Question for other long term users over 50 years of age.

[shaneNJ]

You don't break into song and dance right after your shots? This is my usual reaction:

I actually used to in my 20s haha

 

[Alzadosghost]

I find feeling is not my go to as to decide if something is working. Given time i tend to feel normal on most things once i use them for a while. Expecting to feel the same or get the same results at 50 or 60. As one did decades earlier is unlikely to happen from my experience.

I know fur a fact every single steroid works far less than I did when I was younger. I don’t get tons of sides the drugs just don’t work as well after 25-30 years of use. A gram has far less effect than it did in my early 30s

 

[shaneNJ]

I know fur a fact every single steroid works far less than I did when I was younger. I don’t get tons of sides the drugs just don’t work as well after 25-30 years of use. A gram has far less effect than it did in my early 30s

agreed. But I used to do a gram but now my body simply can’t take it and I get sick. 500mg I just don’t get anywhere near the results. After 9 months off I do get results but still look much different than even 10 years ago. Not sure if I can get that way again even though I see people who do look incredible at 55. I think my receptors are shot and the enhancement needed my body can’t tolerate. They probably did it on lower gear dosages and played the long game. - I might’ve been bigger than them in my 40s but now I can’t get close to their look.

 

[Alzadosghost]

agreed. But I used to do a gram but now my body simply can’t take it and I get sick. 500mg I just don’t get anywhere near the results. After 9 months off I do get results but still look much different than even 10 years ago. Not sure if I can get that way again even though I see people who do look incredible at 55. I think my receptors are shot and the enhancement needed my body can’t tolerate. They probably did it on lower gear dosages and played the long game. - I might’ve been bigger than them in my 40s but now I can’t get close to their look.

Or thet can just still handle heavy doses. I can still use fairly large doses and not suffer sides I find I just have to use more and more to get the same results over time. A lil bit just don’t cut it. Low doses don’t do much anymore.

 

[tommyguns2]

Just curious what your present stats are, and what you'd like to achieve?

I'm 57 and have been on since age 40. Most of that time was just test at 200-250mg/wk. Was sufficient for slow and steady growth. In the last year I've upped the dose a little and throw in some NPP, and it helped. But diet still seems to have a greater impact than the gear. The leaner I am, the better the mass I do have looks. If you're struggling to put on another 10 pounds of mass, perhaps try to drop 10 pounds of fat while keeping your present mass. You might like that progress even more.

 

[primobolan]

Or thet can just still handle heavy doses. I can still use fairly large doses and not suffer sides I find I just have to use more and more to get the same results over time. A lil bit just don’t cut it. Low doses don’t do much anymore.

To be honest I about shit a brick when I saw your dosage's initially. I'm over 50 as well but I played the long game (mostly due to circumstance and not hindsight, lol.)

 

[emeric delczeg]

Just wanted to hear the thoughts of other guys here who have been using gear for over 20 years and are over 50. I’m about to turn 54 and have been using gear for 35 years. I went pretty hard in my 30s and even my 40s but just before I hit 50- it really caught up with me. The problem is that my body could no longer handle the amount of drugs I needed to maintain my size. So let’s say I’m runnning even 500mgs of test a week- I just don’t feel it. Currently I’m running about 400mg test and 400mg primo and even though I don’t feel much, it’s enough to keep me happy. I was thinking about trying something different like deca but wanted to know what other guys my age in a similar position are doing? Btw- I also run GH when I have the money.

Just wanted to hear the thoughts of other guys here who have been using gear for over 20 years and are over 50. I’m about to turn 54 and have been using gear for 35 years. I went pretty hard in my 30s and even my 40s but just before I hit 50- it really caught up with me. The problem is that my body could no longer handle the amount of drugs I needed to maintain my size. So let’s say I’m runnning even 500mgs of test a week- I just don’t feel it. Currently I’m running about 400mg test and 400mg primo and even though I don’t feel much, it’s enough to keep me happy. I was thinking about trying something different like deca but wanted to know what other guys my age in a similar position are doing? Btw- I also run GH when I have the money.

Don`t focus to much on your test dozes, when we get older especially over 50 our natural growth factors (FGF) fibroblast growth factors will diminish also , test is important but the FGFs are in charge. Go look up all my posts.

 

[Alzadosghost]

I personally don't believe receptors desensitize, we just get acclimated to the dosages, training, and food over time.
I could very well be wrong though and welcome evidence otherwise.

I have been on and off since 1989 and on consistently since about 2010, but usually at lower dosages. I never liked running a lot, despite people saying one must.
In all those decades I have never, ever stopped training hard and eating right. I have turned all the dials up and down and up and down, but never off.

When I came back to compete in my late 40s I made gains again, mostly because I focused on consistent progression. My offseason dosages were usually about 600mg and maybe 900 for a short time.
In prep of course things go higher, but that's preservation and not growth.

The only thing that did not respond to my satisfaction was my legs, and there is some evidence that we should expect this with age. My chest wasn't as strong as it was in my youth, but my back was better at 48 than 22.

What I think was key was I never went real high with dosages, leaving me someplace to go. When I was younger I never went as high as 900, probably more 4-500. All the PEDs were pharma, so it would take a lot more oil to hit today's UG dosages.
Now as I prepare to compete again it is one last blast at 1.2g and I have gone from 98kg to 105 at the same conditioning. Every workout I progress and I eat to support my progress.

With age you will hit limitations, but can still make progress. But with PEDs I think if you maxed out early you have little overhead to exploit.
I'm not saying this is you, but it is my opinion on how and why some can continue to make gains and some cannot all other factors equalized.

All of this….exactly

 

[Polska 2]

By feel it I think he means results.

Time waits for no one...so true.

After 50 Sleeping and eating and keeping that strict routine becomes harder and you may start to think Is should actually do something different and enjoy myself before I'm in a coffin.

So true

 

[Bio]

Just wanted to hear the thoughts of other guys here who have been using gear for over 20 years and are over 50. I’m about to turn 54 and have been using gear for 35 years. I went pretty hard in my 30s and even my 40s but just before I hit 50- it really caught up with me. The problem is that my body could no longer handle the amount of drugs I needed to maintain my size. So let’s say I’m runnning even 500mgs of test a week- I just don’t feel it. Currently I’m running about 400mg test and 400mg primo and even though I don’t feel much, it’s enough to keep me happy. I was thinking about trying something different like deca but wanted to know what other guys my age in a similar position are doing? Btw- I also run GH when I have the money.

I'm curious what you mean when you say "...it really caught up with me. The problem is that my body could no longer handle the amount of drugs I needed to maintain size." In another post you said it made you sick but what does that mean? Did you ever do blood work, get scans, or test for soft and calcified plaque?

 

[Alzadosghost]

To be honest I about shit a brick when I saw your dosage's initially. I'm over 50 as well but I played the long game (mostly due to circumstance and not hindsight, lol.)

500 test and 500 deca used to put 20 lbs on me in 4-5 weeks. It does not now. Far less effective. I think your body builds a tolerance for it like anything else. I don’t think receptors get plugged up. They might get desensitized though. Abd it’s not a pharma versus underground thing. The compounds are still the same. Shit 500 test is a weak trt now

 

[aHarness]

All of this….exactly

Funny how @hawkmoon has to say “I personally don’t believe” when we’ve literally seen this been proven now. But it’s still a topic of debate somehow.

 

[buck]

I know fur a fact every single steroid works far less than I did when I was younger. I don’t get tons of sides the drugs just don’t work as well after 25-30 years of use. A gram has far less effect than it did in my early 30s

I tend to think it is not the drugs that are no longer working. But that my cells can't react the way they did when i was younger. Different way of looking at it but same end results. I don't digest food as well sleep as well get aroused as well and the list goes on. Getting older is not for the young. They couldn't deal with it!

 

[NeveReveN]

By feel it I think he means results.

Time waits for no one...so true.

After 50 Sleeping and eating and keeping that strict routine becomes harder and you may start to think Is should actually do something different and enjoy myself before I'm in a coffin.

“After 50 Sleeping and eating and keeping that strict routine becomes harder.”

My experience is exactly the opposite. I have more money now, so less stress, more control of my time and several decades of regular training so it just comes natural to workout, like Arnold say, “same as breathing.” After 30-40 years continuing a strict routine is very easy.

 

[NeveReveN]

I tend to think it is not the drugs that are no longer working. But that my cells can't react the way they did when i was younger. Different way of looking at it but same end results. I don't digest food as well sleep as well get aroused as well and the list goes on. Getting older is not for the young. They couldn't deal with it!

Well the drugs are exactly the same drugs so if they’re not working for someone it’s implied that it’s that persons body that isn’t reacting as it used to. Anytime ANY drug stops working for someone, it’s their body that’s reacting different, not the drugs. The would be like an alcoholic saying he has to drink more and more Jack Daniel’s because the Jack somehow changed and just doesn’t work like it used to.

 

[EnhancedFatGrappler]

It is just Age, and decades of stress from gear. Our Bodies have to take a beating from all the food, gear, hard lifting, all the stress from work, family, etc. We dance with the devil, and eventually he just will collect his due, it is what it is.

We just can't stay huge until we are 90. We can stay in great shape, but being a jacked, very lean 250 lbs and getting over 80 is just not in the cards for us Humans.

 

[pickapeck]

Thanks for this feedback and yes I was completely off gear for about 6 months and then just a tube of test gel a day for about 4/5 months. You are 100% correct about my receptors being shot. As another said- I guess it comes down to priorities. I have a few friends my age going through the same and are now running TRT dosages but lost a ton of size. I was thinking maybe I’ll try npp or something else with test but stay in same range.

Dropping 30 lbs once you hit late 50s probably isn't a bad thing. The little voice will come to you at some point. Coming completely off indefinitely probably isn't an option.

 

[Reno911]

In my 30's and early 40's I always said when I hit 50 I would drop to 200 for longevity purposes. As I approached 50, my BP, bloodwork, scans, etc all still looked good so I figured I'd keep going.

I do know that "big and old" isn't a thing regardless if it's muscle or fat. You just don't see 250lb 80 year olds very often. If you do, they are moving slow.

As far as gear, I do keep my "cruise/bridge" dosages higher than when I was younger. GH also really doesn't drop below 5iu. Training has changed and my 150 Ivanko DB's just collect dust. At 51, just trying to be as gentle on the joints as possible while still making progress. Lots of volume, short rest periods, drop sets, giant sets, super sets, pre exhaust, etc.

 

[primobolan]

I have begun to downsize and moved legs to 2x per month with a hard stepper session on the in between weeks in place of. the training session, damn legs are getting stronger, lol.

 

[AllLoadedUp]

I'm 51. I decided to "stay on" about 10 yrs ago. By that I mean stay on TRT dose. No yo yo. I would do higher doses for a cycle but no "coming off". Best I ever looked was in 2019. I was 275 at 6'1'. I was tan and had pretty good veins in my arms, even a visible one or two in my legs. Lol. I haven't done a "cycle" since. Just about 250 test pr wk and 4 IU of GH a day. I never really any did any big cycles. Hit 1200 test one time. At one point I was 300lbs. But I looked AWEFUL compared to how I look now at 260 or 275 in 2019. I was a tick about to pop. I can't keep the size I use to. I would have to eat like crazy and do higher doses. If I could even get back to 275 anyway. I'm more concerned about health. I'm 260 now. Not big by any means but not small either. I focus more on strength now than size.

It has gotten harder and harder to keep size in my legs. Strength not as much. I hit 500 on my squat a couple weeks ago which I hit the day before my shoulder surgery almost 6 months ago now. So that strength has rebounded. After shoulder surgery now I'm gonna stick to more machines for chest/shoulders now. Its just smart at my age. YOU HAVE TO PICK YOUR BATTLES. That is my advice. Some things you just have to give up in the gym or train them lighter. No more behind the necks with 300lbs on the Smith machine anymore. As far as drugs go. You have to decide what you are comfortable with AND how important your health is to you. I don't need to be as big and strong as I use to. My mind is fine with it. Its different for everybody.