep going. This maximizes cost savings and allows you to find what works. I did this with cjc, ipam, tesa, bpc, tb, it’d, hgh… and yes it takes a little longer but I learned how I respond. I need more than 1mg bpc to see/feel results, I need a heck of a lot more ipam than most list as “effective dose” so for me that one was a no go, for hgh 3iu is slight anti aging, skin, healing benefits, 4-6 I see more fat loss, muscle fullness, 10+ I get some sides not bad but I do not look that much better than u do at around the 5 mark… I am also fortunate to have access to testing so I can get levels but I go by feel, look… I am sure the peptides helped but figure out what you need and though this may not be a popular opinion, but try it out, start at low to moderate and step it up, add something in and see if results vary. Dont just start with 3-4 different -‘s give it a little time. I am at the same point, longevity, health but I also will not BS and say I still don’t want that look. I in no way look natural, 53 yrs old, 5’9 and 220 lean. Body fat is below 10% year round but I am at the point of I add something I know it’s impact.

 

[shaneNJ]

Someone has to tell you this and it might as well be me.

None of your results came from ipamorelin or CJC. Peptides are a joke which is why you never see them discussed here by the serious guys.

If you want to add something effective to your TRT then get GH. I've already told you the top quality sources here.

What are you thoughts on GLP-1 to assist with visceral fat for guys in gear and GH and already pretty lean but have stubborn fat. Thanks

 

[TexasBoy]

I would honestly add HGH

 

[chestrockwell420]

100-150 mgc t4?

why not T3? i like taking Genotropins with T3 and i stay shredded all summer with no worries of what i eat and drink

 

[TexasBoy]

T3 with clen is also great for getting ripped