Podcast with Chad Nicholls- Tell All

[TheOtherOne55]

Juuust got time to listen. Fantastic listen!
Love hearing stories about that prime time of BBing as well as his opinions of current day stuff.

 

[Elvia1023]

Great podcast.

 

[Aikman56]

I really enjoyed that. Great podcast!

 

[A50#]

Dave I could not agree more!!!!! Its just unfortunate when guys who have a long time of experience and built quality physiques themselves, get called liars when saying this. You are so on point here.

I grew up in the 80s and Chads style of nutrition and training are what I was taught by wrestling, football coaches and back when gyms were hardcore, the big guys there. I also corresponded with Greg Zulak for awhile and same theory..EAT BIG, LIFT BIG, GET BIG!
I'm talking pushing calories 5k, 6k, 7k...if you didn't gain add more calories. You had to push big weight and try to add weight every training session. I remember Zulak having me buy 1inch washers at the hardware and weigh them out. When I didn't think I could add more weight, I'd trick my mind and body with those washers. I hate to be the old guy living in the past but I rarely see guys at my gym pushing everything like we did back then. I talk to guys all the time on 1500 calorie Keto diets wondering why their not gaining. Anyways mad props to Chad. After Dom's podcast I went back and checked out and re read about everything Chad Nichols that I could. His credentials speak for themselves. MOST of the negative stuff is just BS, these guys knew what they were signing up for and I mean that with no disrespect

 

[iron lifter]

I didn’t watch the podcast yet, but I have to it’s a must-watch for me.
I do it tomorrow, I just didn’t have time before.

But about those 36 IU of GH per day it makes me laugh when people say they don’t believe it.
I personally know a few German guys who actually do that, so the Chad was 100% telling the truth.

What really makes me laugh is when I see some pros in podcasts saying they use 6–8 IU of GH.
Come on, that’s a joke. Nobody counts it like that.
The truth is every real bodybuilder who I know just takes a full vial a day.
The ones with less money take one vial (around 10 IU).
The ones with more money take two vials. And some even take three.

Nobody is playing with 4, 6, or 8 IU they just take 1, 2, or 3 vials, depending on what they can afford.
That’s the truth. Let’s not pretend otherwise.
Especially in the pro league everyone pushes to the limit.
The level is crazy high, competitors are freaks, and you really have to push everything if you want to stay competitive.

If you don’t, you just have to accept that you won’t be winning.

How do they take that much without deliberating side effects etc. ?? i guess that part is also genetic being able to tolerate such mega doses.

 

[luki7788]

How do they take that much without deliberating side effects etc. ?? i guess that part is also genetic being able to tolerate such mega doses.

When you do this for years for over a decade at some point even 2 grams of testosterone feels as normal to you as a TRT dose. Same with growth hormone, same with everything.

Your tolerance to side effects increases, your body adapts, and it starts to accept that pathological state as something normal.
If you’ve been on it for 5, 10, or more years, you just get used to it.

The body always tries to find homeostasis.

 

[Ranchhand]

Chad Nicholls is my #1 favorite prep coach. He has no attitude about it, just knows what to do with the big guys. This was a great candid interview. Some good take aways. Thanks Dom, great job.

 

[fredmac82]

Great podcast! I was surprised to hear the conversation about generic GH vs Pharma. Chad did not sound like he was a fan of the generic GH, but I think we have fairly good quality generic GH options now.

 

[luki7788]

Great podcast! I was surprised to hear the conversation about generic GH vs Pharma. Chad did not sound like he was a fan of the generic GH, but I think we have fairly good quality generic GH options now.

I listened to the whole podcast, and about the GH topic the difference between generic and pharma I completely disagree with Chad. He’s from the old-school generation and still stuck in that old myth. He even said that sometimes generic GH is actually HCG for example or just fake which just shows he doesn’t understand how different things are now.

These days no one is really faking GH like that anymore you can easily test and verify what product you have in a lab. His era and the current era are two completely different worlds.

 

[Fleezy]

Hope this is okay to post up. About 6-7 weeks ago started a podcast with my friend/client Chris Massaro who turned pro at USAs. Chris and I always had great conversation so we said screw it, lets do a podcast. Had our first guest on last night, Chad Nicholls. This was probably the most indepth podcast Chad has ever done. We went into PEDS, what he would do specifically with some of the guys today like Nick, Samson. Also goes into training, mentality, big ramy, ronnie coleman, and so much more. This was a blast and info packed! We will be having him on again soon for a part 2, along with so many other heavy hitter guests!

his story regarding his health episodes sound very farfetched

 

[fredmac82]

I listened to the whole podcast, and about the GH topic the difference between generic and pharma I completely disagree with Chad. He’s from the old-school generation and still stuck in that old myth. He even said that sometimes generic GH is actually HCG for example or just fake which just shows he doesn’t understand how different things are now.

These days no one is really faking GH like that anymore you can easily test and verify what product you have in a lab. His era and the current era are two completely different worlds.

Thanks for the clarification, Luki. I went back and listened to that part of the podcast again, and you're right—Chad did mention that some generic GH can be fake or even substituted with HCG. I feel like that used to be a bigger issue, but today most GH providers have Jano lab results available, and many people are even sending off the GH they order for independent testing. As long as the generic GH is legitimate, I don’t think there’s a significant difference between high-quality generics and pharmacy-grade GH.

 

[rAJJIN]

Chad is a legend around here.
I remember seeing Kim at Golds Gym Springfield mo in 2000-2001 and I’ve never seen a human in that type of condition.

Now the talk of town is his youngest son.
Unreal strength. A high scool kid that was doing things most adults couldn’t. He for sure got the gift of strength.

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

I listened to the whole podcast, and about the GH topic the difference between generic and pharma I completely disagree with Chad. He’s from the old-school generation and still stuck in that old myth. He even said that sometimes generic GH is actually HCG for example or just fake which just shows he doesn’t understand how different things are now.

These days no one is really faking GH like that anymore you can easily test and verify what product you have in a lab. His era and the current era are two completely different worlds.

Thats why he said today there are quite a bit of "real generic GH".He was explaining an experience that happened with a client.

There is a completely different look on stage with generic vs real pharm. No arguing that, I have seen it way too many times

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

his story regarding his health episodes sound very farfetched

It's not, because I remember when it was all going on. I remember when the spider bite even first happened, he posted about it on his story as well. The rest just happened over time.

 

[traininsane11]

Thats why he said today there are quite a bit of "real generic GH".He was explaining an experience that happened with a client.

There is a completely different look on stage with generic vs real pharm. No arguing that, I have seen it way too many times

We need someone like @luki7788 as he’s probably about the most precise bodybuilder on the planet to run a test for this forum.

Period of time using pharma and then generic HGH and that being the only variable change and document the differences

 

[fredmac82]

We need someone like @luki7788 as he’s probably about the most precise bodybuilder on the planet to run a test for this forum.

Period of time using pharma and then generic HGH and that being the only variable change and document the differences

This would be cool to see if there's really a big difference. I wouldn't be surprised if @luki7788 has already done something like this before. He's super thorough and detailed, plus he doesn't mind experimenting on him self and sharing the results with us.

 

[luki7788]

This would be cool to see if there's really a big difference. I wouldn't be surprised if @luki7788 has already done something like this before. He's super thorough and detailed, plus he doesn't mind experimenting on him self and sharing the results with us.

I never used anything like that. In Europe, real pharma GH is very hard to get and extremely expensive. Honestly, unless you get it directly from a pharmacy, there’s a 99% chance it’s a fake product a perfect copy that looks exactly like the original, like Genotropin or Norditropin.

In the U.S., the situation with Serostim is completely different it’s much easier to get there, so more people use pharma GH. But honestly, if I’m being real, about 99% of bodybuilders, even pros, that I know today use generic GH.

 

[fredmac82]

I never used anything like that. In Europe, real pharma GH is very hard to get and extremely expensive. Honestly, unless you get it directly from a pharmacy, there’s a 99% chance it’s a fake product a perfect copy that looks exactly like the original, like Genotropin or Norditropin.

In the U.S., the situation with Serostim is completely different it’s much easier to get there, so more people use pharma GH. But honestly, if I’m being real, about 99% of bodybuilders, even pros, that I know today use generic GH.

Thank you @luki7788 for that insight. It does seem like the generic market for GH is what the majority of bodybuilders are using.

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

I never used anything like that. In Europe, real pharma GH is very hard to get and extremely expensive. Honestly, unless you get it directly from a pharmacy, there’s a 99% chance it’s a fake product a perfect copy that looks exactly like the original, like Genotropin or Norditropin.

In the U.S., the situation with Serostim is completely different it’s much easier to get there, so more people use pharma GH. But honestly, if I’m being real, about 99% of bodybuilders, even pros, that I know today use generic GH.

Im glad you said that...I laugh a bit as everyone thinks they have real genos or nords because they come from Turkey.

Yes generics today are for sure way more common. Guys have no choice...serostim scripts have been cut down the past 1.5 year and getting american pharmacy Geno or Nord is like seeing a unicorn

To add, and im pretty sure ive posted it before. Ive done them all in self experiment...serostim was good, genos and nords were next level. All from script with US pharmacy. Noticeable changes within days to skin on my face, muscle roundness, I actually looked drier VS seriatim or generic. Overtime just got better and better.

Ive also had clients now that ive seen use true pharmacy GH and generic (the same people)...and the difference was very clear

However, I will say unless someone is bodybuilding at high level and has the income. As no one should run themselves broke for any of this. Use generic...dont waste your money on pharmacy grade. Its strictly cosmetic benefits when comparing the two and when you stop it, it goes away anyway.

 

[specter]

I never used anything like that. In Europe, real pharma GH is very hard to get and extremely expensive. Honestly, unless you get it directly from a pharmacy, there’s a 99% chance it’s a fake product a perfect copy that looks exactly like the original, like Genotropin or Norditropin.

In the U.S., the situation with Serostim is completely different it’s much easier to get there, so more people use pharma GH. But honestly, if I’m being real, about 99% of bodybuilders, even pros, that I know today use generic GH.

Also lets say you get som Norditropin that looks real, you get it labtestet and it shows actual numbers, you would still have 0 chance of knowing if its "pharma gh" or chinese generic GH if its up to snuff quality wise.. 4iu of gh is 4iu of gh.. same with quality, we tested some chinese stuff that was on par with pharma standard.