Pre workout GH. Insulin a must?

[GreenTLB6]

For the guys that run their entire dose of GH preworkout for size gain is it a must to use insulin preworkout as well?
I understand that we do this an hour or so pre to get the large igf spike during/after out workout.
I just started using GH about 6 weeks ago so I don't consider myself advanced enough to start dabbling with insulin yet. Want to get the most out if AAS and GH first before adding if necessary. The majority of my carbs are centered peri workout.
Thoughts?

 

[sammy555]

For size you want slin yes. I do gh pre and slin post with a load of carbs and protein though. Just as the gh is really working into system them boom. Spike the shit out of igf

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[GreenTLB6]

For size you want slin yes. I do gh pre and slin post with a load of carbs and protein though. Just as the gh is really working into system them boom. Spike the shit out of igf

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Oh yea I understand all that. But like I said in the original post im saving insulin for later down the line. In your opinion would it just be better to split GH am/PM then and not around the workout?

 

[Knight9]

Oh yea I understand all that. But like I said in the original post im saving insulin for later down the line. In your opinion would it just be better to split GH am/PM then and not around the workout?

No, it's fine pre. Slin is going to mingle with Gh and create a huge surge in IGF (which you don't get from using igf) and also shuttle your carbs more effectively. Slin also gives your pancreas a break from doing all the work.
...just some things to think about. It doesn't make sense holding out if you have serious goals now - unless you're young or just beginning.

 

[sammy555]

No, it's fine pre. Slin is going to mingle with Gh and create a huge surge in IGF (which you don't get from using igf) and also shuttle your carbs more effectively. Slin also gives your pancreas a break from doing all the work.
...just some things to think about. It doesn't make sense holding out if you have serious goals now - unless you're young or just beginning.

Agreed. Slin is a very powerful and versatile tool

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[GreenTLB6]

No, it's fine pre. Slin is going to mingle with Gh and create a huge surge in IGF (which you don't get from using igf) and also shuttle your carbs more effectively. Slin also gives your pancreas a break from doing all the work.
...just some things to think about. It doesn't make sense holding out if you have serious goals now - unless you're young or just beginning.

Good point. I would still consider myself very new to the GH stuff. 6 wks or so. So far loving the results. I do have lofty goals for the future but i'm def young and in no rush and have no plans of ever going pro but just being competitive. Right now everything is just a hobby for me. I don't want to blow it all out at once and put size on too fast and lose my lines. Eventually when training, moderate AAS use, low dose gh, and food stall out I would contemplate adding it then. I'm trying to be progressive with everything and insulin would most likely be the last thing I will add.

This was more just about whether it would be beneficial to take all pre workout without insulin or just split it am/pm like I am now...

 

[fryboy]

How do you calculate the amount or type of insulin needed? Sorry to hijack your thread.

 

[snrose07]

How do you calculate the amount or type of insulin needed? Sorry to hijack your thread.

Do not be offended by this, but this question is like asking how do you calculate how much weight and how many sets to do for a workout. If you question is starting off this basic, SOOO much can be answered if you just start researching and reading. An answer will mean nothing without understanding.

 

[Rome1]

I know mike arnold has a laid a couple things out on here. Like pre slin and pw hgh. But it obviously depends on goals, etc. For growth, a lot do slin pre and all hgh pw instead of split but again, there are more than one way to skin a cat and to each there own

 

[Knight9]

I know mike arnold has a laid a couple things out on here. Like pre slin and pw hgh. But it obviously depends on goals, etc. For growth, a lot do slin pre and all hgh pw instead of split but again, there are more than one way to skin a cat and to each there own

I'm not sure mike ever deemed post workout GH optimal. If he did at any point, he revised it at least once. I recall him saying it doesn't matter when....but there's rhyme and reason to when you should take GH and pre definitely makes plenty of sense in some/many cases. Almost everyone pinning gh post is just a sheep.