Prep cycle with no tren ideas

[Big Dave Smith]

If you track your macros, energy expenditure, and collect all the data surrounding the variables of your prep… there is 100% no need for tren.

If you can use it, it’s super helpful… but if someone can’t prep without it, that’s a reflection of poor planning.

The real issue for some probably comes from poor estrogen management. Guys try keeping test high throughout prep, which is tough to get away with. They’ll notice more fat loss as aromatizing compounds reduce or are eliminated, then notice a leap in body fat reduction when throwing in compounds that don’t aromatize. Those compounds also reduce and/or mitigate estrogen. When estrogen is managed well, fat loss is tremendously easier.

You could start prepping with higher test and lower non aromatizing compounds, gradually shifting from lower test and more non aromatizing compounds… and that shift alone will do most of the work.

If you can’t look crazy on mast, primo, and winstrol or anavar… tren isn’t going to solve any problems or make you place higher.

 

[BBlife]

If you track your macros, energy expenditure, and collect all the data surrounding the variables of your prep… there is 100% no need for tren.

If you can use it, it’s super helpful… but if someone can’t prep without it, that’s a reflection of poor planning.

The real issue for some probably comes from poor estrogen management. Guys try keeping test high throughout prep, which is tough to get away with. They’ll notice more fat loss as aromatizing compounds reduce or are eliminated, then notice a leap in body fat reduction when throwing in compounds that don’t aromatize. Those compounds also reduce and/or mitigate estrogen. When estrogen is managed well, fat loss is tremendously easier.

You could start prepping with higher test and lower non aromatizing compounds, gradually shifting from lower test and more non aromatizing compounds… and that shift alone will do most of the work.

If you can’t look crazy on mast, primo, and winstrol or anavar… tren isn’t going to solve any problems or make you place higher.

What dosage of test would you recommend on a cut ? Say if I’m already taking 600mg of tren and 600mg of mast . Would 750mg of test be good ? Or would you take it as low as maybe 500mg a week and keep the mast and tren dosage higher ?

 

[my_way]

If you track your macros, energy expenditure, and collect all the data surrounding the variables of your prep… there is 100% no need for tren.

If you can use it, it’s super helpful… but if someone can’t prep without it, that’s a reflection of poor planning.

The real issue for some probably comes from poor estrogen management. Guys try keeping test high throughout prep, which is tough to get away with. They’ll notice more fat loss as aromatizing compounds reduce or are eliminated, then notice a leap in body fat reduction when throwing in compounds that don’t aromatize. Those compounds also reduce and/or mitigate estrogen. When estrogen is managed well, fat loss is tremendously easier.

You could start prepping with higher test and lower non aromatizing compounds, gradually shifting from lower test and more non aromatizing compounds… and that shift alone will do most of the work.

If you can’t look crazy on mast, primo, and winstrol or anavar… tren isn’t going to solve any problems or make you place higher.

Have you had success in the offseason with lower test and higher non aromatizing compounds? Random question, but something I’ve been curious about, only person I know who has done it successfully was @madg

 

[Big Dave Smith]

What dosage of test would you recommend on a cut ? Say if I’m already taking 600mg of tren and 600mg of mast . Would 750mg of test be good ? Or would you take it as low as maybe 500mg a week and keep the mast and tren dosage higher ?

Impossible to say.

The best approach is analyze how you got there.

Traditionally, I usually have a “health phase”, or phase where I’m solely using low to moderate test and low GH. Say around 200-400mg test and 2-4iu GH. From there, adding in things slowly over the course of months to reach a peak mg total, say around 2-2.5g. It’s much easier to determine personal responses and make decisions.

Anyone who gives you straight up doses is totally shooting in the dark.

 

[Big Dave Smith]

Have you had success in the offseason with lower test and higher non aromatizing compounds? Random question, but something I’ve been curious about, only person I know who has done it successfully was @madg

Yes, but no. It’s not needed, as it’s not like you’d get fat by using more test. If you’re slowly increasing macros and managing energy expenditure, you just need to use enough test and an anabolic to grow. Aromatizing compounds tend to give the worst sides, so people have been moving away from deca, dbol, android type cycles.

Loading up on primo and mast might crush estrogen, which could wear out your joints. Blood tests would help prevent this. You’d also “feel better” using higher test.

 

[st114]

Injectable Superdrol and Winstrol possibly

But I’d find a way to use Tren

Try Tren Hex if you haven’t already

Methyltren, without Tren, gives me the Tren look in a week or so at 1-2mg a day. It’s a different drug than Tren despite its common name. Methylated Tren, just like Superdrol is Methylated Masteron and Dbol is methylated EQ. Look up Mike Arnold’s thread about it. I don’t get any Tren sides with it. But then again, to be fair, I sleep like a baby on Tren

 

[npcout]

We push up to 200mg (my definition of high) the last 2 weeks before show. It’s also important to note though that we are dropping test/Mast around 2 weeks out, tren 1 week out and then really solely using orals.

I also utilize halo the last two weeks and have Anavar in until we flip it for superdrol one week out.

@Sambo44 you can’t achieve the look we have on stage at this level without pushing orals- more so than tren.

But what we do at the top level isn’t for a newbie, beach cut or 99% of the people here. I’m also doing injectable glutathione EOD and many other things to keep the body from not going over the rails as we are aiming to achieve a “look” for 24 hours that is unrealistic to maintain.

Mast never did it for me. Multiple Brands, 600-800mg never impressed.

Always ran tren e.. stopped 2 weeks out. Never no when an injection lump can develop days out.

1. High dose proviron

2. Winni vs halotestin

3. Anadrol vs superdrol

Those were my groupings and decisions I could never pin down to having a favorite

 

[need4tren]

injectable methyltren would be my go to if you can’t use tren

 

[Goodfella1988]

Injectable Superdrol and Winstrol possibly

But I’d find a way to use Tren

Try Tren Hex if you haven’t already

Methyltren, without Tren, gives me the Tren look in a week or so at 1-2mg a day. It’s a different drug than Tren despite its common name. Methylated Tren, just like Superdrol is Methylated Masteron and Dbol is methylated EQ. Look up Mike Arnold’s thread about it. I don’t get any Tren sides with it. But then again, to be fair, I sleep like a baby on Tren

You use oral Methyltren or in oil? I used it in oil years back but at a low dose. Was considering trying it again as a oral at 1-2mg

 

[st114]

You use oral Methyltren or in oil? I used it in oil years back but at a low dose. Was considering trying it again as a oral at 1-2mg

Oil only. I won’t take an oral if there’s an option to inject it

 

[need4tren]

Oil only. I won’t take an oral if there’s an option to inject it

Nothing tops inject methyltren, way less sides which is weird for such a powerful compound, just a bit toxic

 

[letsgethuge]

User dependent like a lot of things.

20mg halotestin transforms my physique more than 150mg of winni. Not sure what bb considers high dose win, but 150 is what I classify as high.

agreed Halo over Winstrol!!!

 

[Th3manmurph]

Agreed I’ll get like full grainy look on halo rather then flat dry look

 

[BBlife]

agreed Halo over Winstrol!!!

What if you combine halo and winstrol ? I’ve never tried halo . Always been curious to try it . What’s the max dosage of halo you should take ?

 

[letsgethuge]

What if you combine halo and winstrol ? I’ve never tried halo . Always been curious to try it . What’s the max dosage of halo you should take ?

i personally won’t combine orals, and i don’t run orals often, but when i have in the past halo was a favorite of mine, ran it at 20mg a day and noticed strength gains drastically, liver enzymes slightly elevated after completing 6 week cycle…

 

[npcout]

What if you combine halo and winstrol ? I’ve never tried halo . Always been curious to try it . What’s the max dosage of halo you should take ?

I would do 20mg x 2 weeks pre contest. Never needed more than that dose and time for max effects on show day

 

[st114]

Nothing tops inject methyltren, way less sides which is weird for such a powerful compound, just a bit toxic

Yeah OP laughed at someone else mentioning it even though he asked for help achieving the Tren look without Tren and Tren sides. Probably can’t get past the name (it’s actually methyltrienolone)

I get absolutely zero sides from the injectable version and I’ve used a lot of it, for long periods. I get more sides from Anavar than I do Mtren

But I guess he can try blasting high doses of DHTs and multiple orals at a time and to try and get 60% of the look he wants with way more potential negative effects on bloodwork

 

[Th3manmurph]

Yeah OP laughed at someone else mentioning it even though he asked for help achieving the Tren look without Tren and Tren sides. Probably can’t get past the name (it’s actually methyltrienolone)

I get absolutely zero sides from the injectable version and I’ve used a lot of it, for long periods. I get more sides from Anavar than I do Mtren

But I guess he can try blasting high doses of DHTs and multiple orals at a time and to try and get 60% of the look he wants with way more potential negative effects on bloodwork

Really because I felted bloated asf on mtren and a little watery on a week of it when I did a powerlifting meet a year ago

 

[st114]

Really because I felted bloated asf on mtren and a little watery on a week of it when I did a powerlifting meet a year ago

If you got bloated on Mtren I don’t think you got the real thing, maybe Methyltest or something. Was it oral?

 

[Reno911]

What dosage of test would you recommend on a cut ? Say if I’m already taking 600mg of tren and 600mg of mast . Would 750mg of test be good ? Or would you take it as low as maybe 500mg a week and keep the mast and tren dosage higher ?

Post some pics so members can let you know that exact amount of Test you should be taking with 600 Tren and 600 Mast.