Question for other long term users over 50 years of age.

[shaneNJ]

Just wanted to hear the thoughts of other guys here who have been using gear for over 20 years and are over 50. I’m about to turn 54 and have been using gear for 35 years. I went pretty hard in my 30s and even my 40s but just before I hit 50- it really caught up with me. The problem is that my body could no longer handle the amount of drugs I needed to maintain my size. So let’s say I’m runnning even 500mgs of test a week- I just don’t feel it. Currently I’m running about 400mg test and 400mg primo and even though I don’t feel much, it’s enough to keep me happy. I was thinking about trying something different like deca but wanted to know what other guys my age in a similar position are doing? Btw- I also run GH when I have the money.

 

[buck]

I find feeling is not my go to as to decide if something is working. Given time i tend to feel normal on most things once i use them for a while. Expecting to feel the same or get the same results at 50 or 60. As one did decades earlier is unlikely to happen from my experience.

 

[primobolan]

Priorities have to change. Time waits for no one.

 

[Swifto]

Just wanted to hear the thoughts of other guys here who have been using gear for over 20 years and are over 50. I’m about to turn 54 and have been using gear for 35 years. I went pretty hard in my 30s and even my 40s but just before I hit 50- it really caught up with me. The problem is that my body could no longer handle the amount of drugs I needed to maintain my size. So let’s say I’m runnning even 500mgs of test a week- I just don’t feel it. Currently I’m running about 400mg test and 400mg primo and even though I don’t feel much, it’s enough to keep me happy. I was thinking about trying something different like deca but wanted to know what other guys my age in a similar position are doing? Btw- I also run GH when I have the money.

Define "feel it"?

 

[TheOtherOne55]

What @Swifto said.
What does “feel it” mean?
You’re not supposed to feel it.

 

[carbs]

By feel it I think he means results.

Time waits for no one...so true.

After 50 Sleeping and eating and keeping that strict routine becomes harder and you may start to think Is should actually do something different and enjoy myself before I'm in a coffin.

 

[aHarness]

By feel it I think he means results.

Time waits for no one...so true.

After 50 Sleeping and eating and keeping that strict routine becomes harder and you may start to think Is should actually do something different and enjoy myself before I'm in a coffin.

Results aren’t a feeling?…

 

[Hyperemia]

After 50 Sleeping and eating and keeping that strict routine becomes harder and you may start to think Is should actually do something different and enjoy myself before I'm in a coffin.

If you’re not enjoying the lifestyle then yeah, you should definitely do something different. I wouldn’t be doing any of this if I didn’t enjoy it.

 

[gauge22-v2]

Age related sarcopenia....No way to escape it.

 

[pickapeck]

The problem might be that you haven't really cycled on and off for a long time. If you remember cycling off you wre always more responsive to the drugs after 2-3 months off. As time goes by, with continuous use, the enzymes that process, metabolize and facilitate removal of the steroids get upregulated. So the amount of steroids in circulation is reduced. Couple that with desensitization and you have a situation where processing and removal is fast and anabolism is reduced lower than would be with the same amount of circulating steroids in a user in his for few years for instance. The solution sucks because you would have to go to go off for a short while followed by a true TRT for a while to let the processing enzymes return to base levels and sensitivity to restore. Then you would feel a gram of AAS again for a while at least. I am not saying androgen receptors down regulate. Sensitivity is much more complex.

 

[shaneNJ]

Priorities have to change. Time waits for no one.

Yes- this is very true and to explain better - as I’ve gotten older, the dosages I was running had to be dialed back. Now that I’m running lower dosages I usually stick with test, primo, gh. I’ve spoken to guys in their 60s who still run moderate dosages cause their bodies can handle it I guess. I was just curious what guys my age here are running as far as what stacks and dosages. Anyone using specific peptides they like?

 

[shaneNJ]

The problem might be that you haven't really cycled on and off for a long time. If you remember cycling off you wre always more responsive to the drugs after 2-3 months off. As time goes by, with continuous use, the enzymes that process, metabolize and facilitate removal of the steroids get upregulated. So the amount of steroids in circulation is reduced. Couple that with desensitization and you have a situation where processing and removal is fast and anabolism is reduced lower than would be with the same amount of circulating steroids in a user in his for few years for instance. The solution sucks because you would have to go to go off for a short while followed by a true TRT for a while to let the processing enzymes return to base levels and sensitivity to restore. Then you would feel a gram of AAS again for a while at least. I am not saying androgen receptors down regulate. Sensitivity is much more complex.

Thanks for this feedback and yes I was completely off gear for about 6 months and then just a tube of test gel a day for about 4/5 months. You are 100% correct about my receptors being shot. As another said- I guess it comes down to priorities. I have a few friends my age going through the same and are now running TRT dosages but lost a ton of size. I was thinking maybe I’ll try npp or something else with test but stay in same range.

 

[shaneNJ]

By feel it I think he means results.

Time waits for no one...so true.

After 50 Sleeping and eating and keeping that strict routine becomes harder and you may start to think Is should actually do something different and enjoy myself before I'm in a coffin.

Yes- results. But also strength. Hard to deal with psychologically.

 

[hawkmoon]

I personally don't believe receptors desensitize, we just get acclimated to the dosages, training, and food over time.
I could very well be wrong though and welcome evidence otherwise.

I have been on and off since 1989 and on consistently since about 2010, but usually at lower dosages. I never liked running a lot, despite people saying one must.
In all those decades I have never, ever stopped training hard and eating right. I have turned all the dials up and down and up and down, but never off.

When I came back to compete in my late 40s I made gains again, mostly because I focused on consistent progression. My offseason dosages were usually about 600mg and maybe 900 for a short time.
In prep of course things go higher, but that's preservation and not growth.

The only thing that did not respond to my satisfaction was my legs, and there is some evidence that we should expect this with age. My chest wasn't as strong as it was in my youth, but my back was better at 48 than 22.

What I think was key was I never went real high with dosages, leaving me someplace to go. When I was younger I never went as high as 900, probably more 4-500. All the PEDs were pharma, so it would take a lot more oil to hit today's UG dosages.
Now as I prepare to compete again it is one last blast at 1.2g and I have gone from 98kg to 105 at the same conditioning. Every workout I progress and I eat to support my progress.

With age you will hit limitations, but can still make progress. But with PEDs I think if you maxed out early you have little overhead to exploit.
I'm not saying this is you, but it is my opinion on how and why some can continue to make gains and some cannot all other factors equalized.

 

[IronFist]

In all those decades I have never, ever stopped training hard and eating right. I have turned all the dials up and down and up and down, but never off.

i think this is what people continue to forget , keeping these in check is crucial regardless of what or how much youre using.

once you let those two go the goal posts for the comeback just get further and further away.

 

[Fa Seeshus]

What @Swifto said.
What does “feel it” mean?
You’re not supposed to feel it.

You don't break into song and dance right after your shots? This is my usual reaction:

 

[KingOfSushi]

As time goes by, with continuous use, the enzymes that process, metabolize and facilitate removal of the steroids get upregulated. So the amount of steroids in circulation is reduced. Couple that with desensitization and you have a situation where processing and removal is fast and anabolism is reduced lower than would be with the same amount of circulating steroids in a user in his for few years for instance.

Where are you getting this info? I’ve never heard any of this before tbh

 

[Fa Seeshus]

Where are you getting this info? I’ve never heard any of this before tbh

It was on Jeopardy for 200 under: "Things your gym juice dealer tells you to sell you more steroids"

FYI 300 was "I just sold this stack to The Rock last week" and 400 was "I must warn you, people have complained it makes their penis bigger"

 

[aHarness]

Where are you getting this info? I’ve never heard any of this before tbh

 

[shaneNJ]

I personally don't believe receptors desensitize, we just get acclimated to the dosages, training, and food over time.
I could very well be wrong though and welcome evidence otherwise.

I have been on and off since 1989 and on consistently since about 2010, but usually at lower dosages. I never liked running a lot, despite people saying one must.
In all those decades I have never, ever stopped training hard and eating right. I have turned all the dials up and down and up and down, but never off.

When I came back to compete in my late 40s I made gains again, mostly because I focused on consistent progression. My offseason dosages were usually about 600mg and maybe 900 for a short time.
In prep of course things go higher, but that's preservation and not growth.

The only thing that did not respond to my satisfaction was my legs, and there is some evidence that we should expect this with age. My chest wasn't as strong as it was in my youth, but my back was better at 48 than 22.

What I think was key was I never went real high with dosages, leaving me someplace to go. When I was younger I never went as high as 900, probably more 4-500. All the PEDs were pharma, so it would take a lot more oil to hit today's UG dosages.
Now as I prepare to compete again it is one last blast at 1.2g and I have gone from 98kg to 105 at the same conditioning. Every workout I progress and I eat to support my progress.

With age you will hit limitations, but can still make progress. But with PEDs I think if you maxed out early you have little overhead to exploit.
I'm not saying this is you, but it is my opinion on how and why some can continue to make gains and some cannot all other factors equalized.

Excellent post and I 100% agree. Kinda makes me regret going hard for so long. Should’ve had more patience with lower dosages and I would’ve maintained. I honestly think this is why OHearn is able to look the way he does at close to 55. Probably GH and lower dosages and years of hard work with diet.