Reducing on cycle HPTA suppression

[wtw11171]

This question has to do with the use of opioid antagonists. Recently there was a discussion concerning withdrawl from opiates and for some reason I started searching around about the use of buprenorphine (suboxone) within the BB community. I came across some interesting theories on the topic of using opioid antagonists to reduce HPTA suppression while on cycle. Has anyone experimented with this and what is/was the final conclusion?

 

[osiris]

In answer to your question, read through DatBTrue's Sticky. he address the effects of opiates on gh levels, and i believe endocrine function.

I would seriously caution you against taking an opiate(suboxone etc) for the pursuit of bodybuilding. These are one of the most addictive substances known to man and this hobby is rife with stories of people hooked on nubain, torbogesic, or other opiates. Its just not worth it and remember there is no magic pill.

 

[clintchiz]

In answer to your question, read through DatBTrue's Sticky. he address the effects of opiates on gh levels, and i believe endocrine function.

I would seriously caution you against taking an opiate(suboxone etc) for the pursuit of bodybuilding. These are one of the most addictive substances known to man and this hobby is rife with stories of people hooked on nubain, torbogesic, or other opiates. Its just not worth it and remember there is no magic pill.

Suboxone contains both an opiod agonist (buprenorphine) and an antagonist (naloxone). Buprenorphine is what you don't want to be taking/getting hooked on. It's possible to just take an opiod antagonist by itself, such as Naltrexone which is not addictive.

Personally I take 12.5mg 3x per week of Naltrexone and it seems to subjectively help with my on-cycle suppression, similar to a good dose of HCG, which I also take 2x per week @ 500iu. I figure throwing in the Naltrexone can't hurt, but can't say definitely that it has helped.

 

[wtw11171]

Thanks for the few replies I received. Wasn't planning on taking them it was a theory I wanted to hear more about from some one who actually pursued this. Was looking for experience from some one who experimented. Thanks and hopefully some other might chime in. I did appreciate the article.

 

[Dave_19]

Personally I wouldn't mess with it. I think HCG @ 200-250iu EOD through out your cycle would be a better option. I know most still use Nolva for PCT also to induce HPTA stimulation, but I feel Toremifene/Fareston is a superior SERM for HPTA restoration.

 

[wtw11171]

No doubt bro you are correct in everything you stated. The subject came up in another thread about withdrawl from opiates. I personally have some subs that I carry on hand for guys that want to come off opiates, not for personal use. (An idea I picked up from Old Timers carrying booze and sedatives for 12 step calls.) I decided to investigate subs being used in the BB Community. In doing as such I came across this topic and wanted to see if any guys here experimented. I guess it's just my thing. It doesn't appear that anyone here has really ventured into this so oh well so much for that!!!

Personally I wouldn't mess with it. I think HCG @ 200-250iu EOD through out your cycle would be a better option. I know most still use Nolva for PCT also to induce HPTA stimulation, but I feel Toremifene/Fareston is a superior SERM for HPTA restoration.