Really strange injury… A Dr. Magnus… Wondering if anyone has had it and how you fixed it

[Aikman56]

So I have an odd “injury“. I use the quotation marks because I don’t remember any acute event that led to what I’m experiencing. At first I thought it was glutes and then I thought it was hamstring underneath the glutes but after analyzing where and when and how it hurts, I’ve come to the conclusion (along with my PT/chiro) that is the adductor magnus. It’s the one adductor that assists in hip extension, and that’s where my pain is. Squats, leg presses, RDLs… anything like that causes severe pain. I feel like someone has a knife and is jamming it into my ass on both sides (both adductors are experiencing this).

I’ve tried everything. Therapy, dry needling, stretching, not doing any type of pressing or hip hinging movements for the last eight weeks. I have basically been maintaining leg size with only leg extensions and curls… Frustrating to say the least!

But here’s the weird thing: the pain comes and goes. It’s not constant except for when it’s constant. I’ll wake up some days and there is no pain whatsoever. I can walk up and down stairs, I can move around lean over everything… All with no pain.
Other days, everything from the simple act of walking on an uphill grade to trying to walk upstairs is extremely painful.
Obviously, when I’m doing exercise that directly impacts these particular muscles, there is pain. I noticed when I tried presses with occlusion training, the pain abates temporarily. I noticed when I have done flossing on the area of the pain is reduced. The other thing that I noticed is, due to the nature of my work (large territory medical sales) I sometimes find myself in the car in a seated position for long periods of time, up to three hours. It is particularly painful after long periods of sitting. I experience the same thing after sitting for a couple of hours to do my biweekly podcast.

So that’s pretty much everything I can think to describe it. Has anyone experienced anything like this?

If you have, what have you done to fix it?

I just don’t know what to do. I’ve pretty much reached the point where I’m just going to say “fuck it“ and use some kind of pressure, be it occlusion or flossing, where the hamstring runs underneath the glute, to alleviate the pain long enough to allow me to train.

Oh, BPC doesn’t do jack for me, neither does TB 500, I even tried pentosan… Nothing.

So if anyone has any suggestions, I’m wide open!

 

[Scorpyd]

Uggg, sounds awful!

I do not have a crystal ball to predict if this will work for your issue.

I used a 3rd generation Korean acupuncturist for two issues with pain and report 100% success. I was truly amazed at how fast my long term problem ( years) went away.

This is an avenue you may think about . Look for the most experienced .

I'm sure others may chime in other suggestions.

 

[alfresco]

Try a trigger point massage. It has helped me tremendously, been a game changer.

 

[Aikman56]

Uggg, sounds awful!

I do not have a crystal ball to predict if this will work for your issue.

I used a 3rd generation Korean acupuncturist for two issues with pain and report 100% success. I was truly amazed at how fast my long term problem ( years) went away.

This is an avenue you may think about . Look for the most experienced .

I'm sure others may chime in other suggestions.

I’m assuming this was muscular pain? Was this from an injury or just some type of chronic issue?
How often did you see the practitioner? Can you give an example of the time period over which it healed?

 

[Scorpyd]

My first issue involved involved low right side back pain which trouble me for 3.5 years. 2x week treatments were assigned for 3 weeks . I started finding relief after the 3rd session. Once a week treatments continued at once per week (weeks 3-7). at 6 weeks no further issue noted and issue did not come back. I do perform daily lower stretches since.

Second issue involved a very inflamed and painful Achilles tendon which caused a slight walking limp after 2.5 years of grief.

4 sessions in one month and the issue went away without ever returning.

My experience was excellent, however, I attribute that to a very skilled doctor and thankful my body responded the way it did.

Some people report no benefit from acupuncture treatment.

 

[K Bomb]

Just throwing it out there, as I experience hip pain from arthritis, which is common in bodybuilders. What you describe is similar to a hip joint issue and may not be entirely soft tissue. Not that this will help alleviate the issue. Not much to be done with arthritis…

 

[Fa Seeshus]

Do you do any of these variations with the jump stretch band?

 

[Aikman56]

Just throwing it out there, as I experience hip pain from arthritis, which is common in bodybuilders. What you describe is similar to a hip joint issue and may not be entirely soft tissue. Not that this will help alleviate the issue. Not much to be done with arthritis…

It’s definitely not a joint issue… It is absolutely soft tissue.

 

[Aikman56]

Do you do any of these variations with the jump stretch band?

Asking me or K Bomb?
Mine is not hip. It’s definition tissue, superficial to the deeper tissues. I can palpate the painful area in the muscle.

 

[Fa Seeshus]

Asking me or K Bomb?
Mine is not hip. It’s definition tissue, superficial to the deeper tissues. I can palpate the painful area in the muscle.

Was replying to you. Joint and soft tissue issues are not mutually exclusive...one feeds into the other. I have an old adductor tear that causes some instability in the hip joint. When that gets out of line I get all sorts of soft tissue lock up as the body tries to compensate and stabilize.

 

[thethinker48]

Are you sure it's not a nerve pain?

Related to some sort of impingement and/or lumbar disc segment?

 

[KingOfSushi]

Are you sure it's not a nerve pain?

Related to some sort of impingement and/or lumbar disc segment?

This was my first thought based off the description of the pain

 

[Knight9]

Are you sure it's not a nerve pain?

Related to some sort of impingement and/or lumbar disc segment?

My first thought as well.

 

[Aikman56]

Was replying to you. Joint and soft tissue issues are not mutually exclusive...one feeds into the other. I have an old adductor tear that causes some instability in the hip joint. When that gets out of line I get all sorts of soft tissue lock up as the body tries to compensate and stabilize.

Cheri/PT says my hips are great. Can’t find any issues there. But I’m seeing him today, so will have him look more closely.

 

[Aikman56]

Are you sure it's not a nerve pain?

Related to some sort of impingement and/or lumbar disc segment?

I don’t think so. I get regular adjustments, I do decompression two or three times a day… I could be wrong, but I wouldn’t know how to look more closely than that. I’ll speak to my chiro/PT today about it.

 

[Aikman56]

My first thought as well.

Starting to look like this is getting more votes…

 

[TheOtherOne55]

I don’t think so. I get regular adjustments, I do decompression two or three times a day… I could be wrong, but I wouldn’t know how to look more closely than that. I’ll speak to my chiro/PT today about it.

I would keep bugging and looking at nerve pain. I think the strange thing that at least catches my eye is the on and off then on again description of the pain. In my head, If this were some ONLY soft tissue stuff I feel like u would be feeling this all the time. The disappearance of it at certain times makes me think there is some nerve impingement somewhere within your lower back or hips that is throwing this off. Just my first thoughts.

 

[TrippplePPP]

My first thoughts are nerve involvement like a sciatic. That will come and go and make a person feel or sound crazy describing it. Hamstrings also connect at that area along with some bursas tucked in there too. A person can kind of overwhelm that area as well from "over activity". I get pain there as well chronically and also work with spine/ortho patient's who can have the same type pain.

I would keep stretching hamstrings, hip flexors and glutes. Maybe consider an inversion table. Sitting in a car is recipe for tight hip flexors and everyone is tight in hamstring and glutes. Sit once when your flared 20 on, 20 off. Foam roll or use a foam ball to get in there. You can get cortisone steroid injections in that area as well like the ischial bursa. Injections in different locations can also be diagnostic as well. If you don't get better a lumbar MRI could be beneficial but even starting with x-rays of hips as well as spine. Hip sock arthritis/labral tear pain is usually groin pain aggravated be femur internally rotating so doesn't soundalike that.

I get "ass pain" when I do legs workouts followed by a weeks worth of other weight lifting and cardio. Elliptical is a strong aggravating factor especially days after leg workouts. If I don't stretch several times throughout the week it kind of starts to get bad.

 

[thethinker48]

I don’t think so. I get regular adjustments, I do decompression two or three times a day… I could be wrong, but I wouldn’t know how to look more closely than that. I’ll speak to my chiro/PT today about it.

The back is such a complicated design of nerve roots, maybe worth getting imaging if this doesn't resolve. And even imaging unfortunately show a segmental view of your back in a specific period. But it can be a helpful tool

 

[Pheedno]

The nerve idea might be a good one.
A little outside the box thinking here. How is your dorsiflexion of both ankles and tibial rotation? If there is lack in either/both...iso or bi lateral, you might work those movements so your ground base function travels better upstream(the AD Mag is also innervated partially from tibial division from L4-S3[from AI search]