Quinton Beastwood calls out Matt Jansen

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Quinton opened the flood gates

 

[Flex500]

Curious what everyone thinks..

I love when these dudes get to 280, 300, 330, and heavier and end up with less muscle when they diet. It's so retarded and straightforward, I literally love it and this is the norm, not the exception for most.

I know I can rustle jimmies at times around here with my view on how to actually build muscle, but this is just another dude adding a ton of weight by eating carbs all offseason who ended up with no extra muscle. Go to the gym day after day after day like a happy little gym slave all to do literally nothing but add sarcoplasmic hypertrophy that just washes away. Sacrificed his health, time, family, and life for no muscle gain....actually maybe some muscle loss. Love it, the fix is easy...it's not about Matt as a coach.

Sorry, this is a completely off topic post not relevant to the discussion at hand.

 

[Hyperemia]

I know I can rustle jimmies at times around here with my view on how to actually build muscle, but this is just another dude adding a ton of weight by eating carbs all offseason who ended up with no extra muscle. Go to the gym day after day after day like a happy little gym slave all to do literally nothing but add sarcoplasmic hypertrophy that just washes away. Sacrificed his health, time, family, and life for no muscle gain....actually maybe some muscle loss. Love it, the fix is easy...it's not about Matt as a coach.

Who do you think sets up their diet?

 

[Flocci]

I love when these dudes get to 280, 300, 330, and heavier and end up with less muscle when they diet. It's so retarded and straightforward, I literally love it and this is the norm, not the exception for most.

I know I can rustle jimmies at times around here with my view on how to actually build muscle, but this is just another dude adding a ton of weight by eating carbs all offseason who ended up with no extra muscle. Go to the gym day after day after day like a happy little gym slave all to do literally nothing but add sarcoplasmic hypertrophy that just washes away. Sacrificed his health, time, family, and life for no muscle gain....actually maybe some muscle loss. Love it, the fix is easy...it's not about Matt as a coach.

Sorry, this is a completely off topic post not relevant to the discussion at hand.

man poor guys, that sucks.

for us less experienced, it would be cool to hear you talk more about this so others can learn and not make the same mistakes, and maybe you could share how you would suggest to do it different for real muscle gain.

is it abuse of high doses of long acting and short acting insulin and growth hormone and pushing calories too hard for too long becoming insulin resistant?

 

[dantes]

I love when these dudes get to 280, 300, 330, and heavier and end up with less muscle when they diet. It's so retarded and straightforward, I literally love it and this is the norm, not the exception for most.

I know I can rustle jimmies at times around here with my view on how to actually build muscle, but this is just another dude adding a ton of weight by eating carbs all offseason who ended up with no extra muscle. Go to the gym day after day after day like a happy little gym slave all to do literally nothing but add sarcoplasmic hypertrophy that just washes away. Sacrificed his health, time, family, and life for no muscle gain....actually maybe some muscle loss. Love it, the fix is easy...it's not about Matt as a coach.

Sorry, this is a completely off topic post not relevant to the discussion at hand.

Yea I kind of wonder how much tissue is really added sometimes with compounds like insulin as so much of it is just water and glycogen. I am not saying insulin has no place I just wonder if it really adds the tissue that people think it does.

 

[Fleezy]

I had asked for an echocardiogram. Said he did it, I foolishly didnt ask for a copy. That turned out to be a lie, he never had it done when I asked in 2017-2018.

these guys don't use much gear, so idk why an echocardiogram would be necessary

 

[Fleezy]

Yea I kind of wonder how much tissue is really added sometimes with compounds like insulin as so much of it is just water and glycogen. I am not saying insulin has no place I just wonder if it really adds the tissue that people think it does.

i wonder if this becomes a 'moot' point if the athlete employs the usage of excessive amounts of t3

seems like t3 will eat through lean tissue at an astonishing rate, regardless of what anti-catabolic measures are employed

 

[M@NU]

i wonder if this becomes a 'moot' point if the athlete employs the usage of excessive amounts of t3

seems like t3 will eat through lean tissue at an astonishing rate, regardless of what anti-catabolic measures are employed

t3 "eating through muscle tissue" is vastly overexeggerated.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

I love when these dudes get to 280, 300, 330, and heavier and end up with less muscle when they diet. It's so retarded and straightforward, I literally love it and this is the norm, not the exception for most.

I know I can rustle jimmies at times around here with my view on how to actually build muscle, but this is just another dude adding a ton of weight by eating carbs all offseason who ended up with no extra muscle. Go to the gym day after day after day like a happy little gym slave all to do literally nothing but add sarcoplasmic hypertrophy that just washes away. Sacrificed his health, time, family, and life for no muscle gain....actually maybe some muscle loss. Love it, the fix is easy...it's not about Matt as a coach.

Sorry, this is a completely off topic post not relevant to the discussion at hand.

Sorry to completely blow up your entire idea....but those guys DO gain more tissue getting to 280, 300, 330.
You are confused. Also, have you touched anywhere near those weights before? Just wondering.

Getting big is necessary. Its the GETTING LEAN after that that provides the difficult situations. Antoine talked about it on his podcast and Quint also has mentioned it, he tends to get to that 8 week out round and full look and it stops. Progress is halted. His body LIKES being big and full and filled out. The 8 weeks to stage leanness is where the tissue is lost. We've seen this on other guys before. So again, it isn't an inability to grow mass. It isn't about sarcoplasmic hypertrophy or "eating carbs all offseason," its about how the fuck your body holds onto that new tissue as you diet down. The LAST TISSUE you grew, is the first tissue your body will give up when times get tough. So when Quint's progress stopped, Matt did not respond correctly. And coaches who make mistakes might just say, "push throw it...lets add MORE cardio" or less food. "We'll just tough it out and go harder" and that shit doesnt work for some people. Honestly, Baidi Farl is a PRIME example of that. That guy's waste is tiny and shoulders wide as a house 7-10 weeks out...but my god that last month, he falls apart and loses A LOT. Hell, JAMES HOLLINGSHEAD is that same way too. James is probably my favorite bodybuilder, but James is an Off season pro BBer. For whatever reason, when it gets tough, he gives up tissue quiiickly. He neverrr looks much different no matter how insane he looks in the offseason.

 

[iron lifter]

Sorry to completely blow up your entire idea....but those guys DO gain more tissue getting to 280, 300, 330.
You are confused. Also, have you touched anywhere near those weights before? Just wondering.

Getting big is necessary. Its the GETTING LEAN after that that provides the difficult situations. Antoine talked about it on his podcast and Quint also has mentioned it, he tends to get to that 8 week out round and full look and it stops. Progress is halted. His body LIKES being big and full and filled out. The 8 weeks to stage leanness is where the tissue is lost. We've seen this on other guys before. So again, it isn't an inability to grow mass. It isn't about sarcoplasmic hypertrophy or "eating carbs all offseason," its about how the fuck your body holds onto that new tissue as you diet down. The LAST TISSUE you grew, is the first tissue your body will give up when times get tough. So when Quint's progress stopped, Matt did not respond correctly. And coaches who make mistakes might just say, "push throw it...lets add MORE cardio" or less food. "We'll just tough it out and go harder" and that shit doesnt work for some people. Honestly, Baidi Farl is a PRIME example of that. That guy's waste is tiny and shoulders wide as a house 7-10 weeks out...but my god that last month, he falls apart and loses A LOT. Hell, JAMES HOLLINGSHEAD is that same way too. James is probably my favorite bodybuilder, but James is an Off season pro BBer. For whatever reason, when it gets tough, he gives up tissue quiiickly. He neverrr looks much different no matter how insane he looks in the offseason.

good point, do u think the gusy should stay at their heavy bodyweight longer to let the tissue really stick? lotta people start dieting a week after their off season is and thats like going up the rope touch and all the way back down.?

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

Sorry to completely blow up your entire idea....but those guys DO gain more tissue getting to 280, 300, 330.
You are confused. Also, have you touched anywhere near those weights before? Just wondering.

Getting big is necessary. Its the GETTING LEAN after that that provides the difficult situations. Antoine talked about it on his podcast and Quint also has mentioned it, he tends to get to that 8 week out round and full look and it stops. Progress is halted. His body LIKES being big and full and filled out. The 8 weeks to stage leanness is where the tissue is lost. We've seen this on other guys before. So again, it isn't an inability to grow mass. It isn't about sarcoplasmic hypertrophy or "eating carbs all offseason," its about how the fuck your body holds onto that new tissue as you diet down. The LAST TISSUE you grew, is the first tissue your body will give up when times get tough. So when Quint's progress stopped, Matt did not respond correctly. And coaches who make mistakes might just say, "push throw it...lets add MORE cardio" or less food. "We'll just tough it out and go harder" and that shit doesnt work for some people. Honestly, Baidi Farl is a PRIME example of that. That guy's waste is tiny and shoulders wide as a house 7-10 weeks out...but my god that last month, he falls apart and loses A LOT. Hell, JAMES HOLLINGSHEAD is that same way too. James is probably my favorite bodybuilder, but James is an Off season pro BBer. For whatever reason, when it gets tough, he gives up tissue quiiickly. He neverrr looks much different no matter how insane he looks in the offseason.

This statement is dead on on all aspects

I do believe to, a lot of the "size", isnt really all muscle. Its incredible how different some guys look when blasting full and hydrated, but yet when prep comes it just goes away. These guys IMO require a longer, slower and more tedious process of coming down. Losing muscle is a lot harder than people think...but, I do feel there are just those guys that are great "offseason bodybuilders", like you said.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

good point, do u think the gusy should stay at their heavy bodyweight longer to let the tissue really stick? lotta people start dieting a week after their off season is and thats like going up the rope touch and all the way back down.?

I mean, i'll use myself as an example. I have made a massive effort to sit above 320ish for a loongg period of time this offseason. I competed the verryyy end of 2023, wont compete at all this year due to some family trips and work stuff, and will hit the stage probably spring/summer 2025.

I have been hovering around 320 (and as high as 330ish) since about my April of this year. That means i'll probably have been holding weight for 10ish months by the time i start some sort of prep. Do I think I will hold MORE tissue vs me just getting to 320 and immediately cutting. Most definitely i do. I wanted to create a new set point. Get my body to think, "ahh this 320 shit is normal right?"

And i totally understand and agree with the point that its defffinitely not all muscle. But if you are a serious BBer, most likely you are familiar with your highest BW from previous offseasons, what you looked like, the level of leanness you were at, etc. I have touched 300lbs many a times. And eachhh year, the 300 got tighter and tighter. This year was just one where I was ridiculously lean at around 297 and we kept going. I also remember that my highest weight previously was a pretty soft 308lbs from 2022. So again, there are cues you can look at to see if this is a bettttter version or a shittier version of your BIG SELF. Time will tell though.

Aside from that, seeing Q at 320, with how full and decently lean he was, i FOR SURE thought his show weight would've been around that 280lb mark. No wayyy would I have thought he would've lost an addditionalll 20lbs and be at that 260-265lb mark...one we had previously seen from him before.

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

Sorry to completely blow up your entire idea....but those guys DO gain more tissue getting to 280, 300, 330.
You are confused. Also, have you touched anywhere near those weights before? Just wondering.

Getting big is necessary. Its the GETTING LEAN after that that provides the difficult situations. Antoine talked about it on his podcast and Quint also has mentioned it, he tends to get to that 8 week out round and full look and it stops. Progress is halted. His body LIKES being big and full and filled out. The 8 weeks to stage leanness is where the tissue is lost. We've seen this on other guys before. So again, it isn't an inability to grow mass. It isn't about sarcoplasmic hypertrophy or "eating carbs all offseason," its about how the fuck your body holds onto that new tissue as you diet down. The LAST TISSUE you grew, is the first tissue your body will give up when times get tough. So when Quint's progress stopped, Matt did not respond correctly. And coaches who make mistakes might just say, "push throw it...lets add MORE cardio" or less food. "We'll just tough it out and go harder" and that shit doesnt work for some people. Honestly, Baidi Farl is a PRIME example of that. That guy's waste is tiny and shoulders wide as a house 7-10 weeks out...but my god that last month, he falls apart and loses A LOT. Hell, JAMES HOLLINGSHEAD is that same way too. James is probably my favorite bodybuilder, but James is an Off season pro BBer. For whatever reason, when it gets tough, he gives up tissue quiiickly. He neverrr looks much different no matter how insane he looks in the offseason.

This statement right here by you "The LAST TISSUE you grew, is the first tissue your body will give up when times get tough." brings tears to my eyes, because man I tried to sledgehammer that in peoples heads for so long about "set points", "viable truly dense muscle mass not lost in the dieting process", especially to the 100's of thousands of guys out there who said "well I bulked up and lost it all when i dieted so it doesnt work"....well of course you did! You never had it in the first place because you bulked up real quick and dieted just as quick. It wasn't real viable muscle mass to begin with.

Great post TOO55

 

[BigBoss]

It would be very surprising if Quinton wasn't growing. If you're gaining strength in bodybuilding rep ranges as Skip Hill says, almost surely you gaining new muscle. How can you add 50lbs to your 10 rep max on incline presses for example and not be growing? He must have just lost it.

 

[specter]

This statement right here by you "The LAST TISSUE you grew, is the first tissue your body will give up when times get tough." brings tears to my eyes, because man I tried to sledgehammer that in peoples heads for so long about "set points", "viable truly dense muscle mass not lost in the dieting process", especially to the 100's of thousands of guys out there who said "well I bulked up and lost it all when i dieted so it doesnt work"....well of course you did! You never had it in the first place because you bulked up real quick and dieted just as quick. It wasn't real viable muscle mass to begin with.

Great post TOO55

I takes time to build real tissue, over the years my "set point" slowly has gone up, now holding around 92-94kg is no issue at all at 5,5" where before just going past 90kg was an issue, now it takes 0 effort to hold above 90kg. Also the fight to get my body above 100kg was insane now i cruise right up there once i raise gear and food just a bit.

 

[iron lifter]

It would be very surprising if Quinton wasn't growing. If you're gaining strength in bodybuilding rep ranges as Skip Hill says, almost surely you gaining new muscle. How can you add 50lbs to your 10 rep max on incline presses for example and not be growing? He must have just lost it.

gear can do that, also leveratges change when you get heavier allowing you to put up bigger weights. he most likely did gain new muscle, but didn't hold onto it long enough to solidy it, hence losing it in the dieting phase.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

This statement right here by you "The LAST TISSUE you grew, is the first tissue your body will give up when times get tough." brings tears to my eyes, because man I tried to sledgehammer that in peoples heads for so long about "set points", "viable truly dense muscle mass not lost in the dieting process", especially to the 100's of thousands of guys out there who said "well I bulked up and lost it all when i dieted so it doesnt work"....well of course you did! You never had it in the first place because you bulked up real quick and dieted just as quick. It wasn't real viable muscle mass to begin with.

Great post TOO55

Thanks Dante. I mean, the majority of this of this i learned from youu.
Stuff like thiiisss. The Gettin Big Bible. I've read that thread 100x and it's my only PM bookmark.
I actually repliied to it on the 2nd page. And this was in 2010!

Side note: i love how i say, "and i don't wanna wait 10 years.." Who the helll did I think I was lol
So much liife got in the way that it ended up taking me a bit longer.

 

[AllOkJumpmaster]

This statement right here by you "The LAST TISSUE you grew, is the first tissue your body will give up when times get tough." brings tears to my eyes, because man I tried to sledgehammer that in peoples heads for so long about "set points", "viable truly dense muscle mass not lost in the dieting process", especially to the 100's of thousands of guys out there who said "well I bulked up and lost it all when i dieted so it doesnt work"....well of course you did! You never had it in the first place because you bulked up real quick and dieted just as quick. It wasn't real viable muscle mass to begin with.

Great post, 100% true as well. It applies to nattys as well, John Meadows and Scott Stevenson have also talked about this...I can look for the pods if necessary. @homonunculus

 

[Aikman56]

Thanks Dante. I mean, the majority of this of this i learned from youu.
Stuff like thiiisss. The Gettin Big Bible. I've read that thread 100x and it's my only PM bookmark.
I actually repliied to it on the 2nd page. And this was in 2010!

Side note: i love how i say, "and i don't wanna wait 10 years.." Who the helll did I think I was lol
So much liife got in the way that it ended up taking me a bit longer.

Thanks for posting that link… I think you managed to post the one Dante thread that I’ve never read!

 

[heavyhitter]

Thanks Dante. I mean, the majority of this of this i learned from youu.
Stuff like thiiisss. The Gettin Big Bible. I've read that thread 100x and it's my only PM bookmark.
I actually repliied to it on the 2nd page. And this was in 2010!

Side note: i love how i say, "and i don't wanna wait 10 years.." Who the helll did I think I was lol
So much liife got in the way that it ended up taking me a bit longer.

Man….i still have some binders and notebooks full of posts and screenshots from the heyday of IM from Dante. Have the OG cycles for pennies thread in its entirety printed, all kids of stuff.
It’s so innately ingrained in me now to eat my protein first, dc stretches even when not training dc, and so many other things