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Pinning twice a week with long esters.

packing_it_on

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I don't really understand why people pin twice a week (usually every 3rd and 4th day), with long estered AAS.

The esters are longer than the injection frequency, therefore, the half life is never reached, and levels aren't remaining stable. They are in fact, steadily rising.

Using a PCT calculator, observe how high dosage becomes, from a very moderate administered dose of 250/200mg.

I'm using Test Enan 250mg and Eq 200mg twice per week, in this example, for a 12 week period.

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Day 1: 250mg T, 200mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 2: 226.4mg T, 188.8mg E/D/T
Day 3: 205.1mg T, 178.2mg E/D/T
Day 4: 185.7mg T, 168.2mg E/D/T
Day 5: 418.2mg T, 358.7mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 6: 378.8mg T, 338.6mg E/D/T
Day 7: 343.1mg T, 319.6mg E/D/T
Day 8: 560.7mg T, 501.7mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 9: 507.8mg T, 473.5mg E/D/T
Day 10: 460mg T, 446.9mg E/D/T
Day 11: 416.6mg T, 421.8mg E/D/T
Day 12: 627.3mg T, 598.1mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 13: 568.2mg T, 564.6mg E/D/T
Day 14: 514.6mg T, 532.9mg E/D/T
Day 15: 716.1mg T, 703mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 16: 648.5mg T, 663.5mg E/D/T
Day 17: 587.5mg T, 626.3mg E/D/T
Day 18: 532mg T, 591.1mg E/D/T
Day 19: 731.9mg T, 757.9mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 20: 662.9mg T, 715.4mg E/D/T
Day 21: 600.4mg T, 675.3mg E/D/T
Day 22: 793.8mg T, 837.4mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 23: 718.9mg T, 790.3mg E/D/T
Day 24: 651.2mg T, 746mg E/D/T
Day 25: 589.7mg T, 704.1mg E/D/T
Day 26: 784.2mg T, 864.6mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 27: 710.2mg T, 816mg E/D/T
Day 28: 643.3mg T, 770.3mg E/D/T
Day 29: 832.6mg T, 927.1mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 30: 754.1mg T, 875mg E/D/T
Day 31: 683mg T, 825.9mg E/D/T
Day 32: 618.6mg T, 779.5mg E/D/T
Day 33: 810.3mg T, 935.8mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 34: 733.9mg T, 883.2mg E/D/T
Day 35: 664.7mg T, 833.8mg E/D/T
Day 36: 852mg T, 987mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 37: 771.7mg T, 931.5mg E/D/T
Day 38: 698.9mg T, 879.2mg E/D/T
Day 39: 633mg T, 829.9mg E/D/T
Day 40: 823.4mg T, 983.3mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 41: 745.8mg T, 928mg E/D/T
Day 42: 675.4mg T, 876.1mg E/D/T
Day 43: 861.7mg T, 1027mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 44: 780.5mg T, 969.2mg E/D/T
Day 45: 706.9mg T, 914.7mg E/D/T
Day 46: 640.2mg T, 863.5mg E/D/T
Day 47: 829.9mg T, 1015mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 48: 751.7mg T, 957.9mg E/D/T
Day 49: 680.8mg T, 904.3mg E/D/T
Day 50: 866.6mg T, 1053.7mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 51: 784.9mg T, 994.3mg E/D/T
Day 52: 710.9mg T, 938.4mg E/D/T
Day 53: 643.9mg T, 885.9mg E/D/T
Day 54: 833.2mg T, 1036.2mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 55: 754.7mg T, 977.8mg E/D/T
Day 56: 683.5mg T, 923.1mg E/D/T
Day 57: 869.1mg T, 1071.5mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 58: 787.1mg T, 1011.1mg E/D/T
Day 59: 712.9mg T, 954.2mg E/D/T
Day 60: 645.7mg T, 900.8mg E/D/T
Day 61: 834.9mg T, 1050.4mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 69: 756.9mg T, 1000mg E/D/T
Day 70: 685.5mg T, 944.1mg E/D/T
Day 71: 870.9mg T, 1091.3mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 72: 788.7mg T, 1029.9mg E/D/T
Day 73: 714.4mg T, 971.8mg E/D/T
Day 74: 647.1mg T, 917.4mg E/D/T
Day 75: 836.1mg T, 1066.2mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 76: 757.2mg T, 1005.9mg E/D/T
Day 77: 685.8mg T, 949.7mg E/D/T
Day 78: 871.2mg T, 1096.5mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 79: 789mg T, 1034.9mg E/D/T
Day 80: 714.6mg T, 976.5mg E/D/T
Day 81: 647.3mg T, 921.9mg E/D/T
Day 82: 836.3mg T, 1070.4mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 83: 757.4mg T, 1009.9mg E/D/T
Day 84: 686mg T, 953.5mg E/D/T
Day 85: 871.4mg T, 1100.1mg E/D/T Injection Day
Day 86: 789.2mg T, 1038.3mg E/D/T
Day 87: 714.8mg T, 979.7mg E/D/T
Day 88: 647.4mg T, 924.9mg E/D/T
Day 89: 586.4mg T, 873.2mg E/D/T
Day 90: 531.1mg T, 823.8mg E/D/T
Day 91: 481mg T, 777.8mg E/D/T
Day 92: 435.7mg T, 734.2mg E/D/T
Day 93: 394.6mg T, 693mg E/D/T
Day 94: 357.3mg T, 653.8mg E/D/T
Day 95: 323.7mg T, 617.3mg E/D/T
Day 96: 293.2mg T, 582.8mg E/D/T
Day 97: 265.5mg T, 549.8mg E/D/T
Day 98: 240.5mg T, 519.1mg E/D/T
Day 99: 217.8mg T, 490.1mg E/D/T
Day 100: 197.3mg T, 462.6mg E/D/T
Day 101: 178.6mg T, 436.3mg E/D/T
Day 102: 161.8mg T, 412mg E/D/T
Day 103: 146.6mg T, 389.1mg E/D/T
Day 104: 132.7mg T, 366.9mg E/D/T
Day 105: 120.2mg T, 346.4mg E/D/T
Day 106: 108.9mg T, 327.2mg E/D/T
Day 107: 98.6mg T, 308.8mg E/D/T
Day 108: 89.2mg T, 291.1mg E/D/T
Day 109: 80.9mg T, 275mg E/D/T
Day 110: 73.2mg T, 259.8mg E/D/T
Day 111: 66.3mg T, 244.8mg E/D/T
Day 112: 60.1mg T, 231.1mg E/D/T
Day 113: 54.4mg T, 218.4mg E/D/T
Day 114: 49.3mg T, 206.2mg E/D/T
Day 115: 44.6mg T, 194.2mg E/D/T
Day 116: 40.4mg T, 183.6mg E/D/T
Day 117: 36.6mg T, 173.4mg E/D/T
Day 118: 33.1mg T, 163.3mg E/D/T
Day 119: 30mg T, 154.2mg E/D/T
Day 120: 27.2mg T, 145.8mg E/D/T
Day 121: 24.6mg T, 137.6mg E/D/T
Day 122: 22.3mg T, 129.5mg E/D/T
Day 123: 20.2mg T, 122.5mg E/D/T
Day 124: 18.3mg T, 115.8mg E/D/T - Start PCT


Note: Using these two long Estered AAS, (Enanthate/Undecylenate), by the last pin on day 85, Testosterone level is at 871.4mg, and Equipoise is at 1070.4mg. All from only administering 250mg test and 200mg Eq, twice per week.

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:O what is this PCT calculator you speak of??? Looks nice, care to share? ;)
 

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12 weeks of enth? not for me


and i question that calc, everyone is diff, i was doing 200 twice a week and my level was 1600
 

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I stopped the test and Eq at the same time on day 85 for arguments sake.

The PCT calculator waits until levels are around 115mg before it recommends PCT, and obviously the test level will fall faster, due to the shorter ester, so it isn't ideal in that respect. Maybe end the Eq a week early, run the test for 14 weeks, so that test levels stay above Eq, and PCT starts when the test level hits 115mg.

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I get less estrogenic sides pinning more frequently. I pin enanthate every single day first thing in the morning with an insulin pin :)
 

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I get less estrogenic sides pinning more frequently. I pin enanthate every single day first thing in the morning with an insulin pin :)
you do your enth subq?
 

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I get less estrogenic sides pinning more frequently. I pin enanthate every single day first thing in the morning with an insulin pin :)
I'm curious, if you pin every day, why bother with a long ester like enanthate?

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I do the test IM...I shoot into muscles where the skin is very tight over the muscle (bc of low bf).

I got used to pinning everyday on test prop (first cycle) and then switched to test E and just kept pinning. Something about the release profile is good on me for sides...I think my body clears the test E much much quicker than the stated 7 day halflife...I tried shooting 250mg of enanthate at once twice a week for a few weeks but I was on a hormonal rollercoaster...lots of estrogenic sides and crazy libido ups and downs. Everyday pinning = stable libido and less need for AI.

I also do much better with ED or EOD pinning of HCG rather than 2x/week pinning...but thats semi-offtopic...:)
 

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I was always under the impression that test e was cleared from your system in about 2 weeks. This chart is showing 1 shot lasting about 6 weeks.
 

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I was always under the impression that test e was cleared from your system in about 2 weeks. This chart is showing 1 shot lasting about 6 weeks.
It's being re-administered before the previous dose reaches it's half life, creating a surplus.

I see what you mean though. From the last pin, where test level is elevated to its maximum of 871.4mg, it takes about 6 weeks to totally crash (according to the PCT calculator). Keep in mind that PCT would usually start when testosterone is around 115mg, but in this case, the calculator has drawn it out for the EQ. Ideally, the EQ would cease after 12 weeks, and the test would continue until week 14. I stopped them both at the same time for comparison's sake.

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I do the test IM...I shoot into muscles where the skin is very tight over the muscle (bc of low bf).

I got used to pinning everyday on test prop (first cycle) and then switched to test E and just kept pinning. Something about the release profile is good on me for sides...I think my body clears the test E much much quicker than the stated 7 day halflife...I tried shooting 250mg of enanthate at once twice a week for a few weeks but I was on a hormonal rollercoaster...lots of estrogenic sides and crazy libido ups and downs. Everyday pinning = stable libido and less need for AI.

I also do much better with ED or EOD pinning of HCG rather than 2x/week pinning...but thats semi-offtopic...:)
I was unaware Test E could even go thru a slin pin... I learn something new everyday :D
 

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