Question for the Blast/Cruise Crowd

[Steve123]

Long Story short, I've been on Test for 2 years at mostly a "cruising dose" with a couple of spikes. I've decided not to continue my delusional behavior towards this. I got bloods done today and I'll see where I'm at.

My levels were really low before I started using Test but I was unable to get treatment. I took matters into my own hands.

I feel I owe it to myself to come off, try to bring my levels back up and see where I am. I already have an Endocrinologist that I'm working with so once I reach baseline, I have someone lined up to address the issue.

Here's my question:
Have any of you guys in a similar situation come off? If so, what did you run for a PCT, if anything? I'm thinking a standard PCT is probably not going to cut it. After 2 years on Testosterone and other selected goodies, I very much doubt a month of Comid is going to do the trick.

Here's what I'm thinking:

• Continue the Test Prop for another 4 weeks at a low dose
• Start HCG now and run it 2 weeks after the Prop (maybe 1000iu per week)
• Start Clomid 3 days after the last Prop stick and run 4 weeks
• Start Aromasin now at 25mg ED and Run it straight through PCT and for another 2 weeks
• Have Tamoxifen Handy in case the nipples start having problems. If a flare up, run it 40mg ED until symptoms fall off.

Get blood work done at the end and see what the skinny is. I know I wont be normal in 6 weeks but I would expect at least a sign of life.

If I need life long TRT, so be it. I just feel compelled to take one final crack at it before I commit to life long Test use.

Any feedback would be huge guys!

 

[Mota]

Your proposed protocol looks good to me. Only other thing I could think of is trying that new GnRP peptide, I think its called tripsometing, but it's fairly new and relatively unstudied so its probably a bigger risk than anything you have outlined. One thing I noticed is your aromasin use is higher than I'd need, we all respond differently to it but I'd use less than half that.

Mind if I ask your reason for wanting to get back to natural? If your natural level was lower than your happy with before 2 years on what has changed? Do you think you have learnt something new that will allow you to raise your natural production significantly? Has the test level your willing to live with been lowered? You having some kind of health issues due to being on all the time?

Reason I ask is I'm coming to the end of a longish run on and am torn between coming off, doing PCT, staying natural 3-4 months, then doing a blast, or just maintain my cruising dose for the next couple months and then doing a blast. If I go with option B I'll have been on for about a year by the time I'd be coming off and probably would just go back to cruising... Not sure I'd ever go back to being natural, but then again I'm not so sure I want to. I'm not so sure if its harder on the body to be on all the time or to have the hormone fluctuation due to going on and off...

 

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[Kaladryn]

I doubt PCT will have any real effect, after all the PCT shit clears your system, your test will go back down to double digits and slowly creep up from there over years. 2 year cycles do that to you, especially if you were low before. Sounds like it's worth a try though, at least to get on real TRT.

 

[Steve123]

Mind if I ask your reason for wanting to get back to natural? If your natural level was lower than your happy with before 2 years on what has changed? Do you think you have learnt something new that will allow you to raise your natural production significantly? Has the test level your willing to live with been lowered? You having some kind of health issues due to being on all the time?
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When I got it looked at before, it was after a very long and very hard diet. I had lost over 100 pounds over the course of a year and a half and even prepped for a contest. I'm thinking that my levels may have been impacted and that perhaps they did not reflect my true baseline. Thanks for the tip on the Pep's, although I would probably not go that route at this point.

I doubt PCT will have any real effect, after all the PCT shit clears your system, your test will go back down to double digits and slowly creep up from there over years. 2 year cycles do that to you, especially if you were low before. Sounds like it's worth a try though, at least to get on real TRT.

Well, that's just it bro. I just want to see where I'm at. If after giving this a chance, my levels are still low, at least I will be able to get on a legitimate HRT program with doctor supervision. Not sure why it took so long but I was pinning myself the other day and was like "WTF are you doing to yourself?"...

I'm not ruling out an occasional cycle in the future. Sometimes a little splash here and there is nice. I just want to get back to normal.

 

[BA69]

I've been through this scenario, and I would tell you that in my opinion, the PCT is not going to work. It would take you years off to get back to normal. During those years you will not be happy or living life at its fullest.

I was on for 2 years +... At one point I had a continuous 11 month cycle, no bridging, but doses not exceeding 1g. Still ridiculous. I had access to so much gear as a homebrewer that I let myself become a guinea pig.

Come off, but don't expect a full recovery IMO. Test your levels a month after coming off, and if your endo is not completely useless, he will put you on 100mg Test, and if you're lucky 200mg. You can supplement the remaining amount of Test yourself. Be careful not to lose your hard earner muscle mass when in a zero-test state, it can disappear rather quickly in some.

 

[aussiebulldog]

I believe it can have something to do with age as well. how old are you?

 

[Steve123]

I've been through this scenario, and I would tell you that in my opinion, the PCT is not going to work. It would take you years off to get back to normal. During those years you will not be happy or living life at its fullest.

I was on for 2 years +... At one point I had a continuous 11 month cycle, no bridging, but doses not exceeding 1g. Still ridiculous. I had access to so much gear as a homebrewer that I let myself become a guinea pig.

Come off, but don't expect a full recovery IMO. Test your levels a month after coming off, and if your endo is not completely useless, he will put you on 100mg Test, and if you're lucky 200mg. You can supplement the remaining amount of Test yourself. Be careful not to lose your hard earner muscle mass when in a zero-test state, it can disappear rather quickly in some.

Thanks Man. That is what I suspect too. I'm certainly not going to wait years. Phuck that. I would rather live the next 30 years like a warrior than live 40 like a bitch. I'll give it some time, see if I can get treatment. If not, I'll have to do it myself and just choke up some cash twice a year for a blood panel, which I will bring to my PCP for my check ups.

I believe it can have something to do with age as well. how old are you?

I'm 42. OBviously I'm not Pup so it should come as a complete shock to the medical community that my levels are low. It certainly wouldnt be as peculiar as a 25 year old complaining of hypogonadal symptoms.

Incidently, you guys will love this. My primary feels that anyone who uses AAS doesn't even deserve medical care. I asked how many Obese people she treats that wont stop stuffing their faces and are pre-diabetic; how many alcoholics that wont stop drinking booze; how about prescription junkies using her as a drug dealer. I said to her "I can tell you ever single piece of food I eat, for every meal, for 6 of the 7 days, and Why I'm eating it. I lift weights 5 days out of 7 and Run 15 miles per week. At 42, I can run the 1.5 mile CV test in 9 minutes, I can run a 4:5 40 at 220 pounds and can do the 400m in just over a minute".....Please tell me again why you feel I an uniquely disqualified on a basis of morality. I actually think I got through to her. I kind of got that smug sense of agreement without the actual acknowledgement that I might have a point. SOmetimes I really wonder about Primary Care Doc's....

 

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Thanks Ness. I'll check it out. I've always been tempted, and have come really close, on the Peps. It just seems like every time I start researching it, I end up more confused than when I started; and product quality and sponsor service always seems to come into question. Usually I just give up on the idea. I very much doubt Phil would sell us something half ass so maybe I'll add that to my arsenal.

I'm wrapping up a cycle now, which will probably be my last for a while. Then I'm going to give this AAS sobriety thing a try.

Thanks. You always have valuable input bro and I appreciate it.

 

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[Ness]

Thanks Ness. I'll check it out. I've always been tempted, and have come really close, on the Peps. It just seems like every time I start researching it, I end up more confused than when I started; and product quality and sponsor service always seems to come into question. Usually I just give up on the idea. I very much doubt Phil would sell us something half ass so maybe I'll add that to my arsenal.

I'm wrapping up a cycle now, which will probably be my last for a while. Then I'm going to give this AAS sobriety thing a try.

Thanks. You always have valuable input bro and I appreciate it.

Send Phil a PM...he knows a lot more about this stuff and how to use it. Thanks for the kindness!

 

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[osiris]

Thanks Ness. I'll check it out. I've always been tempted, and have come really close, on the Peps. It just seems like every time I start researching it, I end up more confused than when I started; and product quality and sponsor service always seems to come into question. Usually I just give up on the idea. I very much doubt Phil would sell us something half ass so maybe I'll add that to my arsenal.

I'm wrapping up a cycle now, which will probably be my last for a while. Then I'm going to give this AAS sobriety thing a try.

Thanks. You always have valuable input bro and I appreciate it.

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BigEvil42 tried it. You might wanna reach out to him and check out his opinion. I believe he liked it

 

[da0s44]

i am seriously against trying this if you truly have a medical need for testosterone. I too have been on HRT for about 4 years now and i tried to do the same thing about 2 years ago. not only was my natural testosterone levels lower than before when i originally got on HRT but i had serious withdrawals. i experienced horrible pains in my legs and arms. they were so severe that they kept me from sleeping or would wake me up in the middle of the night.

i finally broke down and got back on HRT and have not looked back. with a good diet and workout routine, HRT can really be a blessing in disguise instead of a "curse" for having low levels.

 

[Steve123]

i am seriously against trying this if you truly have a medical need for testosterone. I too have been on HRT for about 4 years now and i tried to do the same thing about 2 years ago. not only was my natural testosterone levels lower than before when i originally got on HRT but i had serious withdrawals. i experienced horrible pains in my legs and arms. they were so severe that they kept me from sleeping or would wake me up in the middle of the night.

i finally broke down and got back on HRT and have not looked back. with a good diet and workout routine, HRT can really be a blessing in disguise instead of a "curse" for having low levels.

Thanks man. This is the thing that concerns me. Having testosterone levels in the dirt is probably more dangerous than being high normal at our age.

 

[BA69]

I did 200mg of Test (from pharmacy) and honestly, I loved it. I almost did not feel the need to be on cycle. I was slightly pumped, recovery at the gym was good, and overall I felt great. My erections were the best since my teenage years. On cycle, I was dependent on viagra, cialis, PT-141. Even with all these ED aids, it wasn't the same as with 200mg of Test. I was also on 25mg of aromasin.

My new endo is a really prick, and decided to cut my dose to 100mg without even reading my test results. I tested at 613.83 ng/dL with 200mg, which is perfectly normal. On 100mg now, and recovery is not the same, or energy for that matter, I have a lab test due, and will see where my level is at. If it's too low, and he doesn't up it, I'm going to supplement it myself, but I would not go over 200mg.