Rbc

twinkletoes · Sep 17, 2020

Im 41 been running gear since bout 27. Bout 2 yrs ago i started cruising between cycles. Well last 6 months or so i got stupid n didnt really cruise just run my cruise lol at 250 and been running trest e with it n also here n there dhb. Basically not cycling off. Well had blood work done cause i feel like shit. Hemoglobin is 19. Even liver abnormal. Not terrible but first time for this shit. Ok im doing phlebotomy tomorrow getting rid of 2 pints n gonna donate the 28th. Once i get this down. Will i be able to use again long as i do it right n actually just cruise n maybe use short ester cycles with low test. Scared i will not be able to use no more

warlock · Sep 17, 2020

twinkletoes said:
Im 41 been running gear since bout 27. Bout 2 yrs ago i started cruising between cycles. Well last 6 months or so i got stupid n didnt really cruise just run my cruise lol at 250 and been running trest e with it n also here n there dhb. Basically not cycling off. Well had blood work done cause i feel like shit. Hemoglobin is 19. Even liver abnormal. Not terrible but first time for this shit. Ok im doing phlebotomy tomorrow getting rid of 2 pints n gonna donate the 28th. Once i get this down. Will i be able to use again long as i do it right n actually just cruise n maybe use short ester cycles with low test. Scared i will not be able to use no more

Donating and/or phlebotomies will certainly lower your hematocrit/hemoglobin levels which are really high at the moment. AAS do raise these levels so donating every x amount of time may be a good idea and normally recommended. However, doing it too often can lower iron/ferritin levels which can also be a problem.

Your cholesterol/triglycerides are off. An HDL of 17 is concerning. Do you take any supplements for cholesterol?

Your liver enzymes are also high. Do you take anything for liver support?

If I were you I would come off and stay on TRT for some time until you fix all these issues, then you may consider getting back on.

twinkletoes · Sep 18, 2020

Yes i take cholesterol meds. No i didnt take anything for liver. I am now of course and will for now on. Just was so comfortable with bw always being good in past i was careless. Lesson learned for sure. Yes i am just using 125 week now of test and gonna get all lined out before running anything else. Does anyone know if sarms raise ur rbc or hurt your liver. Cause i mean hell i wld be happy just running them n trt in future once i get shit back to normal. I like sarm results also.

warlock · Sep 18, 2020

twinkletoes said:
Yes i take cholesterol meds. No i didnt take anything for liver. I am now of course and will for now on. Just was so comfortable with bw always being good in past i was careless. Lesson learned for sure. Yes i am just using 125 week now of test and gonna get all lined out before running anything else. Does anyone know if sarms raise ur rbc or hurt your liver. Cause i mean hell i wld be happy just running them n trt in future once i get shit back to normal. I like sarm results also.

What cholesterol meds do you take? Your levels need fixing for sure.

Look into NAC and TUDCA for liver support. They work great.

I believe SARMS will not increase hematocrit, but will elevate liver enzymes and will mess up your lipids. Your best bet is TRT and perhaps low dose GH.

twinkletoes · Sep 18, 2020

Rosuvastatin for cholesterol. Well when im not running shit it usually isnt high. But like i said i got carries away this time.

twinkletoes · Sep 18, 2020

Liquid sarms they MA wld still mess with liver u think? Ill just cruise n wait till all good n guess run short ester cycles eventually. Cant afford damn hgh. Rich mans stuff there. I thght bout peptides but so damn difficult to figure out shit with it for me. Thanks for ur help alot.

Matsuo Munefusa · Sep 18, 2020

SARMs are toxic to your liver, yes.

twinkletoes · Sep 18, 2020

Will leave them alone for sure then. Im hoping to get everything in chk and back to cruising n blasting short ester cycles again. Just messed up n got carried away. Hopefully i can do that again with rbc getting high after i get it down. Anyone else been thru this and get it all back in chk?

warlock · Sep 18, 2020

twinkletoes said:
Liquid sarms they MA wld still mess with liver u think? Ill just cruise n wait till all good n guess run short ester cycles eventually. Cant afford damn hgh. Rich mans stuff there. I thght bout peptides but so damn difficult to figure out shit with it for me. Thanks for ur help alot.

Yes, lots of people report liver and lipid damage from SARMS.

A good option would be Mk-677. This would be very safe and will help greatly along with your TRT.

aris527 · Sep 18, 2020

Try non flush niacin 1-1,5gr per day for 2-3 weeks to bring back your HDL and lower total cholesterol or take some statins. Careful with niacin because it raises your liver enzymes a lot. Statins treat cholesterol for life. Take a suppl for lower your liver enzymes, there are many on the market. Aspirin 100mg per day for a few weeks or when blasting will help to prevent clogs from your thick blood. Donating every three months will help to control RBC. If a remember something else I will let you know. Keep it safe

twinkletoes · Sep 18, 2020

Thank u so much

aris527 · Sep 18, 2020

Something I remember, using of Omega 3 with at least 800-1000mg of EPA and DHA, at a dose of 3000-4000 mg per day , helped me a lot with lowering triglycerides and LDL.

Cv215 · Sep 18, 2020

You sound pretty panicked bro. I wouldn't freak out though. Yes, your numbers need to be addressed, but its pretty much par for the course when using aas. Its just what happens and we expect it.

Dudes will run Tren and/or Orals and their hdl will be in the single digits. Ast/Alt might be three or four times what yours is. Yes, your hemo and rbc is high but phlebotomy should bring that down no problem.

Its not like there's some anomalous shit going on. Its cause and effect. Bloodwork tells you where you stand so that you can make the necessary changes and be back to cycling before you know it.

Whats the deal with the short esters? I see you keep mentioning this as if its some type of punishment for allowing your bloodwork to get out of whack. You CAN go back to long esters. You can go back to anything you want. Short esters really won't make much of a difference.

twinkletoes · Sep 18, 2020

Yeah i keep saying that cause im scared long cycles will shoot my hemo up again. Idk. Just scared i cant use again. Lifting and using aas makes me happy in life. Thats my life.

twinkletoes · Sep 18, 2020

Having phlebotomy done today. Hope helps for sure. I hope ur right i can get it adjusted n in time go back to normal cycling. Just gotta remember to give more blood and actually cycle off n cruise correctly.

danieltx · Sep 18, 2020

Be careful with giving blood regularly - some people get rebounds and end up in a worse position than when they started. There's also the iron issue to watch. And if you weren't hydrated properly, your hematocrit number probably isn't accurate. Then there's sleep apnea that can impact it, etc. Yes, your use is impacting it, but that's not the only factor.

Here are 2 posts Dante Trudel made last year disagreeing with the 'you must go donate now' mindset in bodybuilding that's only appeared in the last 5-10 years:

F350 · Sep 18, 2020

twinkletoes said:
Im 41 been running gear since bout 27. Bout 2 yrs ago i started cruising between cycles. Well last 6 months or so i got stupid n didnt really cruise just run my cruise lol at 250 and been running trest e with it n also here n there dhb. Basically not cycling off. Well had blood work done cause i feel like shit. Hemoglobin is 19. Even liver abnormal. Not terrible but first time for this shit. Ok im doing phlebotomy tomorrow getting rid of 2 pints n gonna donate the 28th. Once i get this down. Will i be able to use again long as i do it right n actually just cruise n maybe use short ester cycles with low test. Scared i will not be able to use no more

Elevated hemo/hemato in normal non hrt people is an issue. A lot of times it can mean they have PCV which is a rare bone marrow disease. How you tell is if your platlet count is above 1000 and your hemo is elevated that is usually a clear indicator. Then you would want to donate blood and see a specialist.
If your hemo is elevated from TRT that is an increase in oxygen in your blood. The same reason fighters train at high altitude. Its a good thing. More oxygen in the blood makes exercise easier and is healthy for the body. The average hemo of a sherpa is 24. You dont see them going to donate blood though because its not caused from PCV.
I go to medical training HRT courses on this all the time. I would be glad to share Dr. Rouzier's letter he sends to physicians about why patients do not need to donate a pint of blood when they have elevated hemoglobin from TRT if anyone would care to see his reasoning. He can obv explain it much more clearly than I.
Keep in mind we are talking TRT and not superphysological dosages here. I dont have the answer to what happens when your on 5g of gear and I wont speculate. I only want to provide evidence based info in the event I can help anyone out.

warlock · Sep 18, 2020

F350 said:
Elevated hemo/hemato in normal non hrt people is an issue. A lot of times it can mean they have PCV which is a rare bone marrow disease. How you tell is if your platlet count is above 1000 and your hemo is elevated that is usually a clear indicator. Then you would want to donate blood and see a specialist.
If your hemo is elevated from TRT that is an increase in oxygen in your blood. The same reason fighters train at high altitude. Its a good thing. More oxygen in the blood makes exercise easier and is healthy for the body. The average hemo of a sherpa is 24. You dont see them going to donate blood though because its not caused from PCV.
I go to medical training HRT courses on this all the time. I would be glad to share Dr. Rouzier's letter he sends to physicians about why patients do not need to donate a pint of blood when they have elevated hemoglobin from TRT if anyone would care to see his reasoning. He can obv explain it much more clearly than I.
Keep in mind we are talking TRT and not superphysological dosages here. I dont have the answer to what happens when your on 5g of gear and I wont speculate. I only want to provide evidence based info in the event I can help anyone out.

Would love to see Dr. Rouzier's thoughts on this. Thanks

Reload · Sep 18, 2020

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opietaylor · Sep 19, 2020

F350 said:
Elevated hemo/hemato in normal non hrt people is an issue. A lot of times it can mean they have PCV which is a rare bone marrow disease. How you tell is if your platlet count is above 1000 and your hemo is elevated that is usually a clear indicator. Then you would want to donate blood and see a specialist.
If your hemo is elevated from TRT that is an increase in oxygen in your blood. The same reason fighters train at high altitude. Its a good thing. More oxygen in the blood makes exercise easier and is healthy for the body. The average hemo of a sherpa is 24. You dont see them going to donate blood though because its not caused from PCV.
I go to medical training HRT courses on this all the time. I would be glad to share Dr. Rouzier's letter he sends to physicians about why patients do not need to donate a pint of blood when they have elevated hemoglobin from TRT if anyone would care to see his reasoning. He can obv explain it much more clearly than I.
Keep in mind we are talking TRT and not superphysological dosages here. I dont have the answer to what happens when your on 5g of gear and I wont speculate. I only want to provide evidence based info in the event I can help anyone out.

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