Pro Hormones- any good ones available?

[ironone1]

Here's another great article posted at the MD forums from llllern:

PH Profile's.

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Methoxy-TST
Nomenclature: 17b-methoxytrienosterone
Pill size: 2mg
Dosages: The label recommends 2-6mg daily, but many users report only noticing effects when dosed at 8-12mg.
Side effects: Low liver toxicity. Some users say this is a libido killer, yet others say the exact opposite. Other users report sides of thinning hair/hair loss.
Reputation: Seemingly underdosed, methoxy-TST could be considered an underrated designer, as many users have reported some substantial gains with higher dosages.

Epistane/Havoc/Hemaguno/Methyl E
Nomenclature: 2a-3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
Pill Size: 10mg or 12.5mg depending on what brand you use
Dosages: 20-50mg
Side Effects: Milder on liver and lipid levels than other methyls. Known to dehydrate users causing back pumps.
Reputation: There has had some spectroscopy and compound identification issues with these products, but from personal experience with it, is still a solid product. Many users have taken this compound as a solo run due to its extremely dry nature. It is also a popular compound for use with the 'pulse method' of taking orals. Users can expect to see significant gains in both strength and mass.

Pheraplex/Phera Vol
Nomenclature: 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol
Pill Size: 10mg
Dosages: 10-40mg
Side Effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profile, some users report aggrevation of gynecomastia with this compound.
Reputation: Solid product for bulking. Wet gains. It is a sometimes used to jumpstart an injectable cycle. This is the less androgenic isomer in the Ergomax LMG matrix.

Ergomax LMG
Nomenclature: 17-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane isomers and 17a-methyl-5a-androst-3-ene-17b-ol
Pill Size: 10mg
Dosages: 10-40mg
Side effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profiles, may aggrevate gynecomastia.
Reputation: Again pretty solid for bulking. Users can expect similar gains as with pheraplex.

Superdrol, SD Clones
Nomenclature: 2a, 17a-dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-etiocholan -3-one
Pill size: 10mg
Dosages: 10-30mg
Side Effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profiles, back pumps, hair loss, in rare cases users report agrivation of gynecomastia with this compound.
Reputation: Side effects vary from mild to extremely harsh, so use caution if planning your first run. Excellent dry gains. Great for bulking or cutting. Explosive strength gains. This is a methylated form of Drostanolone (Masteron)

Methoxy-TRN (Trenadrol)
Nomenclature: 17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone
Pill size: 3mg (trenadrol is 30mg on bottle, however same deal)
Dosages: 1.5-6mg (trenadrol dosed 30mg - 90mg as high as 120mg)
Side effects: Affects libido (some positively some negatively). May cause thinning hair/ hair loss, elevated blood pressure, aggression. Also another progestin.
Reputation: This guy is a real hit or miss. Some users loved the stuff, while others did not notice anything from it. Noticed increases in strength as well as decreases in bodyfat.

Halodrol-50, and Clones
Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3,17-diol
Pill Size: 50mg
Dosages: 25-75mg
Side effects: Heptatoxicity.
Reputation: Milder than superdrol or pheraplex. Modest gains in mass and strength. Most users take this as part of a cutting cycle. This is a prosteroid of Turinabol.

Prostanozol/ Orasan-E/Winztrol
Nomenclature: [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
Pill size: 25mg
Dosages: 50-150mg (Although it is not uncommon to go much higher than this)
Side effects: very few sides. Some users report thinning hair/hair loss. Aggressiveness in some users.
Reputation: Possibly the most mild of the designers, this compound is rarely run standalone. It is often stacked with a methyl compound for a lean bulk or cut. Very mild, yet easily maintained gains. This is a de-alkylated derivative of Stanozol (winstrol).

Finigenix Magnum/Trenaplex
Nomenclature: Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
Dosages: 50-75mg
Side effects: aggrevation of gynecomastia. This is a progestin (it can convert to trenbolone). Expect tren-like sides.
Reputation: Though there hasn't been much logged on this bad boy, those who've used it have liked it. This is a prohormone to Tren.

Propadrol
Nomenclures: 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene / 6-17 dihydroxyetiocholove-3-ol proponate
Dosages: 1-2 caps daily
Side effects: low side effects
Reputation: User's who've taken it have reported great decreases in bodyfat, while increasing musclemass and strength. Non methyl status means that this product stacks well. NOTE: this is does not contain the same compound as Max LMG. They are close, but no cigar.

Max LMG / Revolt
Nomenclature: 13-ethyl-3methoxygona-2, 5(10)-dien-17-one
Pill size: 25mg
Dosages: 25-135mg daily
Side effects: Can easily aggrevate gynecomastia. May be a libido killer. This is another progestin.
Reputation: A bulking compound through and through. Users can expect great recovery, and wet gains.


M-1,4ADD
Nomenclature: 17a-methyl-1,4-Androstadiene-3,17diol
Dosages: 30-90mg daily
Side effects: heptatoxicity, slight possibility to aggrevate gyno
Reputation: Great for a bulk. Wet gains, and decent strength gains. This is a prohormone of Dianabol.

1,4 AD / 1,4ADD / Bold
Nomenclature: 1,4-Androstadiene-3,17-dione
Dosages: 300-800mg
Side effects: Mild, acne, oily skin, MASSIVELY INCREASED APPETITE.
Reputation: Very weak and not very cost-efficient at the moment. This compound is often stacked with a methyl to potentiate and accelerate gains. Cycles are usually run at a MINIMUM of 4 weeks as this one takes a few weeks to 'kick in'. Slow, steady, and easily maintainable gains. This is a prohormone of Boldenone.

Promagnon-25
Dosages: 25-75mg
Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17b-diol
Side effects: heptatoxicity, back pumps
Reputation: Very similar to that of Halodrol-50, although people who've tried both seem to prefer Halodrol. For a while a lot of people were conviced that these two products were one in the same. Rest assured, they are not. This is a methyl derivative of clostebol.

Oxyguno
Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17 -methyl- etioallochol-4-ene- 17 -ol-3,11-dione
Pill Size: 7.5mg
Dosages: 7.5-22.5mg daily
Side effects: Heptatoxicity from 17a-methylation. Very low androgenic sides.
Reputation: Despite popular belief, this is not the most myotrophic designer out there: it has the highest Q factor. It is actually only about 77% as myotrophic as the active present in Havoc/Epistane/Hemaguno. Users taking Oxyguno can expect mass gains as well as excellent fatloss. Due to it's incredibly low androgenic ratio, strength gains are not as pronounced.

Furaguno/ Ortasan-A
Pill Size: 33mg
Nomenclature: 5a0androstano[2,3-c] furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol
Dosages: 33-99mg daily
Side Effects: very mild
Reputation: Supposedly lowers cholesterol, increases androgenic receptor activity, and does not induce any heptatoxicity. This product is too young on the market to have developed a reputation yet. Get some, log it, and let us know so I can update this compound's profile. This is a prosteroid to furazabol.

3-AD / 11-oxo
Innovator: Anabolic Xtreme / Ergopharm
Pill Size: 150mg
Dosages: 450mg
Nomenclature: andrenosterone, 11-oxo-androstenedione, or 4-androstene-3,11,17-trione (all mean the same thing)
Side effects: Mild
Reputation: This prohormone has a great affinity for blocking up cortisol receptors. User's report great changes in body composition, namely significant fatloss
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[rotty]

evolution labs makes sustevol and another good ph called omnevol. both are pretty expensive and tough to find since they stopped making them

Don't know about sustevol but omnadrol is classified as a steroid now

 

[squatrack68]

I've use P-plex from cel about a year ago and gained a solid 10 lbs that wasn't too hard to keep. A few months back though I took H-drol by cel, and i had pretty good strength and mass gains, and it was a dry 12 pounds this time. But of course diet and workout matter....these aren't magic pills. And make sure you pct...probably the best bang for the buck is getting letro from a chem research lab, a little goes a long way...yes some of you will say its overkill, but just dose it right....nolvadex is good as an inhibitor, but letro is more of a suicide inhibitor.

 

[samiam]

Can I sell you a bridge or some fine waterfront land in florida?

I'm not a hypocrite for having no interest in buying unproven tailored chemicals that are generally liver toxic AND at best result in some analogue of real aas for a price that is in almost all cases higher than the real thing.

The entire supplement industry and most of the food industry is a scam for the retarded. Pro-hormones/steroids that turn into some small percentage of a real steroid in your blood after they are digested or otherwise broken down by your liver are at best a weak version of the real thing and at worst toxic without any real benefit at all.

Outside of protein powder, creatine and a multivitamins I have a real tough time with the gullibility of people consuming billions of dollars worth of pixie dust.

On the other hand testosterone works extremely well, is low cost, available and is generally well understood.

I don't think I will post in this thread again as preaching to fairy dust salesmen and the gullible is mostly pointless

bye for now.

For the 18th time some of us our concerned with using only things that are LEGAL. That may be for the risk/reward factor, that we have something at stake or simply a moral conviction.

For some of us just using testosterone (or more testosterone) would be our first choice but it just simply isn't an option.

Certainly you are correct that injectibles have many upsides - but there are downsides also that make it not an option for some of us. That's why we have to risk our health with PHs!

 

[Muay Thai]

For the 18th time some of us our concerned with using only things that are LEGAL. That may be for the risk/reward factor, that we have something at stake or simply a moral conviction.

For some of us just using testosterone (or more testosterone) would be our first choice but it just simply isn't an option.

Certainly you are correct that injectibles have many upsides - but there are downsides also that make it not an option for some of us. That's why we have to risk our health with PHs!

dont submit to the dogma

be the captain of your own ship!!!!!!! PHS rule. i could live off mdrol

 

[machola]

Finigenix Magnum/Trenaplex
Nomenclature: Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
Dosages: 50-75mg
Side effects: aggrevation of gynecomastia. This is a progestin (it can convert to trenbolone). Expect tren-like sides.
Reputation: Though there hasn't been much logged on this bad boy, those who've used it have liked it. This is a prohormone to Tren.

this is wrong. that makes me doubt the whole post. the hormone is called Dienolone.

 

[Jacked & Juiced]

mdrol,sdrol,oxodrol by webber

P.s.-Mdrol is not a prohormone. Its a pro steroid and it works better than some real juice. It has worse sides thatn juice too....

 

[Conagher]

Primordial Performance just released a topical 1-test precursor. LEGAL. Everything I've used from these guys has been solid.

Yes.I have not tried it personally,but it is getting a lot of positive feedback.

 

[tom1234]

My experiences:

Used M-drol as my first ever cycle.

Gained 21 pounds in 3 weeks. Kept 16lbs after PCT.

Sides: Very Tired a lot of the time, lower back pains, bad shin splints- walk for 50 metres then have to stop due to the pain.

No Acne, even though I suffered when younger.

Great weight gain and strength.

Currently using again for 2nd cycle with 500mg Test C and up 7lbs in a week.

 

[SYNERGYCS LABS]

I don't know anymore what to think of the 'new' stuffs ! I took 50mg. a day of HDROL for 4 weeks and I didn't notice anything special...
When I take good old actual d-bol, even with as low as 10mg a day, the weights seem much lighter after 4 days already. And after a week, I can take about 20% heavier weights and people in the street tell me I look bigger and more muscular and I don't ask them. They notice !

Same thing with old Winstrol. Except for the mass that I don't have with winstrol but the muscles are harder and I get much stronger in about a week too. The difference with d-bol is that with winstrol, I get much more agressive and need a good and intense workout to feel relaxed.

But with both I don't feel tired anymore and I can feel and see very productive workouts.

With this 2 stuffs, we know the sides and stress on the liver since the 1960's, but we (at least I) get results.

With the 'new' HDROL, SDROL, etc., I get the sames sides, but I don't feel that power, strength and volume I get with the old one. And if I agree to stress my liver a little, I expect at least some positive gains.

Does anyone experience the same as me ? Or get huge results with the new stuffs ?

 

[FilthyMick]

I am taking Cyclobolan right now made by Infinite labs, i must say this product is great, im taking a bit less than the recommended serving of two caps and so far im 7 days in and my muscles are fuller and hard. My sex drive is through the roof, if i dont bang my gf atleast twice a day im forced into porn. Its like a mix of anxiety and sex drive, it feels great at times very aggressive i love the feeling.
Im most likely going to run Epistane next, as a kick start to some real gear. I hear great things about it and it is safer than the S-drol/H-drol cyclobolan.
Only thing i will complain about is lethargy throughout the day, if i sit down, i lose all my energy and want to take a nap.. gotta keep moving.

 

[Johnny Thrust]

Prohormones/Prosteroids whatever you wish to call them. They work. Dont listen to those who choose to express their opinions against using legal alternatives to AAS. There are many reputable companies offering prohormones that are pure, accurately dosed, and do exactly what they say they will do. I have done most of them and have had results varying from not so good to Wow. If you do NOT use more than the recommended amount then sides are usually not an issue. Its these guys that think they have to take 3-4 times the suggested dosage that get side effects in a week or two. Relax and enjoy the ride. Cycle 2 different PH's over the course of 60 days. Just like any program you have to have your diet and training down. If you are training to gain size then lift for size. Go all out and pay your dues. There is no magic pill.

 

[ericraven2003]

Prohormones/Prosteroids whatever you wish to call them. They work. Dont listen to those who choose to express their opinions against using legal alternatives to AAS. There are many reputable companies offering prohormones that are pure, accurately dosed, and do exactly what they say they will do. I have done most of them and have had results varying from not so good to Wow. If you do NOT use more than the recommended amount then sides are usually not an issue. Its these guys that think they have to take 3-4 times the suggested dosage that get side effects in a week or two. Relax and enjoy the ride. Cycle 2 different PH's over the course of 60 days. Just like any program you have to have your diet and training down. If you are training to gain size then lift for size. Go all out and pay your dues. There is no magic pill.

They work. I will agree with that, but most have much worse side effects than true steroids. At least steroids have been thru medical testing, most of these are chemicals that have been changed to be legal with little to no testing. Yeah, real good. I tried one just recently and had to get off after 2 days due to heartburn that nearly had me throwing up with anti aciids and lethergy so bad I could barely function. Off two days of the shit. I have talked to many and all have had some bad side effects of one kind or another. Why be a lab rat when you can go with proven and fairly safe real gear. Boo ya!

 

[Johnny Thrust]

My main concern is staying legal. I do not wish to get convicted of a felony for possession of a controlled substance. I know that everyone who orders from overseas thinks it cant happen to them. It can and does occur. I do not wish to pay a $25,000 bail just to get out of jail and find that Ive lost my job, cant vote or own a gun, or any of the other legal matters that can befall you as a felon. I am also not trying to get freaky big. I prefer the old school look of someone like a Frank Zane. We all have our own roads to travel. I cannot stress enough that PH's are relatively safe if taken in the recommended dosages and used with intelligent dieting and training regimens. Keep in mind also that I am 42 yrs old. 5'10" 190lbs 10%bf. When you get older you tend to look at the world in a different light. I use GHRP/GHRH with PH's and I look better than people half my age. To each his own. I simple state my goals and hope that everyone on this board considers their health & safety first.

 

[ericraven2003]

My main concern is staying legal. I do not wish to get convicted of a felony for possession of a controlled substance. I know that everyone who orders from overseas thinks it cant happen to them. It can and does occur. I do not wish to pay a $25,000 bail just to get out of jail and find that Ive lost my job, cant vote or own a gun, or any of the other legal matters that can befall you as a felon. I am also not trying to get freaky big. I prefer the old school look of someone like a Frank Zane. We all have our own roads to travel. I cannot stress enough that PH's are relatively safe if taken in the recommended dosages and used with intelligent dieting and training regimens. Keep in mind also that I am 42 yrs old. 5'10" 190lbs 10%bf. When you get older you tend to look at the world in a different light. I use GHRP/GHRH with PH's and I look better than people half my age. To each his own. I simple state my goals and hope that everyone on this board considers their health & safety first.

I am 37 and don't want to be big.I lost 46 lbs 8 months ago. Down to 184, with low dose gear I am up to bout 194 with a 31" waist. I never want to be over 200. I use gh and low dose gear. Very low dose. My blood work is perfection. I would challenge someone on pro hormones take a blood test and see what happens. At our age I would take the safe way. My health is very important to me and my kids. Peace to you brother.

 

[Johnny Thrust]

I will be seeking HRT therapy at the end of this year. If I am eligible for testosterone therapy then I would have no problem using juice. I am glad to see that there are so many of us "older" guys looking only to improve our lives and live longer rather than take insane amounts of hormones while chasing a dream of 22" arms. I feel safe with the low doseages of PH's that I am taking. I personally have never had any serious sides from PH's other than high blood pressure from Epistane for whatever reason. I have years of experience with pct and I live a very healthy lifestyle so that might equate to something. Cool to see youre in The big D. I lived in Lewisville and Carrollton for many years.

 

[ericraven2003]

I will be seeking HRT therapy at the end of this year. If I am eligible for testosterone therapy then I would have no problem using juice. I am glad to see that there are so many of us "older" guys looking only to improve our lives and live longer rather than take insane amounts of hormones while chasing a dream of 22" arms. I feel safe with the low doseages of PH's that I am taking. I personally have never had any serious sides from PH's other than high blood pressure from Epistane for whatever reason. I have years of experience with pct and I live a very healthy lifestyle so that might equate to something. Cool to see youre in The big D. I lived in Lewisville and Carrollton for many years.

I will tell you this. Low dose GH at our age is almost magical.lol The effects on body fat, muscle, hair, skin, and energy levels are incredible and at low doses the side effects are almost nil. Heck, my 51 year old friends surgery scars have nearly disappeared. My wife even got on it recently and she is anti everything.lol Have a great 4th.

 

[CBR1979]

superdrol clones, phera clones, epi clones, halodrol clones and tren clones

 

[totalrecomp]

I personally really like Bold 200(which is actually one of the few legit PH on the market vs actuall steroids.) It is exspensive but I get quality gains and like was stated above legality is an issue. When I can get a script for it test will be in the game plan. Till then do as best I can with what I got. For bulking Methyl-1-alpha by LG(out of production) is great. SD kills my appetite to such a dgreee that I find myself unable to maximize results. Low dose(5mg) is great for dieting though.

 

[CBR1979]

I personally really like Bold 200(which is actually one of the few legit PH on the market vs actuall steroids.) It is exspensive but I get quality gains and like was stated above legality is an issue. When I can get a script for it test will be in the game plan. Till then do as best I can with what I got. For bulking Methyl-1-alpha by LG(out of production) is great. SD kills my appetite to such a dgreee that I find myself unable to maximize results. Low dose(5mg) is great for dieting though.

5mg superdrol huh? ive never even thought about that. ive heard 10mg is still awesome for gains though