raw materials and home made: question

[Wallace]

Hi!

some firends are about to purchase some raw from china and are concerned about some safety issue ....

They analized the products and it came out that they are pure with a title 97-98%. It was not possibile to know what was the 2-3% which is not either steroid or ester. The analysis needed to know that were out of their budget... From the gas mass analysis that 2-3% could have been some heavy metals but it was not sure 100%.

Question: does anyone know if the "official" aas producers, I mean shering, organon, etc, use the same raws, i.e., 97-98% pure, or do they have access to 100% pure?

I was talking with a friend who works in the chemical industry and he said that chinese chemical industry uses old fashioned processes which are pretty cheap and this is the reason for chinese products to be so competitive on the market, but at e other end they produces a lot of contaminants (which pollute the chinese environment, not our problem) AND they are, generally speaking, considered "dirty products". He meant that one should not use chinese products for "delicate things".

He does not know about the aas issue and it was just a very aspecific talk, but I started thinking about MS, Alzhemier dementia, kidney failure, and many other chronic and usually uncurable deseases which are supposed to be relatd to exposure to microcontaminants .....

Any comment on that?

Wallace

 

[xcelbeyond]

These products are used a lot.

I'd be interested in hearing what the 2-3% is but I believe that whatever it is, it's inert.

I'm sure if any powder contained microcontaminants, we'd have heard about it.

It was my understanding that the Chinese supply most of the major pharmaceutical companies with raw material.

xcel

 

[rAJJIN]

well

I cant answer our question maybe Kc or some of our
cheistry guys wll know.

I do know I have and will use it myself.
The batch I had tested was the same 98%.

Im sure there are some that produce higher quality then others
But I doubt your gonna get 100%
Especially not in the small quanitys that most of us Purchase.

My understanding is there are Only a few labs that actually
produce these hormones in china.. the rest are just trade companys or Re-sellers.

Also,
Look at ALL these underground and bootleg compays
on the net now days, and even circulating thru Gyms.
Id much rather take my chances doing it myself wth the Chineses
powder then trust one of them to do i for me outa there basement or bathroom.

 

[Wallace]

I checked with the European chemical book which states the "rules" for good pharmaceutical practice, and it lists the contaminants and the maximum quota allowed.....it is quite complicated, but it looks like it is important both what processes are used, and what chemicals are used in these processes, AND the contaminants of the final powder....

It says, for example, that benzene should not be used in any step of the process of manifacturing a raw to human medications ... because of its cancerogenic properties.....

I do not really know, and I guess it would be extremely unpracticle to discuss these issues with the "chinese" dealers, what kinda chemical processes they use in china to obtain aas ..... I asked one guy why the methenolone was so expensive as raw powder when shering sells it cheaper as a finished vial ..... the answer was "Shering must have better/cheaper processes to obtain methenolone..." .... I desume it is possible to obtain aas through different processes....

We will se .... I should have some more analysed soon .... I can post the results if somebody is interested...


Wallace

 

[rAJJIN]

Im intrested.

Post away, always nice to see some lab results.
If your feeling real friendly shoot me a pm as to who
supplied them.

I understand your points and what your getting at..BUT
Life is cancerogenic,lol
Just read the warning labels on some of the everyday things we use.

Ive taked with a number of the labs that are Hormone suppliers
and I cant remember the One main ingrediant used in the process?? Id have to search thru some old mails and read.
seems like it started with a V or a P.
Ill do some digging on it myself as well.

ANd yes One of the companys I was using "claims" to be the supplier for Eli Lilly, shering, and many other companies.
I found it hard to beleieve but who realy knows??

 

[Nssca]

Its a good question you have about contaminants.

Something to think about:

Most of the vaccines given to our children, which are mandatory to attend public schools, has Mercury as an ingredient.
Pregnant women who are at risk from being RH negative are given Rhogan to prevent complications of blood incompatibility between mother and child, this drug: Rhogan contains Mercury!
Any idea how dangerous Mercury is? Yet its in many drugs in this country, WHY?
Top researchers no believe this is the leading cause in ADD, ADHD and Autism in America's children.
My point is we poisoning our selves a thousand different ways in a thousand different moments with chemicals found in fish, trans fatty acids, industrial emissions, cigarettes. ect ect.
If you worry to much you'll end up like Howard Hughes.