Problems with sexual function. Tried getting help from Drs./BBrs/BBForums/TRTforums

[Irvine]

I guess I'll start by posting some stats as most people request.

Age: 19 (turning 20 soon)
Height: roughly 6'3
Weight: 204lbs
Bf%: I don't know for sure, but must be rather low 10%
Diet: I am strict about consuming >25grams of protein from quality sources (whey, egg, beef) per meal every 2-3 hours with an adequate amount of carbs 30-40 and make sure the meal is rich in healthy fats.

My training discipline is very good. I have a trainer to guide me 2-3x a month. I find he helps me pick out training flaws and improve my ethic, as well as help me make changes to diet/lifestyle.

Moving on....

I am prescribed TRT from a local physician. I had very low T at a point in my life. It was due to some botched cycles with poor pct as well as some bad guidance from a Urologist who tried to get my on track. After months of suffering low T, my physician simply placed me on TRT 200mg Cyp weekly. Total T levels usually were measured around 1100-1300.

My overall feeling on TRT is my strength, size, energy, appetite ALL greatly improved. Libido still was S.H.I.T as well as any feel good androgenic rush I remember getting when I was younger. Still I continued to greatly improve in the gym....

Lately I figured, I'm doing great with my diet, training, and the consistent progress I was making. So I upped the T to 500/week and threw Tren Ace 50mg/day and have been on for almost two months to this day. I've been adding only a couple lbs of weight to my frame, went from 200lbs to 205ish which I thought was awful considering my diet/training was better now than ever. However my trainer noticed a significant amount of body recomp which he said the weight gain was offset by significant fat removal.


Anyhow, that is my story from August 2011 to Now (mid March 2011)

My major concern and reason for seeking help on S.E. right now is this: Libido/Sense of wellbeing/Erection quality are severely off. I am now in a long-term relationship, and well this problem really didn't matter much to me at all before I met this girl, since all I was focused on in my life was work then gym/eating. Now I have myself and a woman to please and it is of utmost importance I make that happen.

So the problem I am facing is that I have a very insensitive penis. I mean, no amount of stimulation seems to affect it much. It just feels dead down below, and has for months. Occasionally I have sporadic bursts of libido, but never at the right time.

I have no issues with gynocomastia, and overall acne is at a minimum, with no hairloss, and no adverse moods. I do however feel like I have depleted neuro-transmitters, because at the beginning of the day I feel my vision is clearer, libido somewhat present, mental function higher, but as the day wears on I feel my vision get poor, libido die, and fatigue set in.

When I attempt sex, if I do get an errection it will be 60% normal strength, and if I dont use it and wait to get another again I feel its maximum strength drop each time until I have virtually no ability to get it up again with ANY kind of stimulation. It end up feeling detached from my body really, like a piece of flesh with no nerves. It is very frustrating to me and depressing.


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So I guess that is my list of symptoms so to say, and with that being said I feel I have few options of ideas as to what may be causing this.

I have tried to address sleep as my first issue. Going to bed earlier had helped just a little, and laying a few days off working out helped a little.

I have recently suspected maybe it was E2, so I have been using 12.5mg Aromasin/EOD since last week to see if this would help. I haven't noticed anything as of yet.

Prolactin may be an issue, but nothing leaks from my nipples a whole lot when I squeeze them. Just a small tiny amount of saline looking fluid but very very little.

I have kept my stress levels rather low, and take Ashwagandha (indian ginseng) every day from the Himalaya company to help with Cortisol.

I have never taken any Finasteride so permanent DHT disruption shouldn't be an issue. I don't take saw palmetto either or any supplements related to that. In fact all I take lately is Ashwagandha/Multi/the ocassional pre-workout/creatine/bcaas, and mucuna pruriens before bed.

I had contemplated about coming off. But I have already been taking AAS from TRT for almost 35 weeks now. I also have aspirations of competing in bodybuilding at an amateur level in the next year or two and enjoy the way I look and how I perform in the gym. But having a sex life supersedes being muscular and strong not saying I can't have that naturally or off TRT. I'm just afraid if I come off, even with good PCT I will not only loose allot of mass but also feel like shit with no libido. If coming off is the best/only option for having a great sex life again then I'm open to trying that. But the best scenario for myself would be to continue using Testosterone and also have a great sex life as I really don't mind sticking myself 1-2x weekly.

I find it wierd how I can feel great some days on Testosterone, yet most everyday I'm completely uninterested in sex and unable to perform.

Does anyone have any therories or ideas? And are there any short-term solutions to hold me over until I find one? I had been thinking of trying some PT-141 from a peptide vendor as well as using 5mg Cialis every day until a solution arrives.

Thanks,

 

[QuietStorm]

something tells me you have been messing with roids far too soon in your young life. now you know why you should have waited.

have you tried clomid and hcg? see if that does anything for you?

 

[w8tlifterty]

19? on hrt?? 200mg a week?? Who is your doctor? You are in for the long haul my friend. YOU need to get off message boards and find yourself a GOOD doctor, also "nut" up and get off gear. It takes time for natural hormones to recover... I seriously doubt you were off long enough to allow them to do so. Unless you are hypogonadal, you do not need to be on Hrt at 19 years of age. At 19, believe me, you don't think about things the way you do later on in life. I'm sure others will chime in, but it sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders, do an aggressive pct and let your levels recover. I wish you luck, but I'd much rather have a healthy sex life than a few more pounds of muscle...not to mention a family down the road.

 

[Emery]

Wow!

 

[Irvine]

I'd much rather have a healthy sex life than a few more pounds of muscle...not to mention a family down the road.

That's where my head is now at. I mean, I do still believe I can have size while still being natural. I just need to rely more heavily on sound diet and intense training.

I just worry what the options are now at coming off, and what I can possibly do to hold me over and have some good sex while I'm trying to find a solution.

 

[QuietStorm]

I just worry what the options are now at coming off, and what I can possibly do to hold me over and have some good sex while I'm trying to find a solution.

you dont know how to come off a cycle? well you stop taking the pills, injections and start taking pct and stop using excuses, its not like opiods where you have withdrawls... just stop taking it.

 

[Swifto]

HCG, DHEA.

Get E and PRL checked.

 

[PRIDE]

19? on hrt?? 200mg a week?? Who is your doctor? You are in for the long haul my friend. YOU need to get off message boards and find yourself a GOOD doctor, also "nut" up and get off gear. It takes time for natural hormones to recover... I seriously doubt you were off long enough to allow them to do so. Unless you are hypogonadal, you do not need to be on Hrt at 19 years of age. At 19, believe me, you don't think about things the way you do later on in life. I'm sure others will chime in, but it sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders, do an aggressive pct and let your levels recover. I wish you luck, but I'd much rather have a healthy sex life than a few more pounds of muscle...not to mention a family down the road.

I agree. No need trying to find the quick solution at this point. Come off and run a proper pct and give your natural receptors time to get back in check. You have a long life ahead of you and more time down the road to decide whether or not you want to get involved with aas again. If you're having these problems now, how do you think they're going to be when you hit 40? Time to come clean and let your body get back to normal.

 

[TheTank]

Stop the Tren and see if your sexual problems get better. GO back to your normal TRT dosage of test and see how things are then. Stop taking everything but your TRT dose.

 

[brutale]

What a mess!

19yo on TRT!
200mg / week from Dr ?
500mg test + 350mg tren and you gain 5 ?
Little libido and can't get it or keep it up.

The advice so far hasn't been bad.

(1) stop the tren, reduce test to 200mg per week
(2) start HCG 400 iu's 3x per week
(3) get your E2 measured. If over 30, start arimidex. (Dose depends on how high you are. It is probably 75 or something; so take 1mg a day for a week, then 0,5mg a day for a week, then 0.5mg 3x a week ....)
(4) learn more before using gear

Your situation is probably caused by high estro (from test) and prolactin (from tren). If you mess with 19-nors, you had better understand a lot more about estro and PRL control.

The process may take a month or more. DHEA is not bad idea, but for later. It will only add to estro problems now. Proviron could help down the line.

 

[deanabol]

have you tried proviron or cialis ?
i would try both ,5mg cialis every day and 50-100 mg proviron every day

i have been in the same position and the above usually work

 

[Irvine]

you dont know how to come off a cycle? well you stop taking the pills, injections and start taking pct and stop using excuses, its not like opiods where you have withdrawls... just stop taking it.

Yes, but I'm afraid I may have become permanently shut down.


And I realize E2 might be an issue. I have stopped the Tren as of yesterday and will get off of that. I'll be using my Aromasin at 12.5 mg every day.

For a young guy who has been on AAS for a little over 35 weeks, is the possibility of coming down off AAS and restoring natural function a strong possibility?

And since August I have gained 30lbs and seem to just have recomped 5-8lbs fat for muscle, which is why I haven't seen much on the scale but great improvement in the mirror as well as strength. But that's not whats really important right now.

 

[brutale]

Yes, but I'm afraid I may have become permanently shut down.

And I realize E2 might be an issue. I have stopped the Tren as of yesterday and will get off of that. I'll be using my Aromasin at 12.5 mg every day.

For a young guy who has been on AAS for a little over 35 weeks, is the possibility of coming down off AAS and restoring natural function a strong possibility?

Yes. It's a good possibility, but nothing is guaranteed. My answer presumed you were hypogonadal prior to starting the test with the doc and wanted to stay on test.

If you think a restart is possible, stay off the tren and start reading the stickies on PCT. It's a big subject, but the info is out there. Don't stop the test until you figure out a detailed plan for PCT and get your supplies.

Then you can see if you can restart. If not, back to TRT.

 

[-TOXIC-]

19y/o on a 35 week cycle? How did you not do ANY research before you even touch AAS?

As everyone else has already stated, DROP THE TREN, thats not helping. Start proviron, HCG, over the counter normal test booster, ect

 

[Irvine]

19y/o on a 35 week cycle? How did you not do ANY research before you even touch AAS?

As everyone else has already stated, DROP THE TREN, thats not helping. Start proviron, HCG, over the counter normal test booster, ect

Well I guess I phrased that incrorrectly. 35 weeks being suppressed, most of the time which I spent on TRT doses, only two months of which I spent on an actual "cycle"

but from what I'm hearing, it isn't impossible for myself to actually recover to normal using a proper PCT with OTC boosters (D-aspartic acid, or etc)...

 

[Irvine]

I have discontinued the Trenbolone. It is a wise idea to stop it anyhow as any longer I'd probably start getting thick blood and high blood pressure. And yes I think some prolactin issues were presenting itself thus an absent libido. Bottom line, tren is out. I have stopped it since Saturday, today being Monday night. I have since introduced 6.25mg of Aromasin ED and am starting to feel better. I'd like to manage estrogen slowly rather than dose high on an AI and go too low. As for the Testosterone I will keep this at 500mg/week for another 3 weeks. By then I will likely have my new insurance card and some funds to purchase my PCT. After three weeks from now I will do 2 more weeks of 250mg or 250mg then 125mg, then let the esters clear and begin the PCT I will have put together.

In regards to PCT. before I posted here I had been reading up on some more advanced ways to recover than just standard Nolvadex for 2months. In fact I've even found some info about Nolvadex/Clomid being a carcinogen, increasing estrogen receptor density especially on adipose tissue, lowering IGF-1, further harming the Lipid profile, eye damage, etc...

So in short I will not be using this drug for my recovery. I have in the past and it has done little for me.

I will still need to manage estrogen as I come off, as estrogen is strong negative regulator of Testosterone, as well as maintain healthy cortisol levels as cortisol will also depress T.

So far this is what I have gathered:
-Run HCG at the lowest effective dose (saturation dose for leydigs) 250-500IU HCG 2-3 times a week until last mg of Exogenous T clears. Once exogenous T clears the body discontinue HCG as HCG suppresses the feedback and should be used keep testicular size normal once drugs leave the body.
-Use an AI most preferably Aromasin (exemestane) for a month or two during recovery to prevent negative feedback from estrogen.
-Dose 5-10mg Dianabol in the AM upon waking on an empty stomach to mitigate high AM cortisol and keep neurotransmitters higher. (just an idea i've come across which makes sense)

and then I've heard some therories of using IGF-1 LR3 during a PCT because some have said it brings back testicular function back sooner and maintains an anabolic environment during recovery. I've also heard of using GHRPs as well..... Not sure on this

And I've also read about some using EPO at low doses for a couple weeks to prevent a sharp drop in RBCs. Again not sure on this either.....

As far as supplementation during the recovery goes I will for sure include:
Transdermal Magnesium
TOCO-8 (A vitamin E formula)
D-Aspartic Acid
Ashwaghandha (an adaptogenic herb used for centuries to manage cortisol) I currently take
and Zinc
Maybe a gram of Vitamin C pre workout, not sure though....

I may also get a natural product called Bulbine Natalensis which I've heard good things about. Apparently it is a natural phytoserm which can help with T production.... but I'm worried about any interactions with the AI i'd be using... So maybe not

And I may get a bottle of Testopro which I've used before and is basically Quercetin and Nettle Root Extract for Divanil... I liked it when I used it.

My diet will have to be monitored. I will be eating as consistently as before. I will definitely have to focus more on a Paleo style diet. More saturated fats, cholesterol from Whole Eggs/Beef. I will avoid high sugars and reckless carb intake except PWO....

And sleep will be of great importance as I'm trying to balance my circadian rythym. I will also have to train less frequently than I do now, however same high intensity as normal.


Can anyone comment? I'm going to try to piece this together soon. And of course I'm waiting on this insurance. So I then can monitor my SHBG, E2, TotalT, BioT, Prolactin, Thyroid, Lipids, CBC, and I may even do a 24 hour cortisol urine test which I think would be important.

 

[Performance Based]

I am 23, I have been on non stop since 18. I was young and STUPID. Get off completely you do not want to turn into me.

To be honest there is NO reason to be using so heavily, your not big/advanced for your age. I know that sounds mean but I want to be honest with you.

Sexual problems will only get worse. Even on high amounts of test some days I cant even get a hard on no matter what my girl does.

 

[Irvine]

I am 23, I have been on non stop since 18. I was young and STUPID. Get off completely you do not want to turn into me.

To be honest there is NO reason to be using so heavily, your not big/advanced for your age. I know that sounds mean but I want to be honest with you.

Sexual problems will only get worse. Even on high amounts of test some days I cant even get a hard on no matter what my girl does.

I know. I recognize I'm not big or developed as I should be. Even with an honest strict diet and proper training I can only build moderate amounts of muscle. I look more like a in shape athlete than a bodybuilder. I'm not resigning my pursuits but I think I need many more years of muscle maturity and training if I can aspire to looking more advanced.

I'm really looking to come off. 1. for my health, 2. for my old sex life back 3. potential children 4. Chance to develop muscle maturity w/o anabolics before I touch anything again....

I will look into IGF/MGF once I re-establish my endocrine system. But I still think I have many more years of training before I should think about anything again. I'm positive I have a good training method/discipline I just need more time to develop. I guess I got into this whole thing in the first place because I had never had any appreciable muscle until the last year. 3 years ago I weighed 160... I've always been tall and skinny. Only now have I ever been 205lbs.

 

[CHAPS]

Come off try:

6g's D-aspartic Acid
40mcg IGF-1 L3 for 30 days
ZMA
Vitamin D3 10,000iu's
50mg clomid ed

will all help recovery, look into triptorelin as well.

 

[Irvine]

Come off try:

6g's D-aspartic Acid
40mcg IGF-1 L3 for 30 days
ZMA
Vitamin D3 10,000iu's
50mg clomid ed

will all help recovery, look into triptorelin as well.

I have looked into each of these for my PCT.
Only thing I will have to say is instead of ZMA i was going to buy Zinc Aspartate on its own and get transdermal magnesium instead. I hear it has numerous benefits over oral magnesium.

Also, I understand the taking too much Vitamin D can deplete vitamin A, how much vitamin A is necessary when going so high on D?

Lastly I have heard of IGF-LR3 being good for returning testicular function, but how does this work?