Pharmacutical Test

[FlexN]

Just got some pharmacutical test from a nurse friend of mine. I have never used pharm grade before and my friend tells me it is "stronger dosed" than the test I would typically get. It says 200 mg but my friend says 200 mg pharm grade is not the same as 200 mg non pharm and therefore I should dose accordingly. Anyone know anything about this? I always assumed pharm grade just meant it was guarnateed to be legit and not underdosed.

 

[humpthebobcat]

Well it should be at least 200mg/ml so plan for that and anything extra I don't think will make that much of a difference.

 

[Fitness 500]

If it's HG what brand is it?

 

[Jizzmo]

pharm grade is not stronger.
UGL grade is weaker

most UGL products arent properly dosed (underdosed) because of poor raw powder quality or greed. most are not gonna notice it if an UGL just puts 150mg test into a supposed 250mg/ml vial.

 

[jm425]

Your friend is wrong. There are only a couple UGLs that come to mind that properly dose their gear. Lightning is one of them. He had Adonis mass spec his oils and they came out right at the number or slightly overdosed. The only difference between pharm grade and high quality ugl like lightning is that pharm grade is made in a GMP certified lab whereas ugl products aren't. I will say this though. A lot of ugls do under dose their gear to maximize profits.

 

[neophyte]

Just got some pharmacutical test from a nurse friend of mine. I have never used pharm grade before and my friend tells me it is "stronger dosed" than the test I would typically get. It says 200 mg but my friend says 200 mg pharm grade is not the same as 200 mg non pharm and therefore I should dose accordingly. Anyone know anything about this? I always assumed pharm grade just meant it was guarnateed to be legit and not underdosed.

If you're in the States, she needs to be careful. Doctors and hospitals keep track of type III controlled prescription medications and have to account for them. They usually have some way of tracking who had access.

 

[nozeryder]

^^
Listen to the man. They're onto something good!!

 

[triathloncoach]

Geeez

 

[rAJJIN]

Adds and sales pitches go in the sponsor forum.

 

[AshopRep]

I like pharmgrade, and ug grade. Remember test is test is test.

 

[tattoo449]

What jizzmo said !!!

 

[FlexN]

Thanks for the comments. Sounds like if anything Ill just be getting the dose I always thought I was getting anyway. Im interested in seeing if the results will be any different.

 

[FlexN]

If you're in the States, she needs to be careful. Doctors and hospitals keep track of type III controlled prescription medications and have to account for them. They usually have some way of tracking who had access.

Absolutely. Im told this was a unique situation where vials were being discarded. Probably not something Ill be able to benefit from again.

 

[Bio]

Not all UGL's are under dosed! Here is an excerpt from William Llewellyn's book from 2008. Look at the section "Dosage vs Label Claim"...A lot of the gear in this test was WAY overdosed!!

Going Underground?
by William Llewellyn, with Ronny Tober (Sept. 23, 2008)

There is no question about it. Underground steroid products make up the dominant share of the global steroid business now. What was once a market largely fed by real prescription drugs, is now one where small-scale underground manufacturing and home brewing operations thrive. The underground market does accomplish one very substantial thing – it allows the very large demand for these drugs to be met. It will be the first to admit, that were it not for the underground aspect of this trade, there would be far fewer drugs in commerce, and far fewer people with access to them. But this article is not about the availability of underground steroids. It is about their safety.

Underground steroids are indeed everywhere. But are they actually safe to use? Are underground steroids truly equivalent to the prescription drugs they are to replace? Those in support of the underground business often herald their favorite brands. Who is to blame them when they have access to a company that can supply them the variety, and often great value, that can be found with underground steroids. Many readers will recognize that we have had a very active testing history at Body of Science. In fact, I suspect that no single magazine or online community has tested as much as we have. But we too have our limitations. Up until now, our testing has been focused solely on the steroid content of a product. In other words, we have been able to tell you if X steroid was present in Y amount, but that is it.

The Labs

In an effort to help consumers REALLY assess the quality and potential health risks of underground steroid products, BodyofScience.com and ANABOLICS undertook a detailed joint drug analysis project. This project focused solely on examining the quality of steroids made from underground facilities, and exceeded the normal scope of testing by examining a number of other variables often overlooked in dosage testing. A total of 14 underground steroid samples were selected for laboratory testing, which included products from Amplio Labs, British Dragon, Diamond Pharma, Generic Anabolics, Generic Pharma, Lizard Laboratories, Medical Inc., Microbiological Labs, Nordic Supplements, Shark Laboratories, SWE Supplements, and Troy Labs. Included in this list were drugs that were made from small underground manufacturers, mid-level operations, and even producers large enough to have their items assembled under contract by drug manufacturing facilities. All 14 samples were analyzed at a registered and licensed facility in the U.S.

The Tests

There were four specific areas of testing for this market analysis project. The first test was to look for the presence of toxic heavy metals such metals as lead, tin, mercury, and arsenic. Next, we commissioned the standard steroid quantification testing to see how these products were dosed. After this we looked to see if there were any unknown steroidal contaminants in the products. Pharmaceutical grade steroids will be highly pure. Unprocessed intermediary chemicals or other contaminants should not appear upon analysis. The presence of unknown steroidal substances signifies that lower quality materials (not made to pharmaceutical standards) were used. Finally, we examined for the presence of the flavoring agent 2,4-decadienal. This material is common to food products, and its presence demonstrates that food-grade oil (not highly pure pharmaceutical grade oil for injection) was used during product manufacture.

The Results

A detailing of the first 2 results from this testing series is available below, for all readers to see. Overall, the products examined in this study reflected extremely poorly on the quality of the underground steroid market. To begin with, more than 20% of the products (1 in 5) contained heavy metal contamination. While pre-market testing would have noticed this, if such products were ever found on pharmacy shelves in the U.S. it would trigger an immediate nationwide recall. Next, an examination of basic drug dosing showed many deviations. Approximately 35% of the products were actually significantly overdosed. While this was likely done in an effort to produce a stronger user response and loyal customer base, this is unacceptable and does raise many potential safety issues. The remaining results will be published in the upcoming release of William Llewellyn’s ANABOLICS 7th Edition (2009).

Test #1: Heavy Metals Contamination

Sample Contamination Result
1. methandrostenolone None Detected (<0.002) PASS
2. testosterone enanthate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
3. testosterone enanthate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
4. testosterone propionate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
5. boldenone undecylenate Metals Found (>0.002) FAIL
6. testosterone cypionate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
7. boldenone undecylenate Metals Found (<0.002) FAIL
8. trenbolone hexahydro. None Detected (<0.002) PASS
9. testosterone cypionate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
10. methenolone enanthate Metals Found (>0.002) FAIL
11. testosterone cypionate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
12. nandrolone decanoate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
13. methenolone enanthate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
14. trenbolone enanthate None Detected (<0.002) PASS

Failure Rate: 21%

Test #2: Dosage vs. Label Claim (mg/mL)

Sample Labeled Dose / Actual Dose / Percentage of Claim / Pass Fail Status
1. methandrostenolone 25 mg 115 mg 459% FAIL
2. testosterone enanthate 250 mg 440 mg 176% FAIL
3. testosterone enanthate 250 mg 408 mg 163% FAIL
4. testosterone propionate 75 mg 127 mg 169% FAIL
5. boldenone undecylenate 200 mg 240 mg 120% PASS
6. testosterone cypionate 200 mg 204 mg 102% PASS
7. boldenone undecylenate 200 mg 178 mg 89% PASS
8. trenbolone hexahydro. 76 mg 190 mg 249% FAIL
9. testosterone cypionate 200 mg 177 mg 88% PASS
10. methenolone enanthate 100 mg 54 mg 54% FAIL
11. testosterone cypionate 250 mg 171 mg 69% FAIL
12. nandrolone decanoate 250 mg 228 mg 91% PASS
13. methenolone enanthate 100 mg 78 mg 78% FAIL
14. trenbolone enanthate 100 mg 0 mg 0% FAIL

Failure Rate: 64% (+/- >20% of Label Claim)

 

[humpthebobcat]

and easiest way to get the test (and she should have a purse full of insulin this way)...say a patient gets discharged from the hospital the same day that his bottle of test or pen of insulin showed up from the pharmacy...patient x prolly only got one shot and now that the medication is "used, or dirty," she has to throw the medication away...or leave it in an out box for pharmacy in the med room where anybody could grab it...see it all the time...major reason why a lot of nurses start to abuse drugs

 

[alter]

and easiest way to get the test (and she should have a purse full of insulin this way)...say a patient gets discharged from the hospital the same day that his bottle of test or pen of insulin showed up from the pharmacy...patient x prolly only got one shot and now that the medication is "used, or dirty," she has to throw the medication away...or leave it in an out box for pharmacy in the med room where anybody could grab it...see it all the time...major reason why a lot of nurses start to abuse drugs

HEH...! someone knows the game right here

Ive seen unopened slin and other products go right in the trash

I would never risk swiping any of it as my job is way more important to me but not saying it doesnt happen all the time

So many ways around the "checks and balances" its a joke