PREP without TREN ??

[iron lifter]

has anyone here prepped without TREN and compared their results to past shows where they used tren?

1. did you achieve same conditioning ?

2. what other changes did you make to compensate for no tren? ie. diet longer, more cardio , or use more of other compounds ?

i am parting ways without tren, and want to be able to bring best package so just curious of others experiences. i know No one compound is needed, but i have heard people say you just can't get a certain look without tren and i want to know if thats true based on your experices?

thanks

 

[luki7788]

in short - you can of course prepare without a train, but you won't get the same look no matter what you were doing

 

[maxmusle1]

has anyone here prepped without TREN and compared their results to past shows where they used tren?

1. did you achieve same conditioning ?

2. what other changes did you make to compensate for no tren? ie. diet longer, more cardio , or use more of other compounds ?

i am parting ways without tren, and want to be able to bring best package so just curious of others experiences. i know No one compound is needed, but i have heard people say you just can't get a certain look without tren and i want to know if thats true based on your experices?

thanks

Yes sir. Switched from 8 weeks Sust 500, to EOD test Prop w winstrol (50-75mg) and the ECA stack for 4 weeks. This was early on and I had zero funds, every $$ went into my food. I looked great but, of course would not recommend for anyone who can’t take Winny. Diet and cardio 7 days a week w high water intake and I created a great overall package. The ECA stack cost me more than the prop! Lol

Max

 

[iron lifter]

Yes sir. Switched from 8 weeks Sust 500, to EOD test Prop w winstrol (50-75mg) and the ECA stack for 4 weeks. This was early on and I had zero funds, every $$ went into my food. I looked great but, of course would not recommend for anyone who can’t take Winny. Diet and cardio 7 days a week w high water intake and I created a great overall package. The ECA stack cost me more than the prop! Lol

Max

Yes, but what i am asking is can one match their conditioning by changing other variables without TREN. This post is for those that prepped with and without tren what was the major difference.

 

[iron lifter]

in short - you can of course prepare without a train, but you won't get the same look no matter what you were doing

Have you ever prepped without TREN?

 

[maxmusle1]

Yes, but what i am asking is can one match their conditioning by changing other variables without TREN. This post is for those that prepped with and without tren what was the major difference.

I hadn’t done tren at the time. I looked better than my friends who were on tren. But the answer is No(for me). Once I tried it at 200/200 tp/ta , for 6 weeks, OMG. It was dramatic. Tren is in its own ballpark. That being said, if you put in the time, you definitely can get the look w/o tren if you have a solid background and are more patient. It is not fast & furious, but test/primo/ w some Win-Var can 100% do the job. It is all past experience, muscle maturity and time , TBH.

Max
Good Luck . Remember, tren wasn’t even around until the late 80’s and some of my favorite BB were pre tren. I just make my decision and stick with it.

 

[b-boy]

Yes you can! The most important part of getting that look is getting as much subcutaneous water out as possible, then you can achieve that hard dry look as with tren, you also have to make sure you are full enough to have your muscles pushing tight against your skin and of course #1 thing is get inside out peeled. Dry drugs toward the end of prep helps also with "the look" primo, winstrol, halo, proviron for examples.
Tren's best quality is its anti-catabolic effects other than that you can achieve the same look as you do with tren. Tren just makes it a little easier to get there.

 

[Kaladryn]

has anyone here prepped without TREN and compared their results to past shows where they used tren?

1. did you achieve same conditioning ?

2. what other changes did you make to compensate for no tren? ie. diet longer, more cardio , or use more of other compounds ?

i am parting ways without tren, and want to be able to bring best package so just curious of others experiences. i know No one compound is needed, but i have heard people say you just can't get a certain look without tren and i want to know if thats true based on your experices?

thanks

I competed one year with tren, clen, and t3 then the next year did the same show without tren, clen, or t3. I liked how I looked better without the tren/clen/t3, I didn't get quite as hard but I was bigger and fuller and had an overall better look. They are DEFINITELY not required.

 

[iron lifter]

Yes you can! The most important part of getting that look is getting as much subcutaneous water out as possible, then you can achieve that hard dry look as with tren, you also have to make sure you are full enough to have your muscles pushing tight against your skin and of course #1 thing is get inside out peeled. Dry drugs toward the end of prep helps also with "the look" primo, winstrol, halo, proviron for examples.
Tren's best quality is its anti-catabolic effects other than that you can achieve the same look as you do with tren. Tren just makes it a little easier to get there.

This is what i was looking for. thanks. Actually to be honest, things do come easier on tren, and i have slacked and still gotten in really good shape. Diet will have to be on POINT without it.

 

[iron lifter]

I competed one year with tren, clen, and t3 then the next year did the same show without tren, clen, or t3. I liked how I looked better without the tren/clen/t3, I didn't get quite as hard but I was bigger and fuller and had an overall better look. They are DEFINITELY not required.

What did you use than?

 

[Kaladryn]

What did you use than?

A moderate amount of test, low dose deca and masteron, and a tiny amount of winny for last 2 weeks.

 

[Tomgrass]

I prefer my look on primo mast prop then on tren and prop. Much better fuller look. Body fat? Matter of time and diet not compounds. You just can't outgear poor diet.

 

[Delt123]

I’m currently cutting deep to the point I might jump in a comp if I’m ready.

Compared to last cut, which was test/tren/mast var, I’m bigger (it’s a couple of years later too), fuller and as lean as then but I’m missing some hardness atm. Not finished cutting at this point either.

im currently on test/primo/ gh.

I don’t think you can replicate the tren look without tren but I think test/primo/gh/Winny/ proviron can give you a look that’s “good enough” for the stage. Or at least an amateur comp.

 

[brocksamson]

No tren for me for my last two shows
Won both shows
Better conditioning
Dryer and leaner
Mental headspace was much better as well
Its a compound that definitely helps but not necessary
Diet and Training can get you where you want to be

 

[Alex30]

when I run tren e I feel a bit bloat, less with tren ace, but my arms/shoulders /legs still in good condition, i always look better when switch to cruise with 150 test-150 mast.

 

[Delt123]

No tren for me for my last two shows
Won both shows
Better conditioning
Dryer and leaner
Mental headspace was much better as well
Its a compound that definitely helps but not necessary
Diet and Training can get you where you want to be

What did you run?

 

[brocksamson]

What did you run?

Test and EQ up until about 6-8 weeks out
Swapped to Mast Prop, Proviron, Winny
Hgh at 5iu up until 2 weeks out

 

[Delt123]

Test and EQ up until about 6-8 weeks out
Swapped to Mast Prop, Proviron, Winny
Hgh at 5iu up until 2 weeks out

No test the last 6 weeks?

 

[Alzadosghost]

No tren for me for my last two shows
Won both shows
Better conditioning
Dryer and leaner
Mental headspace was much better as well
Its a compound that definitely helps but not necessary
Diet and Training can get you where you want to be

Diet and training all day. Yes yes yes. It’s just to much discipline for a lot of people. The same fuckers that think there is a drug doing it to me and the starvation and brutal training and lifestyle I live have little to do with it. By the way Brock the look awesome brotha. And you look like your having a good time up there. Keep pushing it. You’ll go far.

 

[brocksamson]

No test the last 6 weeks?

Dropped test at 6 weeks out
so by week 4-5 my test levels were dropping
So a dryer ad less watery look
Then added Arimidex at 3 weeks out 0.5ed up to 1.0ed