Push/pull vs Upper/Lower

[bigzzz]

Hi!

I see a lot of people run upper/lower splits. Rarely I see people speak about push/pull. Personally I am a fan of push+quads and pull+hams, way more fun to program.

Any more people here that run this?

 

[Dens228]

I've been running it over a year now.
Chest/Delts/Tris/Quads/Abs
Width/Thickness/Biceps/Hams/Calves

One exercise per, three sets but really one as I use the same weight and take five deep breaths between.
Either two on one off or every other day.

 

[bigzzz]

I've been running it over a year now.
Chest/Delts/Tris/Quads/Abs
Width/Thickness/Biceps/Hams/Calves

One exercise per, three sets but really one as I use the same weight and take five deep breaths between.
Either two on one off or every other day.

Nice! I've tried running it more then 4x times per week but didn't like that.

4 times per week is perfect for me, everything gets hit twice and some parts I want to focus more on get a little bit more volume.

 

[Flex500]

it's a good routine. I like doing my entire lower body at once so have merged to a 1) legs/chest/tri's and 2) back/shoulders/bi's split right now. It's tough to do my routine back to back as there is too much crossover (not impossible, but not ideal) so i stick to EOD.

 

[traininsane11]

Ahh come on bro these training split threads have been done to death on this (and every other) forum

Guys need to stop looking for validation off random guys on random forums

 

[Dens228]

Ahh come on bro these training split threads have been done to death on this (and every other) forum

Guys need to stop looking for validation off random guys on random forums

Sure, we should only post things never covered. That way I can visit the forum and see the new one or two threads a day. LOL

Also, this is also a community, not just a education portal. Guys like to come and chat about numerous things and like thoughts. It would be just as easy for you to scroll right past the threads that don't interest you. But I hardly think you should be the person that determines what interests others. Not every member here has years of experience, or access to gyms/members who do.

Yes there are more than a couple members that over analyze, change too often, look for the magic formula. I smile and move on if I don't want to participate.

There's my harmless vent to counter your harmless vent.

 

[qbkilla]

Sure, we should only post things never covered. That way I can visit the forum and see the new one or two threads a day. LOL

Also, this is also a community, not just a education portal. Guys like to come and chat about numerous things and like thoughts. It would be just as easy for you to scroll right past the threads that don't interest you. But I hardly think you should be the person that determines what interests others. Not every member here has years of experience, or access to gyms/members who do.

Yes there are more than a couple members that over analyze, change too often, look for the magic formula. I smile and move on if I don't want to participate.

There's my harmless vent to counter your harmless vent.

I agree I love to read about training and even if it's a basic thread sometimes they evolve and have really good info...plus the more traffic the better. As a bodybuilding forum I'd rather talk training them for the love of God GLP’s. One forum I look at has about 4 glp threads to every training thread wtf

 

[Dens228]

I agree I love to read about training and even if it's a basic thread sometimes they evolve and have really good info...plus the more traffic the better. As a bodybuilding forum I'd rather talk training them for the love of God GLP’s. One forum I look at has about 4 glp threads to every training thread wtf

There's also forums that have a training post once a week or less.

 

[Flocci]

i think its because people find it more complicated to program, especially if you want to train 5-6x a week and most people prefer the feeling of annihilating 1-2 bodypart more from an ego/pump/size point of view, the brosplit and PPL type splits are basically more fun and harder to mess up from a programming POV

Personally i like both at different periods of time under different context of time, i find these higher frequency splits are better for pure strength or progressive overload focus in lower rep ranges compared to bodypart splits where you can have more stimulus types, rep ranges, dropsets/supersets, more "fun" stuff. You also have more leeway with overdoing volume, intensity, exercise selection and so on due to the lower frequency which is like a bodybuilders wet dream lol.

but if you only lift 2-4x a week, i dont think those things matter much.

 

[yellowbird1]

I've been running it over a year now.
Chest/Delts/Tris/Quads/Abs
Width/Thickness/Biceps/Hams/Calves

One exercise per, three sets but really one as I use the same weight and take five deep breaths between.
Either two on one off or every other day.

You just broke my brain lol. Now I really gotta try this. I'm just in a maintenance phase of my life right now and doing lower/upper 4 days per week. My only problem is sometimes I delay a day bc I get a little nervous before leg day. I know it sounds dumb but heavy leg days hurt man! I think this split could help with that mental push I need sometimes

 

[Dens228]

You just broke my brain lol. Now I really gotta try this. I'm just in a maintenance phase of my life right now and doing lower/upper 4 days per week. My only problem is sometimes I delay a day bc I get a little nervous before leg day. I know it sounds dumb but heavy leg days hurt man! I think this split could help with that mental push I need sometimes

I really like it. Sometimes I'll switch to a standard upper/lower but prefer this. The reality is that I don't really think it matters so go with what you prefer.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

This shit is all cyclical.
4 years ago EVERYYYONE ran a push/pull/legs program. Right now, upper/lower is it.
Honestly, i gotta give JP probably the MOST credit for the popularity of non-bro split training within the BBing community.
10-15 years ago, no one was doing this shit. Frequency was not a thing yet. It was "beat the fuck out of chest" then "rest it for 7 days."
That's it.

Personally, the larger the grouping of muscles, the longer my workout is going to be. It probably comes down to specialization and how advanced someones training age is. Someone just trying to get huge, i can program bent over rows, pulldowns, maybe some SA DB rows and they'd be ok. But for someone more advanced it might take more than that and then become a 2+ hr workout. Jordan's original message was grow as big as you can on upper/lower, then PPL until you have some obvious weakparts (this should be when someone is already massive and fine tuning their physique) THENNN switch to the bro split to bring said bodyparts up.

 

[deadmanwalking]

Ahh come on bro these training split threads have been done to death on this (and every other) forum

Guys need to stop looking for validation off random guys on random forums

Lmao I thought this was an old thread bumped

 

[AlphaFitt]

Do what works for you . Train hard and eat big . This is not rocket science

 

[deadmanwalking]

Do what works for you . Train hard and eat big . This is not rocket science

Just curious why do you put a space before the periods?

 

[AlphaFitt]

I love sucking dick and getting cum in my face

your sick

 

[pesty4077]

your sick

Permanent ban for anyone changing chat of others.

 

[Flocci]

This shit is all cyclical.
4 years ago EVERYYYONE ran a push/pull/legs program. Right now, upper/lower is it.
Honestly, i gotta give JP probably the MOST credit for the popularity of non-bro split training within the BBing community.
10-15 years ago, no one was doing this shit. Frequency was not a thing yet. It was "beat the fuck out of chest" then "rest it for 7 days."
That's it.

Personally, the larger the grouping of muscles, the longer my workout is going to be. It probably comes down to specialization and how advanced someones training age is. Someone just trying to get huge, i can program bent over rows, pulldowns, maybe some SA DB rows and they'd be ok. But for someone more advanced it might take more than that and then become a 2+ hr workout. Jordan's original message was grow as big as you can on upper/lower, then PPL until you have some obvious weakparts (this should be when someone is already massive and fine tuning their physique) THENNN switch to the bro split to bring said bodyparts up.

you are right, if you talk to everyone thats been around for a decade or so, they'll tell you everything goes in circles and trend be it training, diet or drugs.

With that logic, jordan should be following a brosplit or PPL routine but i guess hes too passionate about his high frequency heavy progressive overload focused training to go into more bodypart specific training. He would probably find it boring.

 

[qbkilla]

you are right, if you talk to everyone thats been around for a decade or so, they'll tell you everything goes in circles and trend be it training, diet or drugs.

With that logic, jordan should be following a brosplit or PPL routine but i guess hes too passionate about his high frequency heavy progressive overload focused training to go into more bodypart specific training. He would probably find it boring.

Haha...that would be a sight to see if the "evidence based " had to promote a bro split one day due to overwhelming new evidence. I bet they'd they'd be mocked, lose credibility and have to find a new hobby to make endless youtube videos about

 

[Flex500]

Haha...that would be a sight to see if the "evidence based " had to promote a bro split one day due to overwhelming new evidence. I bet they'd they'd be mocked, lose credibility and have to find a new hobby to make endless youtube videos about

If their overlords like Greg Schoenfeld, Layne "I like to cheat on my wife and am morally an abysmal person and I contort data and studies as much as Greg" Norton and the other guys that control funding and contort studies to say what they want give them the "ok" they will pass it off like no big deal and it won't phase them.