Perfect hair safe cycle

Matsuo Munefusa · Feb 26, 2021

mpjuice said:
Nothing I stated is a "DHT blocker"

RU is it topical anti-androgen with less affinity to the androgen receptor than that of DHT, so it doesn't do that well of a job at blocking DHT itself. But it works well on testosterone

and finasteride which is a five alpha reductase inhibitor.

Test has an androgenic score of 100
Primo- 80
RU- 120 (notice how this number is higher than the two above)

Dht- much higher than all three of these

I think you are misunderstanding

MP, as far as I can tell you’re conflating androgenic score rating with AR binding affinity. The androgenic ratings are derived from the growth/enlargement of the prostate (and seminal vesicles) of hypogonadal rats administered steroid for 8 days then dissected. The anabolic rating is also not the AR binding affinity of the compound. It is the measurement of the growth on levator ani muscle on said rats. It’s just terribly useless for us.

Matsuo Munefusa · Feb 26, 2021

Sorry i may be confused - I just read your last post before mine. Do you have a list of scores for AR binding affinity for our drugs?

broza · Mar 22, 2022

men and their hair, such a touchy subject... myself included. lol

Love_to_Bodybuild · Mar 23, 2022

mpjuice said:
I believe I found the perfect combination of drugs to grow and to keep hair.

Test
Primo
Finasteride for T conversion to DHT
RU58841

Both primo and test have a lower binding affinity to the AR then RU. RU had some more difficult time competing for the AR with stronger androgens.

I'd like to hear your opinions? Do you believe you have another hair safe cycle if so post it.

Where did you come across ru58841 has a difficult time competing for the AR with stronger androgens? Studies?

Looks safe. Remember most primo is faked. Even stuff where you scratch off a code and confirm it online . I've done primo twice and every time pip like test p but that's a whole different subject .

Test and EQ seems to be hair safe with ru and fina.

Love_to_Bodybuild · Mar 23, 2022

mpjuice said:
Nothing I stated is a "DHT blocker"

RU is it topical anti-androgen with less affinity to the androgen receptor than that of DHT, so it doesn't do that well of a job at blocking DHT itself. But it works well on testosterone

and finasteride which is a five alpha reductase inhibitor.

Test has an androgenic score of 100
Primo- 80
RU- 120 (notice how this number is higher than the two above)

Dht- much higher than all three of these

Ru has an androgenic score of 120? How can this be if it's an anti androgen? Do you mean negative score of 120? And at what dose? Typical dose is 2.5 grams per 50 ml , 5 % . What's those dose equate to?

So looks like strong androgen stuff like tren , esp moderate high dosing , ru, couldn't compete?

Irongiant · Mar 23, 2022

My hair all of a sudden became very sensitive to my gear use. My hair literally fell out until I had the full blown George Costanza. Dropping my test down to legit trt levels 120mg for me and adding in finasteride 3 times a week helped me regain basically 90% of what I lost. I now will stay there forever and periodically add a small dose anabolic on top of that. Can’t use deca with finasteride from what I’ve read so that’s out. Primo and masteron is a no go as well. I tried the tiniest amount of tren like 5mg a day and my hair started instantly falling out. Dhb I only went to 200mg, worked well with no effect on my hair. I’m currently on 150mg of ment with 10mg superdrol and my hair has been untouched from those as well.

Rumpwrangler · Mar 23, 2022

Irongiant said:
My hair all of a sudden became very sensitive to my gear use. My hair literally fell out until I had the full blown George Costanza. Dropping my test down to legit trt levels 120mg for me and adding in finasteride 3 times a week helped me regain basically 90% of what I lost. I now will stay there forever and periodically add a small dose anabolic on top of that. Can’t use deca with finasteride from what I’ve read so that’s out. Primo and masteron is a no go as well. I tried the tiniest amount of tren like 5mg a day and my hair started instantly falling out. Dhb I only went to 200mg, worked well with no effect on my hair. I’m currently on 150mg of ment with 10mg superdrol and my hair has been untouched from those as well.

Ah the Costanza. Love that haircut lol. I read this whole thing. I’ve been in the place of just about everyone that posted. So glad I just decided not to care about hair lol. But I understand how hard that would be if you don’t look cool bald. But if you can ever just get over it and move on, that’s where you want to be. Hair loss should not dominate your thoughts all day. Or at all. So if you’re thinking about it routinely then you are doing it wrong. We’re savage conquerers. You think a savage gives a shit about hair follicles lol?

Nike22 · Mar 23, 2022

Dude, the way to disregard everyone's input tells me that there is ZERO point in trying to help you.

Good luck with your "hair perfect" cycle.

fisther69 · Mar 23, 2022

Test only- with finestride

Deca only-no finestride

End of list If you are worried about hair

broza · Mar 23, 2022

how about ment and hair loss?

mpjuice · Mar 31, 2022

Nike22 said:
Dude, the way to disregard everyone's input tells me that there is ZERO point in trying to help you.

Good luck with your "hair perfect" cycle.

Is this directed towards me? I simply haven't been on this site. Honestly I'm pretty much over gear after hitting 240lbs it's just uncomfortable being this large on my frame and hard to find clothing that fits good.

mpjuice · Mar 31, 2022

broza said:
how about ment and hair loss?

Ment is horrible for hair

mpjuice · Mar 31, 2022

Love_to_Bodybuild said:
Ru has an androgenic score of 120? How can this be if it's an anti androgen? Do you mean negative score of 120? And at what dose? Typical dose is 2.5 grams per 50 ml , 5 % . What's those dose equate to?

So looks like strong androgen stuff like tren , esp moderate high dosing , ru, couldn't compete?

I misspoke I meant it's ar binding affinity.

Correct, RU would not be able to compete with compounds like Tren because it's binding Affinity so much weaker

alfresco · Mar 31, 2022

mpjuice said:
I believe I found the perfect combination of drugs to grow and to keep hair.

Test
Primo
Finasteride for T conversion to DHT
RU58841

Both primo and test have a lower binding affinity to the AR then RU. RU had some more difficult time competing for the AR with stronger androgens.

I'd like to hear your opinions? Do you believe you have another hair safe cycle if so post it.

How do you REALLY know if it works for YOU?

There is no accurate way to predict hair loss.

You are unique . . . just like everybody else.

mpjuice · Mar 31, 2022

alfresco said:
How do you REALLY know if it works for YOU?

There is no accurate way to predict hair loss.

You are unique . . . just like everybody else.

I am unique, sure. My scalp tends to get itchy when I lose hair

Itachi · Mar 31, 2022

Irongiant said:
My hair all of a sudden became very sensitive to my gear use. My hair literally fell out until I had the full blown George Costanza. Dropping my test down to legit trt levels 120mg for me and adding in finasteride 3 times a week helped me regain basically 90% of what I lost. I now will stay there forever and periodically add a small dose anabolic on top of that. Can’t use deca with finasteride from what I’ve read so that’s out. Primo and masteron is a no go as well. I tried the tiniest amount of tren like 5mg a day and my hair started instantly falling out. Dhb I only went to 200mg, worked well with no effect on my hair. I’m currently on 150mg of ment with 10mg superdrol and my hair has been untouched from those as well.

The reason behind avoiding deca with finasteride is the deca won't reduce into 5a-dhn (which has weak androgenic effects). So more deca will stay as deca. If deca isn't giving you hairloss to begin with I don't see why you can't mix it with finasteride.

Irongiant · Mar 31, 2022

broza said:
how about ment and hair loss?

I’d say see for yourself, ment has 0 effect on my hair loss.

Love_to_Bodybuild · Apr 1, 2022

mpjuice said:
I misspoke I meant it's ar binding affinity.

Correct, RU would not be able to compete with compounds like Tren because it's binding Affinity so much weaker

Do you think low dose tren say 10 mgs four times a week is still too overwhelming for ru58841 at say 5%?

broza · Apr 8, 2022

Irongiant said:
I’d say see for yourself, ment has 0 effect on my hair loss.

I’m running 5mg of tren and 5mg of tren a day and I’ve noticed some very mild thinning. I should drop the tren and see if it’s the ment, tren made me thin pretty bad during a blast I did with it.

Test 200, primo 200, fin, regain, and RU