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Possible kidney issues, GFR 35

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Check examine.com maybe I seem to recall that they aren't sure if it's hard on the kidneys. But doctors recommend against creatine kind of because "just to be safe".
Maybe there is more current data, don't know. Just like they recommend against protein shakes. Why would protein in shakes be toxic yet food not? It's about dose, same protein in both, the docs assume the shakes will be overdosed by the patient. Of course in hospital settings patients who can't eat will be getting "shakes", unless they can't take any protein at the moment. If this is wrong on my part let me know, I'm not a doctor :D
With protein shakes, I think it is the barrage and subsequent load that is thrust upon the kidneys rather than protein that is in food or a meal that is accompanies by fats, carbs, fiber, etc that gets processed much more slowly. I believe that is far different than 40-80g of protein from a shake that is dumped into the system when dealing with kidneys that are less than healthy.
 
Damn that is insane !!
Horrible story
But thanks for sharing it

All good man I think you ARE handling this with an appropriate tone and urgency. Like I said there are literally hundreds of threads on bbing. com of 15-30 year olds who legit were told they are dying.

My personal story (you can search threads I've made on kidney stuff) was a doctor sending me to the ER and they had me seeing a counselor to deal with end stage renal disease when I was 20. They told me I had maybe a year without a transplant due to one bad creatinine reading. I'm now 37 and my egfr is over 120 using cystatin c and creatinine. All other bloods are picture perfect. It caused me to spend over $50,000 of cash out of pocket seeing specialist after specialist the last 17 years. At one point I flew to Sacramento from Ohio to see a nephrologist. I didn't believe him when he told me I was fine so I went to a specialist in NYC. I continued this trend. Roughly counting I've seen ~20 different nephrologists. Part of me still thinks I'm dying of ESRD. So...I'm the other side of the spectrum where things are fine and it cost me my family (lost first fiance over this issue and the stressed it caused), all my savings, time, effort, etc. to prove I have CKD..when I don't.

I finally saw a good shrink and have a great nephrologist (I pay all out of pocket since I have no kidney issue). I, of course, am the far other end of the spectum and it's related to severe health anxiety disorder and OCD combined with a few doctors who were f*cking quacks feeding into those fears. I also worked with nephrologists so that made me extra paranoid (I work in orthopedics now).
 
Mike, I want everything to work out good for you, my friend. I am taking the astralgus as well. 4 in the morning and 4 at night. When Doggcrapp first posted info on kidneys, I got some immediately. I see in those studies the people were taking 15g day! Did I read that correctly? If so, I am not taking enough!

jethro those are people at end stage kidney failure...that’s not you so you would not need to go to those lengths.
 
With protein shakes, I think it is the barrage and subsequent load that is thrust upon the kidneys rather than protein that is in food or a meal that is accompanies by fats, carbs, fiber, etc that gets processed much more slowly. I believe that is far different than 40-80g of protein from a shake that is dumped into the system when dealing with kidneys that are less than healthy.

Yeah but there's nothing that says your shake has to be that big. I mean a quart of milk is 34 grams here, it's not different from a whey/casein blend. When I was in the hospital with multiple organ failure, including kidneys, as I was finally eating and recovering I was served a few protein shakes a day. Of course I know there are different situations that all require different care - all I'm saying is that if you are cleared to eat and stay within the daily macros to me shakes don't logically seem more dangerous than say drinking some milk. In hospital they had many different RTDs, some high fat, some with lower protein, some with higher. I could pick and choose but they were a little stingy with me requesting extra shakes, I believe because those things are expensive! :D If I was rich I would buy those brands now, made by drug companies, because I would be more certain they were correctly dosed, as opposed to bb brands.
Of course post hospital I was adviced by my doc not to drink shakes or take any supplements. :D Then I even had a consult with a dietician the doc sent me to - her advice was "we all know what's good for us, but eat what you want, try to get your vegetables in and avoid too much sugar, but the main thing is that you feel good and avoid drastic changes in diet because they never hold long term":D

Again, not an expert, but to me protein should be protein pretty much, and shakes might even be advantageous in certain medical situations due to ease of digestion and high biological value etc. I think free form amino acid tablets are prescribed sometimes too for similar reasons. Now those things are expensive at the pharmacy.
 
Mike, I want everything to work out good for you, my friend. I am taking the astralgus as well. 4 in the morning and 4 at night. When Doggcrapp first posted info on kidneys, I got some immediately. I see in those studies the people were taking 15g day! Did I read that correctly? If so, I am not taking enough!
Hey my big Northern brother! Thanks for your hope, although most guys here are saying its hopeless, both Dr's Im talking to say they have seen plenty of people who have numbers like mine who recovered...especially with diet, Meds, and supps factored that can alter those numbers. Im taking all the info into account, doing what I have to do, and hoping for the best! Thank you again brother, and how are you!
 
Hey my big Northern brother! Thanks for your hope, although most guys here are saying its hopeless, both Dr's Im talking to say they have seen plenty of people who have numbers like mine who recovered...especially with diet, Meds, and supps factored that can alter those numbers. Im taking all the info into account, doing what I have to do, and hoping for the best! Thank you again brother, and how are you!

Just so you know, I am not saying that it is hopeless. What I am saying is that if you don't figure out what is going on immediately, it could easily get to the point where it is hopeless much quicker than you realize. Don't kid yourself into thinking that the huge decrease from 2018 to 2019 was a fluke and nothing is going on. But your window of opportunity to resolve that is running out. You are fortunate enough that you were able to catch things in time and you have a good chance that you can halt things and live a normal life most likely. But there is a reasonable chance that you won't if things do get worse.

Bottom line: I think there is a good chance you will be completely fine. But if you take your time figuring this out, I think there is a good chance you won't and you will regret it for the rest of your life. What do you have to lose by acting with more urgency?
 
Just so you know, I am not saying that it is hopeless. What I am saying is that if you don't figure out what is going on immediately, it could easily get to the point where it is hopeless much quicker than you realize. Don't kid yourself into thinking that the huge decrease from 2018 to 2019 was a fluke and nothing is going on. But your window of opportunity to resolve that is running out. You are fortunate enough that you were able to catch things in time and you have a good chance that you can halt things and live a normal life most likely. But there is a reasonable chance that you won't if things do get worse.

Bottom line: I think there is a good chance you will be completely fine. But if you take your time figuring this out, I think there is a good chance you won't and you will regret it for the rest of your life. What do you have to lose by acting with more urgency?
YEs bro, I am acting with urgency! Ive done 2 tons of research, talked to 2 Dr's extensively, read all in this post, made all the recommended changes,
scheduled a retest in 4wks including uring, asked for the number of a Nephrogolist (Im waiting for the Dr to call back with that) which I will schedule appt immediately after the retest around 8/21. If I am fortunate I will cancel that, if not I will be ready. Doing all I can. My test 1yr ago I loaded up on PWO supps and was taking the Meds that can affect the eGFR, just the same as this time. Im wishful but not naive. I take advice like yours, which is worst case senerio, and others which are not, and absorb it all.
 
Most nephrologists don't even know what astragalus is, they start recommending calcium binders like CA to patients in stage 4 or end stage renal failure, the concept of recovery isn't really even an option for many docs, especially in people with pretty compromised kidney function.

I'm not even sure how Dante figured out it's use in kidney compromised bodybuilders. If I was to go on examine and pull up herbal compounds with an affinity to improve x marker in the blood, it would be a science project to figure out where to start.

P.S- I don't exactly blame docs for this either, because very rarely do we see patients recovering from chronic kidney disease; most that have it; got it from uncontrolled diabetes and Htn, which is still poorly controlled after diagnosis, so decline continues to occur. Not the case with people concerned with their health like OP

You put the nail on the head. I just got very frustrated with so many guys coming to me with kidney problems asking for my help to get them out of it and seeing the "drop your protein to 75 grams a day" .....and take these two drugs and the "we will cross our fingers but the bottom line is its a downhill slope and your pretty much screwed" advice that doctors were giving them. So whenever I see a problem I will spend weeks trying to find the solution via all the science available, Pubmed and similiar. So I spent months researching if anything could regenerate the kidneys to any extent back years ago. People conveniently forget this stuff but I was one of the first guys proposing curcumin (CRP), citrus bergamot (lipids), hydro collagen (joint integrity), vitamin K2 (plaque), ashwaghanda (anxiety), pomegranate juice (plaque), carditone (blood pressure), IP6 (iron overload), and a slew of other stuff in the bbing industry and all of that came from "problems" i came across in trying to help people. I can absolutely guarantee I was the person who introduced HMG and the original "pregnancy protocol" to the bodybuilding industry and any longtime Intense Muscle readers can back me up on that because I was talking about Repronex HMG) being the key to everything pregnancy wise back in 2001-2002 as I had studied the patent when Repronex came available in 1999. I dont ever need a pat on the back but sometimes I get irritated when i see something I brought forward and its conveniently forgotten who brought that forward. Even some of you guys on this board (who are solely centered around this board and think there was nothing before it) forget that previous to this board I have been writing since 1989 all the way up on the net..... thru many boards and posts (Mayhem/IntenseMuscle/AOL/Animals kits/many places) before this board was started. Right now I saw a thread on facebook about "injectable slurries" and a guy cut and pasted my writeup on it word for word and posted it as if he typed it out and posted it as himself. Stuff like that irritates the hell out of me. But anyway i digress and went offsubject....here is a treat for Professional Muscle. Here is the exact recipe for what is going to become huge in a short time period. https://patents.justia.com/patent/20190192424 It will involve 10-20% glycerin/sterile water/-4.8 celcius /a mechanism such as an italian ice maker/snow cone maker to a velvety slurry...then sterility again and gently spinning. It has already been used on animals and 5.6 inches across and 2.5 centimeters deep of fat deep dissipating over 60 days is cryolipolysis at its finest. There is no harm to vascular or muscle entities unlike what can happen with Phosphatidylcholine and sodium deoxycholate . I was working on something with Dean St Mart on this subject but these Facebook guys are doing a ghetto version after researching my post so I have no qualms now. But again all this stuff I throw out there starts with problems that I set out to solve one way or another.
 
Laymans terms


I sure am looking forward to seeing how this all progresses! This is cutting edge info, whether it works or not....reminds me of the old days, lol. Of course, we want it to work safely, so i'm excited for it:cool:
 
Take a step back man

Your labs will be more important than the color of your urine when determining kidney disease. It's good to see health concern in guys, but let's not board the hypochondria train

Oh great, another thing I might have, ugh.
 
You put the nail on the head. I just got very frustrated with so many guys coming to me with kidney problems asking for my help to get them out of it and seeing the "drop your protein to 75 grams a day" .....and take these two drugs and the "we will cross our fingers but the bottom line is its a downhill slope and your pretty much screwed" advice that doctors were giving them. So whenever I see a problem I will spend weeks trying to find the solution via all the science available, Pubmed and similiar. So I spent months researching if anything could regenerate the kidneys to any extent back years ago. People conveniently forget this stuff but I was one of the first guys proposing curcumin (CRP), citrus bergamot (lipids), hydro collagen (joint integrity), vitamin K2 (plaque), ashwaghanda (anxiety), pomegranate juice (plaque), carditone (blood pressure), IP6 (iron overload), and a slew of other stuff in the bbing industry and all of that came from "problems" i came across in trying to help people. I can absolutely guarantee I was the person who introduced HMG and the original "pregnancy protocol" to the bodybuilding industry and any longtime Intense Muscle readers can back me up on that because I was talking about Repronex HMG) being the key to everything pregnancy wise back in 2001-2002 as I had studied the patent when Repronex came available in 1999. I dont ever need a pat on the back but sometimes I get irritated when i see something I brought forward and its conveniently forgotten who brought that forward. Even some of you guys on this board (who are solely centered around this board and think there was nothing before it) forget that previous to this board I have been writing since 1989 all the way up on the net..... thru many boards and posts (Mayhem/IntenseMuscle/AOL/Animals kits/many places) before this board was started. Right now I saw a thread on facebook about "injectable slurries" and a guy cut and pasted my writeup on it word for word and posted it as if he typed it out and posted it as himself. Stuff like that irritates the hell out of me. But anyway i digress and went offsubject....here is a treat for Professional Muscle. Here is the exact recipe for what is going to become huge in a short time period. https://patents.justia.com/patent/20190192424 It will involve 10-20% glycerin/sterile water/-4.8 celcius /a mechanism such as an italian ice maker/snow cone maker to a velvety slurry...then sterility again and gently spinning. It has already been used on animals and 5.6 inches across and 2.5 centimeters deep of fat deep dissipating over 60 days is cryolipolysis at its finest. There is no harm to vascular or muscle entities unlike what can happen with Phosphatidylcholine and sodium deoxycholate . I was working on something with Dean St Mart on this subject but these Facebook guys are doing a ghetto version after researching my post so I have no qualms now. But again all this stuff I throw out there starts with problems that I set out to solve one way or another.
Great post DC. I dont pretend to be on the level of education as you, but totally confirm that the guys who werent around way back dont know there always wasnt just cut and paste, or Google to find information. You had to dig deep and you had to think for yourself! I started studying in the Mid-80s finding all I could with no internet, talking with Dan Duchaine, reading and reading whatever scarce info that could be found. When the boards came out in the Mid 90s, I already knew my shit compared to most. And there was a core of us that came up with alot of the theories that are used or have been expanded on now. Using what little we could find without Google, and hypothesising. Im not going on about it but myself I came up with things that are common knowledge now but were non-existant back when. As did lots of guys. Everybody thinks they are a genius now, because they know how to cut and past and use Google. Not the same back when. But again, there are quite some educated guys around here.
 
I'd like to see some of these ghetto versions of the ice slurry :D If I understand correctly they are already injecting this? Any accounts on FB where I can see this?
 
You put the nail on the head. I just got very frustrated with so many guys coming to me with kidney problems asking for my help to get them out of it and seeing the "drop your protein to 75 grams a day" .....and take these two drugs and the "we will cross our fingers but the bottom line is its a downhill slope and your pretty much screwed" advice that doctors were giving them. So whenever I see a problem I will spend weeks trying to find the solution via all the science available, Pubmed and similiar. So I spent months researching if anything could regenerate the kidneys to any extent back years ago. People conveniently forget this stuff but I was one of the first guys proposing curcumin (CRP), citrus bergamot (lipids), hydro collagen (joint integrity), vitamin K2 (plaque), ashwaghanda (anxiety), pomegranate juice (plaque), carditone (blood pressure), IP6 (iron overload), and a slew of other stuff in the bbing industry and all of that came from "problems" i came across in trying to help people. I can absolutely guarantee I was the person who introduced HMG and the original "pregnancy protocol" to the bodybuilding industry and any longtime Intense Muscle readers can back me up on that because I was talking about Repronex HMG) being the key to everything pregnancy wise back in 2001-2002 as I had studied the patent when Repronex came available in 1999. I dont ever need a pat on the back but sometimes I get irritated when i see something I brought forward and its conveniently forgotten who brought that forward. Even some of you guys on this board (who are solely centered around this board and think there was nothing before it) forget that previous to this board I have been writing since 1989 all the way up on the net..... thru many boards and posts (Mayhem/IntenseMuscle/AOL/Animals kits/many places) before this board was started. Right now I saw a thread on facebook about "injectable slurries" and a guy cut and pasted my writeup on it word for word and posted it as if he typed it out and posted it as himself. Stuff like that irritates the hell out of me. But anyway i digress and went offsubject....here is a treat for Professional Muscle. Here is the exact recipe for what is going to become huge in a short time period. https://patents.justia.com/patent/20190192424 It will involve 10-20% glycerin/sterile water/-4.8 celcius /a mechanism such as an italian ice maker/snow cone maker to a velvety slurry...then sterility again and gently spinning. It has already been used on animals and 5.6 inches across and 2.5 centimeters deep of fat deep dissipating over 60 days is cryolipolysis at its finest. There is no harm to vascular or muscle entities unlike what can happen with Phosphatidylcholine and sodium deoxycholate . I was working on something with Dean St Mart on this subject but these Facebook guys are doing a ghetto version after researching my post so I have no qualms now. But again all this stuff I throw out there starts with problems that I set out to solve one way or another.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
 
I just got astralogus today, it looks like we are supposed to spit our dose into 2 dosages per day> with food or without for best absorption?
 
jethro those are people at end stage kidney failure...that’s not you so you would not need to go to those lengths.
Thanks, DOGCRAPP! I really appreciate the info! 👍🇺🇸
 
got results!
Urine ACR 33 (<30 is normal, thats still a good reading)
GFR 64 (>60 is normal)
Creatinine 1.2 (<1.2 normal)
urine ACR 33 (<30 normal, still a good number)

miraculous changes! Im good!

I discontinued:
insulin
Boldenone
Diclofenac (Nsaid)
Lisinopril (Hypertension med)
Creatine
reduced protein from 225g to 125g
added astragalus 3g

A winning formula!
Muscle96ss, happy to say YOU WERE WRONG! DC heres one for your records, keep a success story in mind.
But I very much thank you, and all the other brothers, for their input.
I am so grateful it was a worrisome few days since I got the bloods and urine.
God bless all of you and hope you have stories of health success as I have had.
 
got results!
Urine ACR 33 (<30 is normal, thats still a good reading)
GFR 64 (>60 is normal)
Creatinine 1.2 (<1.2 normal)
urine ACR 33 (<30 normal, still a good number)

miraculous changes! Im good!

I discontinued:
insulin
Boldenone
Diclofenac (Nsaid)
Lisinopril (Hypertension med)
Creatine
reduced protein from 225g to 125g
added astragalus 3g

A winning formula!
Muscle96ss, happy to say YOU WERE WRONG! DC heres one for your records, keep a success story in mind.
But I very much thank you, and all the other brothers, for their input.
I am so grateful it was a worrisome few days since I got the bloods and urine.
God bless all of you and hope you have stories of health success as I have had.
Great news bro !
Happy for you.
 
got results!
Urine ACR 33 (<30 is normal, thats still a good reading)
GFR 64 (>60 is normal)
Creatinine 1.2 (<1.2 normal)
urine ACR 33 (<30 normal, still a good number)

miraculous changes! Im good!

I discontinued:
insulin
Boldenone
Diclofenac (Nsaid)
Lisinopril (Hypertension med)
Creatine
reduced protein from 225g to 125g
added astragalus 3g

A winning formula!
Muscle96ss, happy to say YOU WERE WRONG! DC heres one for your records, keep a success story in mind.
But I very much thank you, and all the other brothers, for their input.
I am so grateful it was a worrisome few days since I got the bloods and urine.
God bless all of you and hope you have stories of health success as I have had.

Good to hear you are on the right track
 
Good to hear you are on the right track
Thank you DC, your advice on the astragalus was valuable... Have been taking 3g a day and going to keep on that regiment!
 

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