Pullups vs. Rows/Deadlifts??? Im stumped.

[TooPowerful4u]

Ok let me start by saying visually i dont have any noticable viual weakspots in my back, its pretty well developed. For some reason i can row 315 for around 8-10 reps, can deadlift 455 for reps from the ground, i partial deaded 560 yesterday for 2 reps, but for the life of me cant do 10 pullups. Once in a while il have a good day and get a set of 12 then next week its back to suckin at them again. I even start my workout with them. Even close grip its tough for me to get 2-3 sets of 10. I look around and see little skinny guys doin sets of 20 with 45s strapped to their waist yet their backs are shallow as fuck and they couldnt deadlift or row 1/4 of what i do. Is this genetic or have something to do with structure? Its really embarrasing, driving me nuts, and i think it would help my development if i could improve and increase reps in pullups, but it never seems to happen. Any advice or thoughts on this?

 

[haze324]

it means

It means you're a fat ass and get yourself up!

Have you tried rack chins instead. I'm the same way man. I can deadlift a horse but do pullups with a 25 and my partner pulls with 45's+ and cant deadlift over 225 for reps. I think maybe its tied into your bicep stregnth.

But I get a better pump from doing rack chins than regular chin so I dont do the regular ones to often now.

 

[cal]

yeah that is a strange problem...

your deadlift wts dont have much to do with ...it however...

i can deadlift basically the same as yourself, maybe a bit more...and do about 20 good pullups...

i would say that you need to focus on total reps, not sets etc, because your ...ability to rep out is limited...

i would do say 25 reps...in as many sets as i needed...in order to reach that goal and eventually get it up to as many sets to 50 reps...

also...i would NOT train to failure on pullups every workout...that Pavel Tsanlouine..sp? has written about it a lot...
i think his methods arent ideal for bbing...but i generally only go for what i can fully complete...and every month or so rep out...

 

[bigbaldbulldog]

I HAD the same problem and it tooks only a few workouts to fix..i had my partner hold my feet(in front of my body so i am shaped like the letter L) while i did chins ..i did 3-5 sets like this 3 days a week..each week i did 1 set on my own then each week another set alone till i was up to 5 sets alone for 8-12 reps..it took me 1 month to go from 6 chins alone for 2 sets to 5 sets 12-15 reps...

 

[TooPowerful4u]

I HAD the same problem and it tooks only a few workouts to fix..i had my partner hold my feet(in front of my body so i am shaped like the letter L) QUOTE]

Thats a rack chin. il give it a shot

 

[big-al]

Stay with it, also when I first started I could only do 5 chins max. Now I can do 10 with 70 lbs hangin, but it took a few months to work up. I can also deadlift a bunch. I don't dnow my max any more, I do 405 for 10 to 15 reps, but I felt the same way when I first started doing pullups. I could do the rack on pulldowns but not pullups and I always do wide grip.
Whats funny when I'm close to a BB comp I can do 30 to 40 easily, just whip them out and I don't drop that much weight, I'm talking 15 lbs max. It's weird when I think about how many more I can do just a few lbs lighter.

 

[AWN2004]

I think its all in how long you have been doing them really. I know Johnnie Jackson bangs em out like nothin at a higher body weight. I did them for years when I wrestled. Im around 235 and can still do 3 sets for about 12-15 reps each if I do them in the begining of the workout. I allways say if ya wanna get wide, chins are a must. If you want thickness, deadlift untill the cows come home.

 

[cal]

i have jackson's training video...and now that ive seen his form i take the wts he uses supposedely on chins with a grain of salt...to be generous his form on them is very loose...

he trains...very strict on bench, sq and deadlift, but basically swings and ...uses a ton of body momentum or partial reps on everything else...

his form on deadlift is impressive though

 

[Conan21]

one thing that helped me with these was using different grips. theres a TON of differnt chinup/pullup variations

I was very bad at doing standard chin-ups. just felt like i couldn't generate much force with it. well it improved when i started making other variations stronger.

widegrip chins. close grip. underhand pullups. and the one i think actually works the best is palms facing inwardward towards your body and pulling straight up.

most of the time i stick with this grip because i feel i could use this variation the best as far as progressiveness goes. going by feel, it seems to hit my back the hardest as well. If you can't improve on standard chinups try a different variation that might feel more natural to you and one you feel you will be able to progress the best with; b/c unless your able to do a lift in a progressive manner its not helping you in anyway.

 

[Armageddon]

Using a palms in grip you don't feel it more in your bi's. I vary it between body weight and a lat pulldown. i can tell the difference from between the 2 that way. The only other way I can get a good stretch and feel it in my back is to rotate the scapula fowards slightly and that puts more strain through my lats. But will take away from the momentum and the weight that you can use.

 

[Tate]

I work a job that has PT standards and pullups are part of our standards. One thing that has helped a lot of my coworkers develop their endurance for pull-ups is having a pullup bar in their house. It is simple really every time you walk by the damn thing do some pulls or chins. It is really an endurance thing like pushups or dips. You just have to prioritize the exercise and the reps will come. Don’t forget to change your grip and width around. Hang weight when you can.

Good Luck

 

[bigbadasian]

REply

If you want thickness, deadlift untill the cows come home.

|--[\\\\]>--------- Well i better move back to Iowa if i want to do deads, out here there are no cows.

as for the chin up problem, i dont know what it's like, i can do chins all day and can deadlift/row a large amt. of weight (Toot toot--that's the sound of me tooting my own horn) LOL!