Really need help- 8.5 months after cycle BW

[fray5]

I did a short cycle ending in June of last year, ran pct and have had a really difficult time recovering since. About a month ago, i saw an endo who did BW and my prolactin levels were a couple points over the high range so he ordered an MRI where they found a small pituitary tumor/cyst barely 2mm. Other than that T levels were slightly below average for a 26 year old- total T 550, free T 13.3 (ref range 9-26). However FSH was 1.5 (range 1.5-12?). He said this was common with the pituitary and prescribed me some cabergoline. After a month of that, went back for more BW where it showed my prolactin levels were brought down substantially by the caber and my total T went to 660 and free T to 16.6. BUT my FSH was 1.3 this time and my LH 3.9 (ref rang 1.5-12?). I'm so stressed because my balls still don't feel the size they used to be and it's making me depressed. I'm becoming so paranoid I'm worrying the Tbol I took along with the Test P for a month was actually Finasteride instead bc it was from GAULS in unmarked boxes. My libido is also low but I don't know if this is because of the psychological aspect or actually physiological. I have a ton of cialis and have no problem with my GF using that but worry I could be getting a little too dependent on it. I'm also concerned that my fertility could be effed up for good as I'm getting close to the marriage stage with my gf. My endo said that my FSH levels should improve since my prolactin is now under control. Sorry for the long post, but I'm just concerned. I have my diet in check and I'm okay with no cycling, just want my balls back really. I appreciate any help or suggestions as to what is going on and if there is anything I can do.

 

[thebigguy84]

I did a short cycle ending in June of last year, ran pct and have had a really difficult time recovering since. About a month ago, i saw an endo who did BW and my prolactin levels were a couple points over the high range so he ordered an MRI where they found a small pituitary tumor/cyst barely 2mm. Other than that T levels were slightly below average for a 26 year old- total T 550, free T 13.3 (ref range 9-26). However FSH was 1.5 (range 1.5-12?). He said this was common with the pituitary and prescribed me some cabergoline. After a month of that, went back for more BW where it showed my prolactin levels were brought down substantially by the caber and my total T went to 660 and free T to 16.6. BUT my FSH was 1.3 this time and my LH 3.9 (ref rang 1.5-12?). I'm so stressed because my balls still don't feel the size they used to be and it's making me depressed. I'm becoming so paranoid I'm worrying the Tbol I took along with the Test P for a month was actually Finasteride instead bc it was from GAULS in unmarked boxes. My libido is also low but I don't know if this is because of the psychological aspect or actually physiological. I have a ton of cialis and have no problem with my GF using that but worry I could be getting a little too dependent on it. I'm also concerned that my fertility could be effed up for good as I'm getting close to the marriage stage with my gf. My endo said that my FSH levels should improve since my prolactin is now under control. Sorry for the long post, but I'm just concerned. I have my diet in check and I'm okay with no cycling, just want my balls back really. I appreciate any help or suggestions as to what is going on and if there is anything I can do.

If you want your balls to grow back to size use HCG I took 20 days worth at 250mcg im per day and my boys grew a lot bigger. I have no idea how long my cycle has been have not been off in a while. Also don't worry about fertility my wife just got knocked up while I was off 1000mg test and 600 Deca cycle. I guess I never had a problem in the fertillity dept. But if you are worried about that aspect then HCG once again and Clomid will help. And next time you get Gauls mark on the bottle when you get it.

 

[fray5]

If you want your balls to grow back to size use HCG I took 20 days worth at 250mcg im per day and my boys grew a lot bigger. I have no idea how long my cycle has been have not been off in a while. Also don't worry about fertility my wife just got knocked up while I was off 1000mg test and 600 Deca cycle. I guess I never had a problem in the fertillity dept. But if you are worried about that aspect then HCG once again and Clomid will help. And next time you get Gauls mark on the bottle when you get it.

Thanks for your reply man. I always mark on GAULS bottles when I get them, and have never even ordered the finasteride. I was just getting paranoid I was sent the wrong thing mistaking it for Tbol because it was a different color than usual. You don't think that could've happened do you? I guess I'm looking for some peace of mind there.

About the Hcg- if i were to run it wouldn't that suppress my LH/FSH further or would it actually increase my testicle size? I ran small amount at the end of my cycle but it was only like 2500iu. What would you suggest? Thanks again man, it really helps put my mind at ease to hear this will get better.

 

[fray5]

bump...

anyone else have suggestions? Does it sound like everything will return to normal and I'm just worrying too much?

 

[standard donkey]

IIRC..


hcg = lh
hmg = fsh

tormifene, coconut oil, etc. = bigger balls

 

[The Big MC]

I had similar fears a while back but I got my wife pregnant pretty quick so I wouldn't worry too much about that. I would say HCG, and keep up with the doc. High prolactin or low test will definitely cause the low sex drive. Caber will get it back, not sure about long term but keep monitoring. HCG and caber is the best answer, imo.

 

[fray5]

thanks for the advice man. It helps hearing you had a similar experience. I've been doing a lot of research and it seems that after some months on caber FSH and LH actually tends to increase. It also seemed like it helped restore some peoples entire HPTA, the ones that high higher PRL numbers. Since my T levels are close to the middle of the range hopefully I'm not as bad off as I worry. My prolactin is down to 3 after just a month on the caber so it must be some pretty strong stuff. I'm going to ask my endo about Hcg and see what he says.

 

[Kaladryn]

HCG will just temporarily increase your testosterone and sperm production, at the same time it will LOWER your LH and FSH. This isn't up for debate, it's just well known, simple, biochemical fact.

FSH has nothing to do with libido. Your libido issues are from the elevated prolactin.

Your condition is EXTREMELY common:

Autopsy studies indicate that 6-25% of the U. S. population have small pituitary tumors. Forty percent of these pituitary tumors produce prolactin, but most are not considered clinically significant.

No one cares what size your balls are, and they are probably the size they have always been. If you ever need to get someone pregnant, you will have no issues, you produce plenty of FSH to get the job done.

You need to stop stressing, stop considering other treatments, and listen to your endo, this is their specialty, and they deal with literally thousands of patients with this issue.

Further more, your issue has nothing to do with pervious cycles, and taking finasteride would have nothing to do with it, and even if you did take finasteride, it wouldn't effect you in this way. Your testosterone level looks pretty normal for someone your age.

Taking AAS always lowers your natty production a little bit no matter what, this effect is permanent, the more cycles you do, the more it permanently lowers you. Clearly it didn't lower yours very much. PCT has no effect on preventing this.

 

[tr]

you are worried too much,bro! If youll be worrying about the things-they will happen,you can be sure about that. Drop all the negative minds out of your head,change then with gond ones.do what your endo is telling to do and I am sure you will get better.

 

[bgspin]

Get out of your head man.Its you worst fiend right now.

 

[Xenorikki]

If you're worried about fertility just get a semen analysis test dude thatll answer your questions. I had fertility issues came off everything used hcg then stayed on clomid for 4 ish months and bam high sperm count and wife prego and I definitely wasn't doing "short" cycles. Don't stress so much if you could produce sperm before u will again

 

[Ehren]

Overall you sound very anxious, Fray. I don't know ya, but you've been to the doc, are being treated a for a common/minor issue and you ran your last cycle a LONG time ago. You are almost certainly fine, Bro. You can relax.

If you're worried, get a sperm count done. I'll bet you're fine.

Also, GAULS didn't likely mess up, Bro. Think of the series of coincidences it would take for that to happen. (Pls. don't post any of them here LOL). But, not likely.

 

[fray5]

Overall you sound very anxious, Fray. I don't know ya, but you've been to the doc, are being treated a for a common/minor issue and you ran your last cycle a LONG time ago. You are almost certainly fine, Bro. You can relax.

If you're worried, get a sperm count done. I'll bet you're fine.

Also, GAULS didn't likely mess up, Bro. Think of the series of coincidences it would take for that to happen. (Pls. don't post any of them here LOL). But, not likely.

You're right about being anxious, Ehren lol. Thanks for your post, it really does help man. I also want to mention that I wasn't trying to say anything negative about GAULS. That guy has been nothing but good to me and is nothing less than professional. I love cycling and have ran 1-2 cycles a year since I was 23 with PCT so I was just worried I messed myself up for good but I really think it's all in my head at this point and I need to get focused on getting that sorted out. Thanks again man for your words!

 

[fray5]

If you're worried about fertility just get a semen analysis test dude thatll answer your questions. I had fertility issues came off everything used hcg then stayed on clomid for 4 ish months and bam high sperm count and wife prego and I definitely wasn't doing "short" cycles. Don't stress so much if you could produce sperm before u will again

That's nice to hear man. I'm not planning on kids in the next months really but since I met my woman last year I've really seen it as a possibility and want to keep myself in check. I'm not sure if/when I'll cycle again (def won't be till I get these things sorted out), but I'll def be adding more hcg in the mix like you mentioned.

 

[fray5]

you are worried too much,bro! If youll be worrying about the things-they will happen,you can be sure about that. Drop all the negative minds out of your head,change then with gond ones.do what your endo is telling to do and I am sure you will get better.

Hey man thanks for the advice and taking the time to write that. I think you and the other guys have said it perfect. I think I've worried myself so much it's got my mind in a negative way of thinking and I need to reverse that. It's crazy how much the mind controls the body and I think my worry is likely doing all the damage now.

 

[fray5]

HCG will just temporarily increase your testosterone and sperm production, at the same time it will LOWER your LH and FSH. This isn't up for debate, it's just well known, simple, biochemical fact.

FSH has nothing to do with libido. Your libido issues are from the elevated prolactin.

Your condition is EXTREMELY common:



No one cares what size your balls are, and they are probably the size they have always been. If you ever need to get someone pregnant, you will have no issues, you produce plenty of FSH to get the job done.

You need to stop stressing, stop considering other treatments, and listen to your endo, this is their specialty, and they deal with literally thousands of patients with this issue.

Further more, your issue has nothing to do with pervious cycles, and taking finasteride would have nothing to do with it, and even if you did take finasteride, it wouldn't effect you in this way. Your testosterone level looks pretty normal for someone your age.

Taking AAS always lowers your natty production a little bit no matter what, this effect is permanent, the more cycles you do, the more it permanently lowers you. Clearly it didn't lower yours very much. PCT has no effect on preventing this.

Since the caber has now lowered my PRL levels below the range, do you think my lack of libido now could be due to me worrying and thinking about it too much? Or would it just take a little longer of my PRL being down to notice it? Thanks for all you wrote man, really. I've always ran PCT after my cycles and they have all never been any more than 10 weeks so I was freaking out something was seriously wrong with my body. However, I still have great muscle tone and my strength is good so I guess it isn't that bad. I feel retarded bc I'm all the time thinking about how well my dick is going work or that I have something wrong with me in that way that it'll cause me problems. I've always been a positive person, but for the last 8 months I think worrying about this has got me in a different pattern. This might sound silly, but do you guys have any advice on getting back to thinking positive and losing the worry so much? Thanks again for all your advice. I really appreciate it!

 

[thebigguy84]

Another thing to greatly increase your LH is Letrozole.

 

[fray5]

Get out of your head man.Its you worst fiend right now.

You're right man. It's weird bc I feel like I've had trouble controlling my thinking. I'll sound pretty ridiculous, but I was starting to even worry that some of the cialis/viagra I took damaged my member in some way. Hopefully that didn't happen but that's just another negative thought I've had. Seeing your alls posts really helps me see that I'm overthinking way too much so thanks for that man.

 

[benzoj]

I just went through a similar situation and ran HCG but it only helped for a few weeks and stopped working after I was done. From my research I went with Vitamins and natural supps to bring it back. Im currently taking vitamin C, E, DAA and unleashed. You shouldn't need to pop a Cialis in order to bang your girl unless your a senior.

 

[Ehren]

I've always been a positive person, but for the last 8 months I think worrying about this has got me in a different pattern. This might sound silly, but do you guys have any advice on getting back to thinking positive and losing the worry so much? Thanks again for all your advice. I really appreciate it!

Man, I've been there. It really sounds like you main problem is Anxiety. Addressing the dopaminergic system is important, and you've got a good weapon there in Cabergoline. So you can check that box. You've said E2 is low enough, so that's good.

I dunno how your diet is, or BP. But I'd get some wholesome foods in me and some anti-oxidants, some B vitamins, co-q10, beet root juice. I know when my BP is up even a bit, I get anxious. Make sure you're getting enough good fats and not staying too hungry for a while. My anxiety is night and day different when I have no food in me.

I'm sure there's more, I'll let the others chime in, but these are a few things that help me. Most of all, put these thoughts from your mind. You are not broken or sick. You look good, feel good and have little to worry about. Your junk works and you have a good girl to use it on! What's to worry about?!? LOL.