Prep cycle with no tren ideas

[Th3manmurph]

What would you guys run during a prep if tren wasn’t applicable in your life

 

[traininsane11]

The exact same cycle you’d run with tren minus the tren

Test
Mast
Primo
EQ

Take your pick

 

[bbxtreme]

If I was looking to win I’d find a way to use tren. Lol there is so substitute.

Can you get close with Test, Mast, Primo and pushing orals higher? Yes. But it still won’t be the same as tren IMO.

 

[Th3manmurph]

If I was looking to win I’d find a way to use tren. Lol there is so substitute.

Can you get close with Test, Mast, Primo and pushing orals higher? Yes. But it still won’t be the same as tren IMO.

It literally smokes my sleep I can take magnesium zinc gaba 30 mg melatonin and trasadone 50 and will be lucky to get 3 hrs of sleep

 

[bbxtreme]

It literally smokes my sleep I can take magnesium zinc gaba 30 mg melatonin and trasadone 50 and will be lucky to get 3 hrs of sleep

Read my histamine thread on here as that’s likely at play. Add glycine and up the magnesium as that will help with the increased dopamine.

Also using hex from 150-300mg max is plenty. Dosage does matter.

 

[luki7788]

Roman Fritz don’t use tren anymore. In prep he doing test,mast,vinstrol,and superdrol but only last 14-7 days before show

With tren everything are different but you can be in great shape without it with no problem

 

[BBlife]

I really think tren is key in a cut . I don’t cut without it

 

[npcout]

lower the dose, not a real suitable replacement but tons of work arounds.

 

[madg]

Test- eq
Into
Test- mast
Into
Test- mast - winstrol

 

[Th3manmurph]

Roman Fritz don’t use tren anymore. In prep he doing test,mast,vinstrol,and superdrol but only last 14-7 days before show

With tren everything are different but you can be in great shape without it with no problem

Yeah he was doing a g of test and primo till the last 2

 

[luki7788]

Yeah he was doing a g of test and primo till the last 2

He don’t use primo in contest prep but overall who’s cares

 

[Sambo44]

What would you guys run during a prep if tren wasn’t applicable in your life

Test , npp , masteron , winstrol

 

[Sambo44]

If I was looking to win I’d find a way to use tren. Lol there is so substitute.

Can you get close with Test, Mast, Primo and pushing orals higher? Yes. But it still won’t be the same as tren IMO.

Hey bbxtreme ,how do you think winstrol stacks up against tren in a cutting cycle if you have any experience with winstrol? ,I’ve heard some guys say winstrol is probably the best cutting steroid there is , you will just go bald and your joints will feel like a 80 year old man , but somehow you will look awesome on it never tried winny , I’m too hair loss prone for those dhts lol, although your on a much different level than many so just wondering your opinion

 

[Doitagain]

Hey bbxtreme ,how do you think winstrol stacks up against tren in a cutting cycle if you have any experience with winstrol? ,I’ve heard some guys say winstrol is probably the best cutting steroid there is , you will just go bald and your joints will feel like a 80 year old man , but somehow you will look awesome on it never tried winny , I’m too hair loss prone for those dhts lol, although your on a much different level than many so just wondering your opinion

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[Sambo44]

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Thank you , my fault, yep ,that’s what I heard from alot of people too , winny is a awesome cutter, even some claiming like I said many have already stated, winny is the best there is while on a cut , some try to compare winny with anavar ,my buddies who used both laugh and say winny and anavar are not even apples and oranges , more like apples and bowling balls lol , winny destroys anavar in everything, except more side effects, results wise ? Not even close , I won’t touch it because it’s a known hair killer , but a test , tren , winny stack sure sounds like a beast cycle lol , with right diet of course

 

[npcout]

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User dependent like a lot of things.

20mg halotestin transforms my physique more than 150mg of winni. Not sure what bb considers high dose win, but 150 is what I classify as high.

 

[BBlife]

What would you guys consider high dosage on winny?

 

[bbxtreme]

User dependent like a lot of things.

20mg halotestin transforms my physique more than 150mg of winni. Not sure what bb considers high dose win, but 150 is what I classify as high.

We push up to 200mg (my definition of high) the last 2 weeks before show. It’s also important to note though that we are dropping test/Mast around 2 weeks out, tren 1 week out and then really solely using orals.

I also utilize halo the last two weeks and have Anavar in until we flip it for superdrol one week out.

@Sambo44 you can’t achieve the look we have on stage at this level without pushing orals- more so than tren.

But what we do at the top level isn’t for a newbie, beach cut or 99% of the people here. I’m also doing injectable glutathione EOD and many other things to keep the body from not going over the rails as we are aiming to achieve a “look” for 24 hours that is unrealistic to maintain.

 

[Doitagain]

User dependent like a lot of things.

I showed Sambo44 that bbxtreme's opinion on the matter had already been posted several times, you're not replying to a statement of mine.
Just for clarification.

 

[juggy38]

It depends on what are we discussing? Retention of LBM? We don’t have drugs that do what trenbolone can do.

Anavar is close, as it has some aspects of glucocorticoid receptor antagonism/down regulation albeit a different MOA of trenbolone.

But tren also tinkers with intra cellular IGF responsiveness and PPAR gama.

For looks….winstrol is probably the most potent “dick skin” look drug.