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Regaining fertility with or without test?

ricky23

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Hello all. To regain fertility while using hcg do you think it’s necessary or beneficial to go off test completely?

I have been off test over a month using HCG 500ius eod
LH is 0.3
FSH 0.3
Test 200ng/dl

Crazy thing is when I was using 1g test and 2000ius HCG LH was 2.1 and so was FSH
But estro was very high.

At the moment plan is to increase HCG to 2000iu eod and stay off test til the wife is pregnant.
But would love to jump back on some test to feel better.

Thanks
 

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Have you looked into hmg at all?
 

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U can use TRT test, you can be on a full blast or you can be completely off.
Guys have gotten their girls preg every which way.

If you plan to use HMG/HCG (I'm doing the exact same right now), i would do choose behind a low TRT and being 100% completely off. BOTH will work eventually i think.
 

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U can use TRT test, you can be on a full blast or you can be completely off.
Guys have gotten their girls preg every which way.

If you plan to use HMG/HCG (I'm doing the exact same right now), i would do choose behind a low TRT and being 100% completely off. BOTH will work eventually i think.
Thanks. Yes I’m trying to stay off completely but it’s tough living with low test symptoms. Also seeing how many ppl have conceived with high test + high HCG despite being unable to before, Dave palumbo talked about high doses of test actually increasing Sertoli cell test but sounds very suspect to me.
 

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Thanks. Yes I’m trying to stay off completely but it’s tough living with low test symptoms. Also seeing how many ppl have conceived with high test + high HCG despite being unable to before, Dave palumbo talked about high doses of test actually increasing Sertoli cell test but sounds very suspect to me.
I know a lot of fertility clinics have guys on small doses of testosterone during treatment
 

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I came off test completely. I’m no doctor or nothing it’s just what I did. It worked great for my end result but I felt like shit.
 

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Last discussion about this someone had a study that healthy test levels benefitted fertility…
 

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Sperm count was zero after 15 years of use
For 6 months i did:
100 mg test per week
75 mg HMG 3x week
5000 IU HCG per week
Our baby boy is 6 months old today

Sides knows a lot about this as well as he gave me tips
 

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Thanks. Yes I’m trying to stay off completely but it’s tough living with low test symptoms. Also seeing how many ppl have conceived with high test + high HCG despite being unable to before, Dave palumbo talked about high doses of test actually increasing Sertoli cell test but sounds very suspect to me.
How else do you think guys randomly get girls pregnant when they're on a bunch of stuff?
 

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Thanks. Yes I’m trying to stay off completely but it’s tough living with low test symptoms. Also seeing how many ppl have conceived with high test + high HCG despite being unable to before, Dave palumbo talked about high doses of test actually increasing Sertoli cell test but sounds very suspect to me.
Justin Harris is a fan of that and says he's had GREAT results from his clients.
That's how Ben Chow got his wife pregnant. He was blasting 2g of test only.
It is interesting but I'm not willing to go that route unless NOTHING else is working. I've purposely stayed on very low TRT for 5 months now trying to get the wife preg. Hopping on 2g would be great, but if it didn't work i'd have to wait another 3 months just to get back to low baseline to try again.

I know a lot of fertility clinics have guys on small doses of testosterone during treatment
Completely different things. There is "on a little bit of test" which is quite normal for MANY BBers using fertility protocols, and then there is ON HIGH TEST like Ricky is talking about.
 

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Justin Harris is a fan of that and says he's had GREAT results from his clients.
That's how Ben Chow got his wife pregnant. He was blasting 2g of test only.
It is interesting but I'm not willing to go that route unless NOTHING else is working. I've purposely stayed on very low TRT for 5 months now trying to get the wife preg. Hopping on 2g would be great, but if it didn't work i'd have to wait another 3 months just to get back to low baseline to try again.


Completely different things. There is "on a little bit of test" which is quite normal for MANY BBers using fertility protocols, and then there is ON HIGH TEST like Ricky is talking about.
Yes you’re right and I should have gone further. I think trt doses would be beneficial, but haven’t seen enough evidence of purposely using high test to increase fertility
 

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I conceived my kid and I was on every steroid in the book + high doses, I had zero sex drive, and my sperm looked like clumpy nothing. It was discolered and yellow. I felt a tug on my balls every time I would ejaculate too. I was working with nothing. The semen looked like it evaporated. And my kids mom still got pregnant, but she is latina, and they are also very fertile. Now, I would implement a protocol like you have above just to be safe. Not sure what relevance this has but this is just my experience that miracles happen, best wishes and god bless brother. I always had semen increase with tribulus from metrx brand
 

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Nolvadex stimulates your balls too but it’s unpleasant long term to use.
 

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Sperm count was zero after 15 years of use
For 6 months i did:
100 mg test per week
75 mg HMG 3x week
5000 IU HCG per week
Our baby boy is 6 months old today

Sides knows a lot about this as well as he gave me tips
Sides has helped me a lot as well. Great dude for sure !
 

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Hello all. To regain fertility while using hcg do you think it’s necessary or beneficial to go off test completely?

That's two different questions, and the answers will depend on the individual, as is so often true in bodybuilding and in life in general.

In answer to your original question: to regain fertility while using HCG, is it necessary to go off test completely? Absolutely not, and the experiences of myself and thousands of other men who have fathered children while using test prove that it's not necessary. As @gotgame and others have pointed out, as long as you are using HCG and HMG, you are bypassing any negative feedback to the pituitary from using exogenous test, so it should never be necessary to go off test completely, as long as you are using HCG and HMG or FSH.

But just because it wasn't necessary for me, doesn't mean it might not be necessary for you. I can't give you any definite guarantees for your own personal situation, as much as I wish that I could. Neither I nor anybody on the boards is your own personal endocrinologist, urologist, or fertility specialist, so take everything you read with a grain of salt. Although, I will say that there are a lot of guys on the boards who know more about this stuff than the vast majority of doctors. And we charge less. Hey, this is free advice, so take it for what it's worth LOL.

Might it be beneficial to go off test completely? Maybe, although it was never an option for me, as I have been on test for decades. But since you are already off test and producing sperm, you will have to weigh the pros and cons, and decide if that is the best option for you personally.

My own experience, as I have written in many other threads, is that I am 53 years old, and I have been on test and other steroids for over 29 years now. When my wife and I decided we wanted another child, I had complete azoospermia (zero sperm count), and my wife had her own fertility issues as a mother in her forties.

I kept using test at 200-300mg per week, never went off, and started using HCG, Proviron, and Clomid, which over the course of 7 months only brought me up to a 7 million sperm count with poor motility and morphology. I then added HMG, which over the next 4 months brought me up to 31 million sperm count with vastly improved motility, morphology, and forward motion, and my wife was pregnant.

I never went off test at any time during my fertility protocol.

If I could do it all over again, I would have used HMG from the beginning, but I didn't have access to it at first, and let's be honest and say that HMG is an expensive drug if you are using sufficient quantities of it for fertility purposes.

My protocol changed as I went through the eleven months, but if I had to do it all over again, I would have used HMG from the beginning and kept it simple:

Test 200-300mg per week, or whatever TRT amount you feel comfortable and have good libido
HCG 500iu every other day
HMG 30-60iu every day (the FSH and LH in HMG have very short half-lives, and it is best used with small daily or even twice-daily injections.)

My baby daughter is almost 19 months old now, and she is the absolute light of my life and my pride and joy. She is in the 99th percentile of both height and weight, and she is more intelligent than I would have thought possible. Cognitively the pediatrician agrees with me that she is 6 months to a year ahead of where most children are at this point in their lives. She knows her alphabet and numbers, and can read words to me from her children's books. We go for walks to the playground every day, and she literally is reading off the license plates on cars to me as we walk by.

She's going to be a little world-shaker and heart-breaker, and she amazes me all the time. It has been the greatest blessing of my life to have her, and I thank God for her every day.

I hope that you and your woman are equally as blessed, and have your own child very soon. All it takes is time and money, a lot of HCG and HMG, and a lot of prayers and waiting. But when you finally get your own child, in all honesty that's the greatest thing in the world. I am grateful to have that opportunity. I hope you have that same opportunity yourselves.

Best wishes,

Sides
 

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Sperm count was zero after 15 years of use
For 6 months i did:
100 mg test per week
75 mg HMG 3x week
5000 IU HCG per week
Our baby boy is 6 months old today

Sides knows a lot about this as well as he gave me tips

This!^^^^ Only diff is that my HCG is 2000iu a week and Clomid 50mg eod. 3-4 months later, got my wife preggo.
 

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I conceived my kid and I was on every steroid in the book + high doses, I had zero sex drive, and my sperm looked like clumpy nothing. It was discolered and yellow. I felt a tug on my balls every time I would ejaculate too. I was working with nothing. The semen looked like it evaporated. And my kids mom still got pregnant, but she is latina, and they are also very fertile. Now, I would implement a protocol like you have above just to be safe. Not sure what relevance this has but this is just my experience that miracles happen, best wishes and god bless brother. I always had semen increase with tribulus from metrx brand
Thank you brother I appreciate the help. I’ll add tribulus to the protocol as well
 

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That's two different questions, and the answers will depend on the individual, as is so often true in bodybuilding and in life in general.

In answer to your original question: to regain fertility while using HCG, is it necessary to go off test completely? Absolutely not, and the experiences of myself and thousands of other men who have fathered children while using test prove that it's not necessary. As @gotgame and others have pointed out, as long as you are using HCG and HMG, you are bypassing any negative feedback to the pituitary from using exogenous test, so it should never be necessary to go off test completely, as long as you are using HCG and HMG or FSH.

But just because it wasn't necessary for me, doesn't mean it might not be necessary for you. I can't give you any definite guarantees for your own personal situation, as much as I wish that I could. Neither I nor anybody on the boards is your own personal endocrinologist, urologist, or fertility specialist, so take everything you read with a grain of salt. Although, I will say that there are a lot of guys on the boards who know more about this stuff than the vast majority of doctors. And we charge less. Hey, this is free advice, so take it for what it's worth LOL.

Might it be beneficial to go off test completely? Maybe, although it was never an option for me, as I have been on test for decades. But since you are already off test and producing sperm, you will have to weigh the pros and cons, and decide if that is the best option for you personally.

My own experience, as I have written in many other threads, is that I am 53 years old, and I have been on test and other steroids for over 29 years now. When my wife and I decided we wanted another child, I had complete azoospermia (zero sperm count), and my wife had her own fertility issues as a mother in her forties.

I kept using test at 200-300mg per week, never went off, and started using HCG, Proviron, and Clomid, which over the course of 7 months only brought me up to a 7 million sperm count with poor motility and morphology. I then added HMG, which over the next 4 months brought me up to 31 million sperm count with vastly improved motility, morphology, and forward motion, and my wife was pregnant.

I never went off test at any time during my fertility protocol.

If I could do it all over again, I would have used HMG from the beginning, but I didn't have access to it at first, and let's be honest and say that HMG is an expensive drug if you are using sufficient quantities of it for fertility purposes.

My protocol changed as I went through the eleven months, but if I had to do it all over again, I would have used HMG from the beginning and kept it simple:

Test 200-300mg per week, or whatever TRT amount you feel comfortable and have good libido
HCG 500iu every other day
HMG 30-60iu every day (the FSH and LH in HMG have very short half-lives, and it is best used with small daily or even twice-daily injections.)

My baby daughter is almost 19 months old now, and she is the absolute light of my life and my pride and joy. She is in the 99th percentile of both height and weight, and she is more intelligent than I would have thought possible. Cognitively the pediatrician agrees with me that she is 6 months to a year ahead of where most children are at this point in their lives. She knows her alphabet and numbers, and can read words to me from her children's books. We go for walks to the playground every day, and she literally is reading off the license plates on cars to me as we walk by.

She's going to be a little world-shaker and heart-breaker, and she amazes me all the time. It has been the greatest blessing of my life to have her, and I thank God for her every day.

I hope that you and your woman are equally as blessed, and have your own child very soon. All it takes is time and money, a lot of HCG and HMG, and a lot of prayers and waiting. But when you finally get your own child, in all honesty that's the greatest thing in the world. I am grateful to have that opportunity. I hope you have that same opportunity yourselves.

Best wishes,

Sides
Thank you Sides this is an extremely helpful post. I was going too low with the HCG (too worried about estrogen and the negative feedback loop) so now I’ve started 2000ius eod and 75iu hmg.

I was on over a gram of test and 2000iu HCG eod a couple of years ago and within a couple of weeks lh and FSH rose to 2 from 0.3
So I might just add test back in because I’m struggling without it.

I had a funny feeling that very high test doses actually reached the Sertoli cells maybe saturating them in testosterone and causing sperm production but talked myself out of it. It’s tempting I gotta admit.
It’s good to know HCG/HMG work regardless of exo test though.

I appreciate the helpful post and kind words brother
 

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Hello all. To regain fertility while using hcg do you think it’s necessary or beneficial to go off test completely?

I have been off test over a month using HCG 500ius eod
LH is 0.3
FSH 0.3
Test 200ng/dl

Crazy thing is when I was using 1g test and 2000ius HCG LH was 2.1 and so was FSH
But estro was very high.

At the moment plan is to increase HCG to 2000iu eod and stay off test til the wife is pregnant.
But would love to jump back on some test to feel better.

Thanks

How do you know sperm parameters are low?
 

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