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Radiating pain up the brachialis

Tim Zane

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So I started hitting bi's twice a week for a about 6 weeks. Normally I was hitting them once. I started having this pain which hasn't gone away for about 5-6 weeks now. The pain runs from deep in my outer forearm up underneath my biceps. The pain is from any curling motion and especially just when supinating my hand all the way outward. I believe it has something to do with strain from over use. So I took 4 weeks off from hitting biceps because that was the only thing that caused pain, but this dang thing still hurts. It hurts the most when I am at a 45 degree angle on a curl - 5lbs or 40lbs produced the same amount of pain.

I tried self diagnosing and thought I figured it out with some trigger points in my biceps and massaged them like a masochist, but that only relieves the pain temporarily.

Has anyone had any issues like this? Haven't gone to the doc because they'll just say to rest it which I don't feel is going to do much. Whenever I have pains like this I usually fix it by discovering a trigger point nearby or find that I just simply need to stretch something out a bit. Help a brotha. My wife is going to divorce me if my biceps get below 18" from not training. Any I might also kill myself.

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*and I might kill myself. Don't want anyone to miss that

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While the bicep tendon pain is important...

What we Really need to discuss in this thread is why you got married and what why marriage is a bad idea for men nowadays...[emoji5]

On a serious note: injuries aren't something you can just stretch out or find points to massage like a kung fu movie and be 100% soon.

Tricky stuff like tendonitis can be ongoing and debilitating if one does not listen to their body. Seems like tendonitis from over straining (no bruising or loss of ROM which we are assuming), which unfortunately requires rest. Did it occur acutely after one training session or built up over time?

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Seemed like it came over time after a few sessions

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Other movements such as rows may have been aggravating it enough that it really wasn't able to heal. Even if you didn't feel it at the time.
 

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Dang...I'm gonna hit bi's right now. Maybe the blood flow will heal it....

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One of the issues I also encounter when training higher frequency unfortunately.

Eventually I had to go back to once a week/bp since my joints and tendons just can not take it and I'm in less pain already.

Lighter weights and higher reps might be the way to go for a while should you not want to rest it.
 

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It's weird though. The pain stays the same if Im lifting my baby or a 50lb dumbbell.
 

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You have an overuse injury. You don't fix it with continued use, you fix it with very limited to no use.
 

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I had a similar injury in my forearm. It was along the brachioradialis muscle. I went to a specialist and he felt that the pain was caused by swelling in that area. I hurt my forearm doing reverse cable curls. The pain felt like when you hit your funny bone, electrical shock like feeling that zaps up your arm. Is that how your's feels? If it does then you most likely have something putting pressure on a nerve in there.

My problem nerve was the radial nerve. Yours is most likely the musculocutaneous, if your problem is caused by pressure on a nerve.

The Brachial Plexus - Sections - Branches - TeachMeAnatomy

I was able to heal my injury by just resting those muscle. That was very hard for me since I couldn't really use my forearm much at all. The damage was somewhere inside my forearm extensor muscles. It took about 3 months or so but it finally healed. I couldn't even grip a bar without bad pain.
 

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I had a similar injury in my forearm. It was along the brachioradialis muscle. I went to a specialist and he felt that the pain was caused by swelling in that area. I hurt my forearm doing reverse cable curls. The pain felt like when you hit your funny bone, electrical shock like feeling that zaps up your arm. Is that how your's feels? If it does then you most likely have something putting pressure on a nerve in there.

My problem nerve was the radial nerve. Yours is most likely the musculocutaneous, if your problem is caused by pressure on a nerve.

The Brachial Plexus - Sections - Branches - TeachMeAnatomy

I was able to heal my injury by just resting those muscle. That was very hard for me since I couldn't really use my forearm much at all. The damage was somewhere inside my forearm extensor muscles. It took about 3 months or so but it finally healed. I couldn't even grip a bar without bad pain.
I don't think it's a nerve pain. More like an underlying tendon and maybe the brachioradialis. That's some in depth info in that link. Thanks. So I may have to sit 2019 Mr. O out I guess. I'm gonna see what consistent Motrin dose does for me before I take another month or two off. This sucks...

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I had a similar injury in my forearm. It was along the brachioradialis muscle. I went to a specialist and he felt that the pain was caused by swelling in that area. I hurt my forearm doing reverse cable curls. The pain felt like when you hit your funny bone, electrical shock like feeling that zaps up your arm. Is that how your's feels? If it does then you most likely have something putting pressure on a nerve in there.

My problem nerve was the radial nerve. Yours is most likely the musculocutaneous, if your problem is caused by pressure on a nerve.

The Brachial Plexus - Sections - Branches - TeachMeAnatomy

I was able to heal my injury by just resting those muscle. That was very hard for me since I couldn't really use my forearm much at all. The damage was somewhere inside my forearm extensor muscles. It took about 3 months or so but it finally healed. I couldn't even grip a bar without bad pain.

I've never been able to do reverse curls (or any forearm exercises for that matter), there's something off on them.
 

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I suffered from this for YEARS. Here is what worked for me:


1.) Switch up your exercises and rep ranges. Not sure if this was your case, but often times if you do an exercise for too long and become overly strong at different parts of the strength curve, you're putting more stress on your tendons and joints rather than the muscle. Adhesions and wear build up in the same spots because of the same movement.

2.) Make sure when you exercise that you're using contraction and not inertia to move the muscle. Try to contract the muscle before you move the weight, so at the bottom of the eccentric, and when you're at the top of the concentric.

3.) Go lighter for a couple weeks and focus on higher rep ranges.

4.) Whens' the last time you had a deload week??

5.) Go to a soft-tissue manipulation based chiropractor/sports med doctor who will really work out the adhesions and inflammation in the tendon.

6.) Ice it for 20 min a day, 3x a day and apply Tiger Balm.
 

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I've never been able to do reverse curls (or any forearm exercises for that matter), there's something off on them.

Well, I never had issues with doing wrist curls, but the reverse curl is really unnatural and puts the forearm extensors under a great deal of strain. I was doing it to build up my brachialis muscle. I should have been doing hammer curls for that.
 

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I don't think it's a nerve pain. More like an underlying tendon and maybe the brachioradialis. That's some in depth info in that link. Thanks. So I may have to sit 2019 Mr. O out I guess. I'm gonna see what consistent Motrin dose does for me before I take another month or two off. This sucks...

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Sounds like it is more of a dull pain? Most probably tendon then. Most get that on the biceps tendon insertion on the radial bone. Going light weight and decreasing volume of exercise will help. If a movement hurts when you are doing it or hurts the next day then you will have to abandon that movement completely. Complete rest for that tendon for at least two weeks would be a good idea, and then start in slowly with light weights. Youll have to build up that tendon again. Most likely your other arm will be susceptible too.
 

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partially torn distal bicep

thats my guess. had similar thing happen. partially tore my bicep.
bet u did the same...... did it change shape a LIL or at all if so you partially tore it
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thats my guess. had similar thing happen. partially tore my bicep.
bet u did the same...... did it change shape a LIL or at all if so you partially tore it
-F

I was thinking bicep too since he mentioned how it hurts when he supinates. Brachials would hurt no matter if he supinates or not.
 

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Thanks for all the advice. Gonna slam this Motrin and start going super light high reps. I will probably make a doctor's appointment just to get it in in case it's something more serious.

A tear, really? Can you keep going in the gym like I have when you tear something?

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Do some research on peptides BPC-157 and TB-500. Both sound like they would be helpful in your situation..

https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/article/supplements-articles/how-to-use-bpc-157/

https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/article/supplements-articles/how-to-use-tb-500/

I would pull up more links but I’m on mobile and lazy...


For short term pain management/ potentially faster recovery (via increased blood flow) invest in a Hypervolt, Theragun, or Jigsaw massager.

https://youtu.be/J2VRH-kL6Hs
 
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