Podcast with Chad Nicholls- Tell All

[Fleezy]

This is pretty much what I do. I use UGL HGH all year until 8-10 weeks out and then move to pharma. I don’t think it’s necessary, but is an edge if one can afford it.

made a big difference in your physique huh

 

[bbxtreme]

made a big difference in your physique huh

Enough to keep doing it.

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

absolutely, especially considering these past few years pharm GH has become very hard to get

Considering that fast changes, I would say one can use generic HGH for most of the year and save some money for the last 8 weeks of prep to buy real pharma HGH. Have you ever had clients following such approach?

 

[specter]

They are made by PharmaSwiss now. Plenty of fake ones about just like with the Jelfa amps. Literally no better than any good UG sust or similar blend. I have used them all. People just seem to love the pharm packaging and glass amps. Guys would go on about Norma Hellas Deca as well like it was a different compound to UG deca... no different just in glass amps with a brand. Zambon winny from Spain... the same thing... I used those as well. Bayer, Geofman, Aburaihan... all good stuff I have used many times and no different than any good UG brand.

Things definitely have a much bigger impact in your first 5 years of gear usage and that is a big factor. You don't get many guys transforming on pharma AAS now because they have been using AAS for 20-30 years. It's not because pharma companies suddenly stopped being able to manufacture good steroids. Our bodies process drugs very different at 40 on our 30th blast compared to 23 adding in adrol for the first time.

Look at how many guy aged 40-60 you have on the forums and they say how steroids were different in the 90's-00's. How they used to transform and they are different today. Do people really think drugs that are easy to manufacture just suddenly disappeared and all the good stuff doesn't exist. Granted there is a lot more crap now and fakes years ago weren't a thing so that is a big factor but if you have a good product it's still good now just like it was in 1994 or 2009. Give some of your gear you don't think is amazing to a newbie and watch him transform in a few weeks.

People forget history, in Spain years ago we are talkin like 15 years ago, the police hit a major operation who among other things copied Testex amps i believe it was pharma grade test c, the amp where so well made that only way they could see the difference was under a microscope they could se the ink on the amps was different then real pharma.. thats 15 years ago.. cut to now when we just a few years ago saw Norditropin 45iu cartridges come out of Poland made so insanely only way to see the difference was holding an actual real cartridge beside it, everything was the same down to the brail writing on the carboard box.

 

[carbs]

Is it just me but hearing about the crazy dosages of HGH I immediately think $$$$$$ It's crazy money. Must be every cent they have.
Unless this is going to make you money it just feels like throwing money down the toilet

Put that money into Bitcoin/stocks/real estate and HODL for 10 years motherfuckers.

But I can only assume there comes a point when yeah their physiques make them tons of money or they realise it won't and stop wasting it.
Surely some guys wake up at 45 broke and full of health issues

 

[luki7788]

Is it just me but hearing about the crazy dosages of HGH I immediately think $$$$$$ It's crazy money. Must be every cent they have.
Unless this is going to make you money it just feels like throwing money down the toilet

Put that money into Bitcoin/stocks/real estate and HODL for 10 years motherfuckers.

But I can only assume there comes a point when yeah their physiques make them tons of money or they realise it won't and stop wasting it.
Surely some guys wake up at 45 broke and full of health issues

Most of them get HGH from sponsors for free, so money is not an issue.

 

[Massive G]

Bodybuilding is the one sport where people think doses are related closely to performance outcomes. It’s kind of funny. The steroid era in baseball didn’t have 3 guys on every team throwing 100+mph. Football, basketball, etc. The only time you see a difference is when someone is totally clean vs someone competing on drugs.

People are somehow delusional when it comes to growing muscle… yet this generation has the most access to drugs in history, and the fewest number of huge dudes (per capita) ever.

Genetics are king. Marry them with food, drugs, and training… and you have a monster.

In my teens and 20’s, most gyms I trained at had a least a few “Holy shit!” big guys. It was way easier to find guys who looked like they were mega dosing. Today? I rarely see anyone around here as big as I am… and I’m not huge by competitor standards.

Guys used to train harder, sweat harder, eat more, eat consistently, and take whatever drugs they could get, which wasn’t a ton.

The culture is just centered around drugs now. There are kids at my gym who are on drugs that wouldn’t be accused of lifting if they wore a tshirt out in public.

Funny thing is, nobody wants to hear it. Nobody wants to believe it. It’s a purposeful denial.

People accept they won’t turn into Michael Jordan, Herschel Walker, or Nolan Ryan… yet the Olympians are only there because they have enough balls to mega dose? It just doesn’t make sense. Lol

This post should be a sticky alone. Still will fall on deaf ears.

 

[Massive G]

Most of them get HGH from sponsors for free, so money is not an issue.

That and most connected people can get 100 iu GH from China in a domestic warehouse for 40 to 60 bucks. The phrase take as much GH as you can afford gives me pause. I could afford 100 iu a day and call BS. We had several members taking 50 iu a day on here and one is no longer with us.

 

[Massive G]

I didn’t watch the podcast yet, but I have to it’s a must-watch for me.
I do it tomorrow, I just didn’t have time before.

But about those 36 IU of GH per day it makes me laugh when people say they don’t believe it.
I personally know a few German guys who actually do that, so the Chad was 100% telling the truth.

What really makes me laugh is when I see some pros in podcasts saying they use 6–8 IU of GH.
Come on, that’s a joke. Nobody counts it like that.
The truth is every real bodybuilder who I know just takes a full vial a day.
The ones with less money take one vial (around 10 IU).
The ones with more money take two vials. And some even take three.

Nobody is playing with 4, 6, or 8 IU they just take 1, 2, or 3 vials, depending on what they can afford.
That’s the truth. Let’s not pretend otherwise.
Especially in the pro league everyone pushes to the limit.
The level is crazy high, competitors are freaks, and you really have to push everything if you want to stay competitive.

If you don’t, you just have to accept that you won’t be winning.

Some of the biggest pros from the 90s and early 2000s never even got lose to the doses we see today including no huge doses of insulin. Things started to ramp up in the 2004 range.

 

[Massive G]

Well Levrone only trained for 20 minutes out of the year to get ready for the O

Not really kevin built his mass on heavy food heavy doses of aas at that time and small amounts of GH humatrope and protrope were the pharma versions back in the early to mid 90s. If you were crazy enough there was rhessus monkey GH and Russian GH from cadavers. Lived in MD and saw the early Kevin at 270 squatting 700 barefoot deading 600 benching 550 etc in old powerhousegym in gleburnie. Hungry as an animal back then. Yea later on he trained like 6 weeks. But he morphed like a change ling. He completely transformed to a normal dude after shows stopped training juicing eating and would just be out partying all the time. Probably what led to the pecs tear back injury and torn triceps that eventually cut his career short. But all that time off is probably why he's healthy today. Unlike flex nasser etc.

 

[Massive G]

Hope this is okay to post up. About 6-7 weeks ago started a podcast with my friend/client Chris Massaro who turned pro at USAs. Chris and I always had great conversation so we said screw it, lets do a podcast. Had our first guest on last night, Chad Nicholls. This was probably the most indepth podcast Chad has ever done. We went into PEDS, what he would do specifically with some of the guys today like Nick, Samson. Also goes into training, mentality, big ramy, ronnie coleman, and so much more. This was a blast and info packed! We will be having him on again soon for a part 2, along with so many other heavy hitter guests!

Great podcast. Thank you.

 

[madg]

Most of them get HGH from sponsors for free, so money is not an issue.

agree but most of them fuck them selfs up also and sorry to say not have the muscle to show for it

 

[madg]

Some of the biggest pros from the 90s and early 2000s never even got lose to the doses we see today including no huge doses of insulin. Things started to ramp up in the 2004 range.

Best era for me by far

 

[carbs]

Most of them get HGH from sponsors for free, so money is not an issue.

That's awesome.

I knew it had to be something

Running the math on dosages the figures are astonishing along with anabolics and food etc.

 

[Aikman56]

I listened to the whole podcast, and about the GH topic the difference between generic and pharma I completely disagree with Chad. He’s from the old-school generation and still stuck in that old myth. He even said that sometimes generic GH is actually HCG for example or just fake which just shows he doesn’t understand how different things are now.

These days no one is really faking GH like that anymore you can easily test and verify what product you have in a lab. His era and the current era are two completely different worlds.

But what do you think about the opinions that some critics of generics espouse around fillers/carriers?

I’ll try to be more specific… I work in medical sales, specifically glaucoma. I know that different brands of latanoprost/prostaglandin analogs have different efficacy rates with regard to lowering interocular pressure. The molecule can be exactly the same, the same concentration, and/or the same dosage; but the vehicle in which it’s delivered, and other chemical binders in a particular brand can lend themselves to in increasing or decreasing efficacy.

Do you see this as being a possibility/issue with generic versus branded growth hormone? Could that be where people like Chad are seeing a discrepancy and just chalking it up to “all of the genetics are fake”?

 

[Aikman56]

Thats why he said today there are quite a bit of "real generic GH".He was explaining an experience that happened with a client.

There is a completely different look on stage with generic vs real pharm. No arguing that, I have seen it way too many times

Echo my question here to my post above… Do you think that could be a factor?

 

[luki7788]

But what do you think about the opinions that some critics of generics espouse around fillers/carriers?

I’ll try to be more specific… I work in medical sales, specifically glaucoma. I know that different brands of latanoprost/prostaglandin analogs have different efficacy rates with regard to lowering interocular pressure. The molecule can be exactly the same, the same concentration, and/or the same dosage; but the vehicle in which it’s delivered, and other chemical binders in a particular brand can lend themselves to in increasing or decreasing efficacy.

Do you see this as being a possibility/issue with generic versus branded growth hormone? Could that be where people like Chad are seeing a discrepancy and just chalking it up to “all of the genetics are fake”?

Honestly, what I think doesn’t really matter. I’m not someone whose opinion should be treated like something special, at least that’s how I see it.

I always compare generic GH vs. pharma GH to a piece of beef. Let’s say a nice filet steak. And the same chef cooks it the same way. The difference is simple. In one case, the chef is working in a famous high-end restaurant. In the other case, he’s cooking the exact same steak in your kitchen.
Same chef, same meat, same method. The only difference is that in the fancy restaurant you pay five times more just because of the name and the place.
Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s how I see it.

 

[specter]

 

[nothuman]

Bodybuilding is the one sport where people think doses are related closely to performance outcomes. It’s kind of funny. The steroid era in baseball didn’t have 3 guys on every team throwing 100+mph. Football, basketball, etc. The only time you see a difference is when someone is totally clean vs someone competing on drugs.

People are somehow delusional when it comes to growing muscle… yet this generation has the most access to drugs in history, and the fewest number of huge dudes (per capita) ever.

Genetics are king. Marry them with food, drugs, and training… and you have a monster.

In my teens and 20’s, most gyms I trained at had a least a few “Holy shit!” big guys. It was way easier to find guys who looked like they were mega dosing. Today? I rarely see anyone around here as big as I am… and I’m not huge by competitor standards.

Guys used to train harder, sweat harder, eat more, eat consistently, and take whatever drugs they could get, which wasn’t a ton.

The culture is just centered around drugs now. There are kids at my gym who are on drugs that wouldn’t be accused of lifting if they wore a tshirt out in public.

Funny thing is, nobody wants to hear it. Nobody wants to believe it. It’s a purposeful denial.

People accept they won’t turn into Michael Jordan, Herschel Walker, or Nolan Ryan… yet the Olympians are only there because they have enough balls to mega dose? It just doesn’t make sense. Lol

You always articulate the thoughts in my head so well

 

[BIG1512]

That was a good podcast!! You done a great job