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Pre-workout stimulants (KillerStack, Elvia, little_slice or anyone of you who knows)

I don't know bro, but I would go by how you personally react. I drink coffee and feel I "need" it, mostly it's become a habit to have coffee in the morning, but at the same time I think it's a damn dirty stimulant. I think it drastically potentiates other stimulants - the negative effects especially. I just feel real crappy when taking in a lot of caffeine.
 
Yes it's definitely a dirty stimulant.

I've trained without my preworkout twice now and to be honest, it doesn't make even the slightest difference. I'm less tweaky yes but was I weaker or did I have less muscular endurance, not at all.

I think a fair conclusion here would be to advise you all to make yourself have ADHD, pass the tests and get on Adderall so you don't have to take those crappy preworkouts anymore :D

And apart from the caffeine, I highly doubt the fancy pump/endurance-ingredients such as Citrulline et al. do anything at all. It's one big placebo-hoax just like all of the legal supplements. Especially in the US, if something actually did anything, the FDA would have been all over it immediately. (think 1.3 DMAA)

Heck, even fish oil capsules were declared 'completely useless' in a recent Belgian study. Didn't have even the slightest health benefit according to the authors.
 

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