Recent blood work

[derzwerg]

Anyone care to take a look over my recent labs? Nothing is really out of line. HDL is, as expected, a bit low but otherwise I don't think it looks too bad.

My main concern is I seem to get gyno only when GH is in the picture. So, leading up to the blood draw, I added in GH and sure enough, the existing gyno I have got pretty sensitive. This is very repeatable, I've tried adding GH many times and my gyno always flares up. And the only time I have ever had issues with gyno was with GH.

So, I'm thinking it's either GH itself or IGF acting on the breast tissue? My estradiol was 34pg... Doesn't seem enough to cause gyno. Fwiw my e2 was 19pg when I was natural. Also, my first cycle, I did not run an AI and e2 was around 90pg and I had no issue with gyno... unless I tried adding GH.

At the time of the draw I was on 750 test, 400 mast. Split MWF. 75mg aromasin per week. Last pin was Monday night, blood draw Tuesday morning. I ran 8 units GH per day for two weeks before the draw. Started getting sensitivity around day 10. Switched to 16 units per day for a few days before the draw.

Also, total test seems a bit low considering the current cycle, no?

Thanks in advance for anyone who takes the time to read or review this. Also, I'd like to say I followed the advice of @bbxtreme on magnesium supplementation and it landed me right in the middle of the range. So thanks for that!

 

[TheOtherOne55]

Anyone care to take a look over my recent labs? Nothing is really out of line. HDL is, as expected, a bit low but otherwise I don't think it looks too bad.

My main concern is I seem to get gyno only when GH is in the picture. So, leading up to the blood draw, I added in GH and sure enough, the existing gyno I have got pretty sensitive. This is very repeatable, I've tried adding GH many times and my gyno always flares up. And the only time I have ever had issues with gyno was with GH.

So, I'm thinking it's either GH itself or IGF acting on the breast tissue? My estradiol was 34pg... Doesn't seem enough to cause gyno. Fwiw my e2 was 19pg when I was natural. Also, my first cycle, I did not run an AI and e2 was around 90pg and I had no issue with gyno... unless I tried adding GH.

At the time of the draw I was on 750 test, 400 mast. Split MWF. 75mg aromasin per week. Last pin was Monday night, blood draw Tuesday morning. I ran 8 units GH per day for two weeks before the draw. Started getting sensitivity around day 10. Switched to 16 units per day for a few days before the draw.

Also, total test seems a bit low considering the current cycle, no?

Thanks in advance for anyone who takes the time to read or review this. Also, I'd like to say I followed the advice of @bbxtreme on magnesium supplementation and it landed me right in the middle of the range. So thanks for that!

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[derzwerg]

Yes, apologies. I'm having some technical difficulties I had uploaded one large screenshot but for some reason it was blurry af here. And then uploading multiples at once kept giving error when I tried to post

 

[derzwerg]

 

[derzwerg]

Okay I think that should be good. It might also be worth noting I'm taking 325mg ferrous sulfate EOD

 

[M@NU]

for me, those are very good blood values on cycle.
also nothing that would scream gyno to me. E2 is slightly out of range but in relation to test its good.
Prolactin is not out of range.

 

[luki7788]

there is nothing wrong with it, very good blood work for someone on a decent dose of steroids - the only thing that puzzles me is the rather low test level for 750mg

 

[bbxtreme]

I would consider supplementing with some zinc bisglycinate. Thats based on your low AP and seeing that RBC magnesium is in range. Overall very good bloodwork for someone on PED’s.

 

[mexbeast]

Anyone care to take a look over my recent labs? Nothing is really out of line. HDL is, as expected, a bit low but otherwise I don't think it looks too bad.

My main concern is I seem to get gyno only when GH is in the picture. So, leading up to the blood draw, I added in GH and sure enough, the existing gyno I have got pretty sensitive. This is very repeatable, I've tried adding GH many times and my gyno always flares up. And the only time I have ever had issues with gyno was with GH.

So, I'm thinking it's either GH itself or IGF acting on the breast tissue? My estradiol was 34pg... Doesn't seem enough to cause gyno. Fwiw my e2 was 19pg when I was natural. Also, my first cycle, I did not run an AI and e2 was around 90pg and I had no issue with gyno... unless I tried adding GH.

At the time of the draw I was on 750 test, 400 mast. Split MWF. 75mg aromasin per week. Last pin was Monday night, blood draw Tuesday morning. I ran 8 units GH per day for two weeks before the draw. Started getting sensitivity around day 10. Switched to 16 units per day for a few days before the draw.

Also, total test seems a bit low considering the current cycle, no?

Thanks in advance for anyone who takes the time to read or review this. Also, I'd like to say I followed the advice of @bbxtreme on magnesium supplementation and it landed me right in the middle of the range. So thanks for that!

If i was you i would consult a specialist on the matter, those could be GH sensitive tumors, that is if you really want to use gh, the other solution would be not to use gh

 

[derzwerg]

for me, those are very good blood values on cycle.
also nothing that would scream gyno to me. E2 is slightly out of range but in relation to test its good.
Prolactin is not out of range.

Yeah... I was really hoping to find an answer to the gyno but everything looks fine. Perhaps GH just isn't in the cards for me. Gyno eventually comes in even doing EOD dosing. Maybe I'll try only training days.

there is nothing wrong with it, very good blood work for someone on a decent dose of steroids - the only thing that puzzles me is the rather low test level for 750mg

Thanks for taking the time to look and reply. Test is from QSC... Perhaps I'll switch to a different source before my next labs and see if it makes a difference. Any thoughts on my gyno?

I would consider supplementing with some zinc bisglycinate. Thats based on your low AP and seeing that RBC magnesium is in range. Overall very good bloodwork for someone on PED’s.

Thanks for weighing in! Would zinc picolinate be acceptable? I currently take 50mg picolinate before. I tried bisglycinate but, even with food, it would make me nauseous.

If i was you i would consult a specialist on the matter, those could be GH sensitive tumors, that is if you really want to use gh, the other solution would be not to use gh

I did have a mammogram and ultrasound and they confirmed it as gynecomastia

 

[bbxtreme]

Yeah... I was really hoping to find an answer to the gyno but everything looks fine. Perhaps GH just isn't in the cards for me. Gyno eventually comes in even doing EOD dosing. Maybe I'll try only training days.



Thanks for taking the time to look and reply. Test is from QSC... Perhaps I'll switch to a different source before my next labs and see if it makes a difference. Any thoughts on my gyno?



Thanks for weighing in! Would zinc picolinate be acceptable? I currently take 50mg picolinate before. I tried bisglycinate but, even with food, it would make me nauseous.



I did have a mammogram and ultrasound and they confirmed it as gynecomastia

Zinc picolinate is fine and you could consider adding another 200mg of magnesium as well to bring it up.

In regards to the gyno and HGH- maybe this is way too simplistic of an explanation, but it sounds like you have exhausted bloodwork and test. The additional water you will hold could just be making it more pronounced.

Once the tissue is formed, it is there. Compounds just cause it to flare up more and excess water or fat weight will make it more pronounced.

 

[derzwerg]

Zinc picolinate is fine and you could consider adding another 200mg of magnesium as well to bring it up.

In regards to the gyno and HGH- maybe this is way too simplistic of an explanation, but it sounds like you have exhausted bloodwork and test. The additional water you will hold could just be making it more pronounced.

Once the tissue is formed, it is there. Compounds just cause it to flare up more and excess water or fat weight will make it more pronounced.

Thanks for the advice, I'll add some extra magnesium. Maybe check zinc on the next labs.

As far as gh, perhaps I'll try only training days or even just a couple days a week. I've got quite a stash so I'd hate to abandon it completely. All generic but it's been an issue across sources.

 

[bbxtreme]

Thanks for the advice, I'll add some extra magnesium. Maybe check zinc on the next labs.

As far as gh, perhaps I'll try only training days or even just a couple days a week. I've got quite a stash so I'd hate to abandon it completely. All generic but it's been an issue across sources.

If you do my suggestion is to run plasma zinc.

On the HGH you could try 2iu before training. Keep it low and work from there. If not you can make plenty of progress without it.

 

[Neuro1234]

GH causes my prolactin to rise which could be what’s happening to you and your nips.

 

[Bio]

Are feeling sensitivity in the nipple or are you just seeing gyno? I'm asking because it could be once you start the GH, along the right diet, you could be losing fat and then revealing existing gyno. In that case, GH wouldn't be causing it, just helping to reveal it via fat loss.

 

[NEMSZ]

there is nothing wrong with it, very good blood work for someone on a decent dose of steroids - the only thing that puzzles me is the rather low test level for 750mg

Beat me to it.. I dont know why people aren’t catching on to this.. Its super obvious tons of sources are underdosing their gear.. They want to make as much profit as possible just like any other business, people try to save a couple bucks to spend $15-$20 on a bottle of Test instead of, I don’t know, $50? And they’re getting half the dose..

His numbers are close to what I got on 350mg…

 

[derzwerg]

GH causes my prolactin to rise which could be what’s happening to you and your nips.

Prolactin is right in the center of the normal range. But as long as I'm experimenting with gh going forward I could try to take it lower. Idk... I've never really liked the idea of dabbling with dopamine agonists

 

[derzwerg]

Are feeling sensitivity in the nipple or are you just seeing gyno? I'm asking because it could be once you start the GH, along the right diet, you could be losing fat and then revealing existing gyno. In that case, GH wouldn't be causing it, just helping to reveal it via fat loss.

Definitely feeling it

 

[Neuro1234]

Prolactin is right in the center of the normal range. But as long as I'm experimenting with gh going forward I could try to take it lower. Idk... I've never really liked the idea of dabbling with dopamine agonists

Oh my bad dude! I totally missed that. Ignore me.

 

[derzwerg]

Beat me to it.. I dont know why people aren’t catching on to this.. Its super obvious tons of sources are underdosing their gear.. They want to make as much profit as possible just like any other business, people try to save a couple bucks to spend $15-$20 on a bottle of Test instead of, I don’t know, $50? And they’re getting half the dose..

His numbers are close to what I got on 350mg…

I'm open to trying a different source. My test is from QSC who, unless I'm mistaken, had consistently good jano tests. I think the lowest I saw on their test c 250 was 230/ml. Even if I had that batch it would only be making a difference of 60mg per week.