Podcast with Chad Nicholls- Tell All

[luki7788]

Also lets say you get som Norditropin that looks real, you get it labtestet and it shows actual numbers, you would still have 0 chance of knowing if its "pharma gh" or chinese generic GH if its up to snuff quality wise.. 4iu of gh is 4iu of gh.. same with quality, we tested some chinese stuff that was on par with pharma standard.

But that’s exactly what I’m talking about. Pharma GH is perfectly counterfeited. The copies are impossible to tell apart from the real thing.

The product can even be good, because inside it’s often just generic GH anyway. You take it thinking it’s real pharma, and your mind convinces you that you’re seeing better results but it’s all just placebo and good luck.

 

[fredmac82]

Im glad you said that...I laugh a bit as everyone thinks they have real genos or nords because they come from Turkey.

Yes generics today are for sure way more common. Guys have no choice...serostim scripts have been cut down the past 1.5 year and getting american pharmacy Geno or Nord is like seeing a unicorn

To add, and im pretty sure ive posted it before. Ive done them all in self experiment...serostim was good, genos and nords were next level. All from script with US pharmacy. Noticeable changes within days to skin on my face, muscle roundness, I actually looked drier VS seriatim or generic. Overtime just got better and better.

Ive also had clients now that ive seen use true pharmacy GH and generic (the same people)...and the difference was very clear

However, I will say unless someone is bodybuilding at high level and has the income. As no one should run themselves broke for any of this. Use generic...dont waste your money on pharmacy grade. Its strictly cosmetic benefits when comparing the two and when you stop it, it goes away anyway.

Great post! I appreciate you and Luki giving your input on the generic vs Pharma debate. I like your point about "no one should run themselves broke".

 

[Alzadosghost]

That is sad, but on the flip side you have people like that dumb ass Lee priest talkin about 200mg deca a week and maybe a couple winny shots to get ready for a comp or Eddie Abbew that absolute muppet.. there is alot of lying ass former pro´s so i get why people are callin people out, instead of lying out their ass they just shouldnt say anything that muddies the waters i love when we have former pro´s telling it like it is and talkin about dumb ass shit they did to know where the limit is, John Meadows even talked several times about doing stupid drug related shit.

I like Lee too but he’s always been full of shit about his gear usage. Same as tom platz. Just full of shit.

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

Also lets say you get som Norditropin that looks real, you get it labtestet and it shows actual numbers, you would still have 0 chance of knowing if its "pharma gh" or chinese generic GH if its up to snuff quality wise.. 4iu of gh is 4iu of gh.. same with quality, we tested some chinese stuff that was on par with pharma standard.

Great point...The counterfeits dont look the same if youve had the real ones today...between the boxes, the pens, the feel, how it's printed. Most havnt seen those ever...I have a friend who is currently getting Nordtropin prescribed to him as hes 70+ and his doctor writes him for "anti aging", will post up pics when he gets them so you all can see as well.

I understand when the testing says 4iu...but the look that it produces just isnt the same. Believe me, I would love for everyone to save money and just take more generics than any pharmacy at all if they were equal. But with seeing it first hand so many damn times, I just cant. Again, unless your high level BB or have a ton of income you can throw away, stick with generics. I myself am now currently using 2iu of generic, just because I no longer compete nor have any visual physique goal and I can easily get pharm grade, but id rather invest that money as the cosmetic benefits are of no use to me.

 

[rAJJIN]

Great point...The counterfeits dont look the same if youve had the real ones today...between the boxes, the pens, the feel, how it's printed. Most havnt seen those ever...I have a friend who is currently getting Nordtropin prescribed to him as hes 70+ and his doctor writes him for "anti aging", will post up pics when he gets them so you all can see as well.

I understand when the testing says 4iu...but the look that it produces just isnt the same. Believe me, I would love for everyone to save money and just take more generics than any pharmacy at all if they were equal. But with seeing it first hand so many damn times, I just cant. Again, unless your high level BB or have a ton of income you can throw away, stick with generics. I myself am now currently using 2iu of generic, just because I no longer compete nor have any visual physique goal and I can easily get pharm grade, but id rather invest that money as the cosmetic benefits are of no use to me.

Would you say this only applies to hgh
Or also to anabolic steroids? As far as any noticeable cosmetic difference?
I know it’s been beat to death. But I would be curious your thoughts.

 

[aDw32]

Im glad you said that...I laugh a bit as everyone thinks they have real genos or nords because they come from Turkey.

Yes generics today are for sure way more common. Guys have no choice...serostim scripts have been cut down the past 1.5 year and getting american pharmacy Geno or Nord is like seeing a unicorn

To add, and im pretty sure ive posted it before. Ive done them all in self experiment...serostim was good, genos and nords were next level. All from script with US pharmacy. Noticeable changes within days to skin on my face, muscle roundness, I actually looked drier VS seriatim or generic. Overtime just got better and better.

Ive also had clients now that ive seen use true pharmacy GH and generic (the same people)...and the difference was very clear

However, I will say unless someone is bodybuilding at high level and has the income. As no one should run themselves broke for any of this. Use generic...dont waste your money on pharmacy grade. Its strictly cosmetic benefits when comparing the two and when you stop it, it goes away anyway.

I gave up because, after all, I repeatedly said here that 'HPLC shows the same thing,' that most of the 'pharma' we compare is generic...

That until we pull it out of the pharmacy ourselves, it's crap, not pharma...

I experienced myself what you're talking about... But I've already given up trying to convince anyone.

Most people were comparing pharma (from dealer) vs generic = generic vs generic.

Genotropin personally pulled out of the pharmacy simply works differently. PERIOD. And I don't give a damn about studies, HPLC, etc.

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

Would you say this only applies to hgh
Or also to anabolic steroids? As far as any noticeable cosmetic difference?
I know it’s been best to death. But I would be curious your thoughts.

These days if I was BB? id rather have a solid UGL than pharm grade because the pharmacy grade products became kind of obselete with scripts and so many counterfeits.

Years back I remember using true Karachi sust amps, desma/zambon winstrol, alavan anadrol (my all time favorite), upsher smith anavar, halotestin (androxy) by upsher smith I think it was, Iranian test- which all were 1000% for sure real. The difference between those and UGL was undeniable... Even back than I had pretty damn good UGL sources luckily, so I was able to compare them. Pharmacy industry has changed too I think. In 2020 I did 1 gram of sun Pharma test from CVS, and my levels were below 1,000 lol, doctor tested 2x to make sure the lab was correct.

 

[iron lifter]

Thats why he said today there are quite a bit of "real generic GH".He was explaining an experience that happened with a client.

There is a completely different look on stage with generic vs real pharm. No arguing that, I have seen it way too many times

what is it, a different pop to the muscles, i heard generics may make one retain a smoother look etc vs pharma?

 

[Swifto]

These days if I was BB? id rather have a solid UGL than pharm grade because the pharmacy grade products became kind of obselete with scripts and so many counterfeits.

Years back I remember using true Karachi sust amps, desma/zambon winstrol, alavan anadrol (my all time favorite), upsher smith anavar, halotestin (androxy) by upsher smith I think it was, Iranian test- which all were 1000% for sure real. The difference between those and UGL was undeniable... Even back than I had pretty damn good UGL sources luckily, so I was able to compare them. Pharmacy industry has changed too I think. In 2020 I did 1 gram of sun Pharma test from CVS, and my levels were below 1,000 lol, doctor tested 2x to make sure the lab was correct.

Wow... Zambon Winstrol, Virormone Test Prop, Omnadren 250, original Naps Dianabol, Schering Test Enan - now we're talking.

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

Wow... Zambon Winstrol, Virormone Test Prop, Omnadren 250, original Naps Dianabol, Schering Test Enan - now we're talking.

Naps dbol were before my time I think! but man, Iforgot about the omnadrens!!!! Those were phenominal as well!

 

[btails]

Naps dbol were before my time I think! but man, Iforgot about the omnadrens!!!! Those were phenominal as well!

What are your thoughts on the omnadren currently available?

 

[oldskater]

What are your thoughts on the omnadren currently available?

Pretty positive thats been discontinued. I personally would assume theyre counterfeit

 

[iron lifter]

Naps dbol were before my time I think! but man, Iforgot about the omnadrens!!!! Those were phenominal as well!

good old jelfa amps.

Question i am not sure many know the beginnings of how Chad learned all his knowledge. Was it just trial and error, or did he compete and have a mentor who taught him everything he knew? maybe next time if u can ask him how he got started in the early days, i know he coached his wife and learned a lot from her but to than train the big guys he must have some more advanced knowledge picked up along the way.

thanks it was a great podcast..

 

[btails]

Pretty positive thats been discontinued. I personally would assume theyre counterfeit

Wow, ok that's news to me. Thanks

 

[iron lifter]

Wow, ok that's news to me. Thanks

They are out there, but they are counterfeited, filled with UGL stuff and passed off as omndaren.

 

[M@NU]

We need someone like @luki7788 as he’s probably about the most precise bodybuilder on the planet to run a test for this forum.

Period of time using pharma and then generic HGH and that being the only variable change and document the differences

i am by far not as precise or as advanced as Luki, but i have some experience with all different brands of HGH.
I would say some years ago (probably 6-7 years+) there was a difference between generics and pharma. But the reason isnt that pharma HGH is some magic but simply that the generics back then were of lower quality - higher dimer and lower purity.
For a very long time i was convinced pharma is better. Maybe because ive paid a shitload for legit pharma
hgh (i had a source for german pharmacy humatrope and genotropin) I WANTED it to be better. But now, being generic HGH is widely available in great quality,
i would say there is next to no difference. I currently still run QSC hgh and i can not tell a difference to the pharma ones ive used before

 

[Fleezy]

It's not, because I remember when it was all going on. I remember when the spider bite even first happened, he posted about it on his story as well. The rest just happened over time.

a 'major stroke' where you don't suffer any cognitive or physical impairments?


that's not how strokes generally work..

 

[Elvia1023]

What are your thoughts on the omnadren currently available?

Pretty positive thats been discontinued. I personally would assume theyre counterfeit

They are made by PharmaSwiss now. Plenty of fake ones about just like with the Jelfa amps. Literally no better than any good UG sust or similar blend. I have used them all. People just seem to love the pharm packaging and glass amps. Guys would go on about Norma Hellas Deca as well like it was a different compound to UG deca... no different just in glass amps with a brand. Zambon winny from Spain... the same thing... I used those as well. Bayer, Geofman, Aburaihan... all good stuff I have used many times and no different than any good UG brand.

Things definitely have a much bigger impact in your first 5 years of gear usage and that is a big factor. You don't get many guys transforming on pharma AAS now because they have been using AAS for 20-30 years. It's not because pharma companies suddenly stopped being able to manufacture good steroids. Our bodies process drugs very different at 40 on our 30th blast compared to 23 adding in adrol for the first time.

Look at how many guy aged 40-60 you have on the forums and they say how steroids were different in the 90's-00's. How they used to transform and they are different today. Do people really think drugs that are easy to manufacture just suddenly disappeared and all the good stuff doesn't exist. Granted there is a lot more crap now and fakes years ago weren't a thing so that is a big factor but if you have a good product it's still good now just like it was in 1994 or 2009. Give some of your gear you don't think is amazing to a newbie and watch him transform in a few weeks.

 

[MajinBoo]

Im glad you said that...I laugh a bit as everyone thinks they have real genos or nords because they come from Turkey.

Yes generics today are for sure way more common. Guys have no choice...serostim scripts have been cut down the past 1.5 year and getting american pharmacy Geno or Nord is like seeing a unicorn

To add, and im pretty sure ive posted it before. Ive done them all in self experiment...serostim was good, genos and nords were next level. All from script with US pharmacy. Noticeable changes within days to skin on my face, muscle roundness, I actually looked drier VS seriatim or generic. Overtime just got better and better.

Ive also had clients now that ive seen use true pharmacy GH and generic (the same people)...and the difference was very clear

However, I will say unless someone is bodybuilding at high level and has the income. As no one should run themselves broke for any of this. Use generic...dont waste your money on pharmacy grade. Its strictly cosmetic benefits when comparing the two and when you stop it, it goes away anyway.

Considering that fast changes, I would say one can use generic HGH for most of the year and save some money for the last 8 weeks of prep to buy real pharma HGH. Have you ever had clients following such approach?

 

[bbxtreme]

Considering that fast changes, I would say one can use generic HGH for most of the year and save some money for the last 8 weeks of prep to buy real pharma HGH. Have you ever had clients following such approach?

This is pretty much what I do. I use UGL HGH all year until 8-10 weeks out and then move to pharma. I don’t think it’s necessary, but is an edge if one can afford it.