Rating myostatin inhibitors

[maldorf]

Well stated O.
I suppose being on everything and the kitchen sink might be considered the control/baseline. Then when something new is added, say TB500 and new results occur [in TB500's case significant healing of the joints and connective tissue] its not a quantum leap to surmise it was the latest addition.

The only thing that cannot be ruled out though is a synergistic effect between two or more of the compounds taken. The effects of a compound when taken alone could possibly be nil, but when taken with something else there would be growth.

 

[Dr.Big]

I will soon be conducting an experiment with HMP that will go for 3 to 4 months non stop unless my animal has some reason come up that the study needs to be stopped or if the study stops being of any benefit.

 

[osiris]

The only thing that cannot be ruled out though is a synergistic effect between two or more of the compounds taken. The effects of a compound when taken alone could possibly be nil, but when taken with something else there would be growth.

we are here to get results and grow, not conduct experiments, I am confused what the problem is.

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[osiris]

Well stated O.
I suppose being on everything and the kitchen sink might be considered the control/baseline. Then when something new is added, say TB500 and new results occur [in TB500's case significant healing of the joints and connective tissue] its not a quantum leap to surmise it was the latest addition.

I would not consider my base, the kitchen sink but saps, yes, I keep growing and I stay healthy so I am pleased. to each their own right? I will list out my full cycle if you guys want in a log, I have not done that in a while.

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[maldorf]

we are here to get results and grow, not conduct experiments, I am confused what the problem is.

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Are you here to put unknown substances into your body with no idea what is going to happen? The problem is that the follistatin was tested and it came back that it wasnt follistatin. Who knows what the hell was in there, and we have no idea how that might interact with other substances like steroids and prescription drugs. To me this is just like playing Russian roulette. Shoot it in and hope for the best, wait and see what happens. Are you really that desperate to grow bigger? One has to take whatever you have to say with a grain of salt because you are obviously not unbiased here, as you have a financial interest in this issue.

 

[maldorf]

I would not consider my base, the kitchen sink but saps, yes, I keep growing and I stay healthy so I am pleased. to each their own right? I will list out my full cycle if you guys want in a log, I have not done that in a while.

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IMO, you posting up a log is pretty much useless as you are an employee of Ergopep. Of course your posts are going to show positive results.

 

[johnjuanb1]

Well stated O.
I suppose being on everything and the kitchen sink might be considered the control/baseline. Then when something new is added, say TB500 and new results occur [in TB500's case significant healing of the joints and connective tissue] its not a quantum leap to surmise it was the latest addition.

If the kitchen sink would fit in a 29guage, 1/2" diabetic syringe, I'd inject it for good measure. Hahaha...

 

[osiris]

IMO, you posting up a log is pretty much useless as you are an employee of Ergopep. Of course your posts are going to show positive results.

Thank you for your opinion and again, I am sorry that you impacted your health in your quest to be bb'er. I mention this because of your opinion of folli, if all the gear you took didn't allow you to reach your goals, folli wouldn't either. so, I find your opinion on the matter biased also. I am sorry.you were disappointed. If you find no value in my log, unlike the thousands of other members that do, you have the option to NEVER read it

People here know I tell the truth as it is....and guess what mal, I don't ask people to take me at my word, I provide pics showing progress.

I.hope you and your family is having a great holiday

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[osiris]

If the kitchen sink would fit in a 29guage, 1/2" diabetic syringe, I'd inject it for good measure. Hahaha...

Lmao, true story jjb1!!!!! My man, we gotta catch up, its,been a minute right?

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[kscowboy]

Yeah O its hard for me to buy into some of these PEPTIDES for a couple reasons.
1. Most people are on numerous compounds (Just like you admitted) so who knows what is working and what is not. If i take something i want to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is doing what i expect it to do. I dont want to take something for 8 weeks and drop 2% bodyfat, i can do that with cheap cardio. You can say you know your body so you know what is working but that is what most people say and they dont know 100% which compound is doing the work.

2. If these are such amazing products, why are they "Research Products" and not legitimate drugs made by major drug companies.


With all this said, im not hating here. I also am looking for some other magical compound that will give me maximum results with minimum effort just like everyone else. I have tried a couple peptides and so far they dont seem to be worth the time, money or effort but i am open minded and will listen for others to do trial runs and monitor their results.

 

[osiris]

Yeah O its hard for me to buy into some of these PEPTIDES for a couple reasons.
1. Most people are on numerous compounds (Just like you admitted) so who knows what is working and what is not. If i take something i want to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is doing what i expect it to do. I dont want to take something for 8 weeks and drop 2% bodyfat, i can do that with cheap cardio. You can say you know your body so you know what is working but that is what most people say and they dont know 100% which compound is doing the work.

2. If these are such amazing products, why are they "Research Products" and not legitimate drugs made by major drug companies.


With all this said, im not hating here. I also am looking for some other magical compound that will give me maximum results with minimum effort just like everyone else. I have tried a couple peptides and so far they dont seem to be worth the time, money or effort but i am open minded and will listen for others to do trial runs and monitor their results.

1) ks, i have posted pics and i have made numerous posts concerning everything from soup to nuts, i believe that is readily apparent that while i am not an ifbb pro, taking the doseages i do of hormones and my level of development, i am not new to the game, can we agree to that? If we do agree to that, then we can say that i know what like 800mg test,350mg tren and 50 mg eod does to me. When i add a peptide in, i can tell what effect it has if any. I wish that i could tell you i would come off and test these individually on my research puffin but i am not even going to lie, not my style.

2) tesamorelin is in clinical trials and i believe a few others are. That is a slow process, and i honestly do not pretend to beging to know the pipeline for fda approval.

that being said, i didnt take it as hating man. I dont think i have ever seen you hate on anyone here. I WISH that i could tell you that i knew a magical compound, BUT i dont. I do know a few different compounds that when taken in moderate doseages over a period of time, will produce effects far beyond the resutls of each one added together. Will you be a huge freak in one year, no. BUT will you be further ahead than you would be without them? UNEQUIVOCABLY YES=-)

I believe peptides let us achieve the same results with moderate hormones that we would normally have to up the hormones to get, this is my opinion. SO i believe they are a safer route.

Did i answer your questions ks? Its getting late and the GH has me sleepy

 

[kscowboy]

Absolutely. Thanks for the reply and the honest info. I will be reading future results and making my decisions accordingly. Thanks again, KS

 

[Gravel]

Who is going to pin theirselves 10x a day other than a bodybuilder. AAS and GH are for AIDS, burn victims, growth issues in children...medical purposes. Why would the FDA approve peptides? Imagine explaining to the Board of Directers that if you take IGF 1 DES with carbs you get a great pump during your work out.

 

[Gravel]

Yeah O its hard for me to buy into some of these PEPTIDES for a couple reasons.
1. Most people are on numerous compounds (Just like you admitted) so who knows what is working and what is not. If i take something i want to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is doing what i expect it to do. I dont want to take something for 8 weeks and drop 2% bodyfat, i can do that with cheap cardio. You can say you know your body so you know what is working but that is what most people say and they dont know 100% which compound is doing the work.

2. If these are such amazing products, why are they "Research Products" and not legitimate drugs made by major drug companies.


With all this said, im not hating here. I also am looking for some other magical compound that will give me maximum results with minimum effort just like everyone else. I have tried a couple peptides and so far they dont seem to be worth the time, money or effort but i am open minded and will listen for others to do trial runs and monitor their results.

Who is going to pin theirselves 10x a day other than a bodybuilder. AAS and GH are for AIDS, burn victims, growth issues in children...medical purposes. Why would the FDA approve peptides? Imagine explaining to the Board of Directers that if you take IGF 1 DES with carbs you get a great pump during your work out.

 

[Moen]

I very much doubt pharmaceutical companies would want to produce substances that will be used more for off-label doping purposes, than for medical purposes

 

[osiris]

Who is going to pin theirselves 10x a day other than a bodybuilder. AAS and GH are for AIDS, burn victims, growth issues in children...medical purposes. Why would the FDA approve peptides? Imagine explaining to the Board of Directers that if you take IGF 1 DES with carbs you get a great pump during your work out.

Haha, good points

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[Dr.Big]

2. If these are such amazing products, why are they "Research Products" and not legitimate drugs made by major drug companies.

All of them are produced by legitimate drug facilities first. A compound can be a "research" chemical as long as its a controlled substance and not sold in a way that violates a patent. example Cialis is patented for ED, Blood pressure and probably a few other things. Being no controlled a Doctor can prescribe it for off label use though. The active chemical in the substance can be sold to be researched, if a company found that the active ingredient caused bald men to re grow hair they could then make a pill of the exact same thing as Cialis, call it a different name and patent it for that use. Hope that explains a bit of the process.
Also some compounds just don't have enough of a legitimate use for companies to pay the millions to do the research to try to make them FDA approved.

 

[Chode Logan]

The problem I have with all these peptides is that there is so many conflicting results...yet they are more expensive then running a few IU's of GH a day. Gh, there is no debating if they work. Why the hell would anyone spend more money for something that MIGHT help?


I bought Folli on sale and I'm still pissed off, the price I paid to run 15 days of that crap could have bought me a kit of GH, which would have lasted me a month and gotten 1000x better results.

 

[Chode Logan]

It wasn't from Ergo but another sponsor on this site though, so before anyone from that company lashes out at me (which seems to happen a lot), I will put that on record.

 

[osiris]

The problem I have with all these peptides is that there is so many conflicting results...yet they are more expensive then running a few IU's of GH a day. Gh, there is no debating if they work. Why the hell would anyone spend more money for something that MIGHT help?


I bought Folli on sale and I'm still pissed off, the price I paid to run 15 days of that crap could have bought me a kit of GH, which would have lasted me a month and gotten 1000x better results.

Why would ergo lash out, you did not say anything disrespectful, i am confused by your statement. Not everyone is satisfied with their results. You tout gh(by the way, the 1000x times is a bit high=-)) but there are many many posts on the site from people who feel that gh is not worth the money, you know? Its a very subjective thing and it can depend on ANY number of factors.

I do know exactly the sponsor that you are talking about and i do feel bad for you guys that purchased that. In addition to that particular brand not working, if i am thinking of the same one, a LOT of people even had adverse reactions.

I personally agree with you if it makes any difference. You buy your hormones and gh first, THEN you start adding in the more exotic compounds. There are some of the more basic peptides that pretty much everyone that tries them loves.

O