Rethinking hgh. By sr Scott Stevenson

[powerof2]

They have an official protocol for weight gain, and it's none of this 5iu/day crap

For what? Dwarfs?


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[Designbuilt]

Read through this and you will know everything you need to know about gh:

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2014/020604s078lbl.pdf

I didn't read anything in there about incorporating slin, mk-677, nor igf-1... That's where it gets confusing... They should open their own board so we can ask them this shit...

 

[goal245]

I didn't read anything in there about incorporating slin, mk-677, nor igf-1... That's where it gets confusing... They should open their own board so we can ask them this shit...

There is FDA research and product inserts on all those products (maybe not mk-677 since it is not FDA approved yet) , read them all and use your brain to put it all together, don't make things more complicated than they have to be

 

[bg091593]

There is FDA research and product inserts on all those products (maybe not mk-677 since it is not FDA approved yet) , read them all and use your brain to put it all together, don't make things more complicated than they have to be

People reallyyyyy love to shit on you. Doesn't matter the topic either. Props to you for hanging around. If that's really you in your pics then I can see why the hate isn't getting to you.

 

[PitbullTank]

People reallyyyyy love to shit on you. Doesn't matter the topic either. Props to you for hanging around. If that's really you in your pics then I can see why the hate isn't getting to you.

yes, i really don't understand... people can do whatever the hell doses they want,atleast he LOOKS the dam part!!! ... i see guys on here all day that talk about everything, running grams, that wouldn't be top 3 in my dam LA fitness gym at 6pm lol... heres this guy, legit AS FUCK physique, and just bc he runs an extra gram or whatever higher , he gets blasted at every chance... yet when BIGA told yall peeps that a lot of pro sized dudes CRUISE on a gram, 10-20ius gh, fuck loads of slin , wrecked side effect bodies etc, he's the man that brings the truth... i don't get it... hell, Big Heinz cycles made Goals look like childs play LMAO

 

[bg091593]

yes, i really don't understand... people can do whatever the hell doses they want,atleast he LOOKS the dam part!!! ... i see guys on here all day that talk about everything, running grams, that wouldn't be top 3 in my dam LA fitness gym at 6pm lol... heres this guy, legit AS FUCK physique, and just bc he runs an extra gram or whatever higher , he gets blasted at every chance... yet when BIGA told yall peeps that a lot of pro sized dudes CRUISE on a gram, 10-20ius gh, fuck loads of slin , wrecked side effect bodies etc, he's the man that brings the truth... i don't get it... hell, Big Heinz cycles made Goals look like childs play LMAO

Exactly... whether it's the right strategy or not I'm not sure, but I'll ALWAYS listen and take the advice of the guys that are much bigger than I am, especially seasoned competitors. Bottom line is they're doing SOMETHING right! Pictures are your credentials on this site.

 

[Designbuilt]

There is FDA research and product inserts on all those products (maybe not mk-677 since it is not FDA approved yet) , read them all and use your brain to put it all together, don't make things more complicated than they have to be

Holy shit, I'm really out of the loop. I never knew igf-1 was FDA approved I thought it was only experimental. I just looked it up and sure enough as of 2011 I think... I've been off and on these topics for a while, last serious time was 2009. I remember when it first came out around 1992, had to be kept out of any light and went for $2000 a mg... it's frustrating finding out new shit, not a whole pot of time to read on the subject now a days. Just the posts I can manage to make or read while working...

 

[Elvia1023]

yes, i really don't understand... people can do whatever the hell doses they want,atleast he LOOKS the dam part!!! ... i see guys on here all day that talk about everything, running grams, that wouldn't be top 3 in my dam LA fitness gym at 6pm lol... heres this guy, legit AS FUCK physique, and just bc he runs an extra gram or whatever higher , he gets blasted at every chance... yet when BIGA told yall peeps that a lot of pro sized dudes CRUISE on a gram, 10-20ius gh, fuck loads of slin , wrecked side effect bodies etc, he's the man that brings the truth... i don't get it... hell, Big Heinz cycles made Goals look like childs play LMAO

Exactly. There is a whole spectrum and Goal245 is on one side. We need both sides for debates/opinions/posts to be interesting. I think Goal245 has only added since he has been posting. Plus if that is him he looks unreal. Many of the guys who have had a go at him have their head in the sand. I always find it amusing how some guys can post certain things and it's liked by everyone yet get someone else to post the same thing and all they get is hate.

Why are guys acting like 15IU HGH per day is out of this world rare and stupid... bodybuilders have been using that amount for years. Many don't have access to pharm grade so use double in ug stuff. A lot of the guys many look up to do exactly (or have tried) what Goal245 posts about they just just don't post in the open about it. There is too much hate on this forum especially when a guy is just being honest about what he does. If you think it is stupid then fair enough but I don't get the posts acting like he is an idiot. Plus again look at the guy... one of the best physiques on the entire forum.

 

[richiec]

Exactly. There is a whole spectrum and Goal245 is on one side. We need both sides for debates/opinions/posts to be interesting. I think Goal245 has only added since he has been posting. Plus if that is him he looks unreal. Many of the guys who have had a go at him have their head in the sand. I always find it amusing how some guys can post certain things and it's liked by everyone yet get someone else to post the same thing and all they get is hate.

Why are guys acting like 15IU HGH per day is out of this world rare and stupid... bodybuilders have been using that amount for years. Many don't have access to pharm grade so use double in ug stuff. A lot of the guys many look up to do exactly (or have tried) what Goal245 posts about they just just don't post in the open about it. There is too much hate on this forum especially when a guy is just being honest about what he does. If you think it is stupid then fair enough but I don't get the posts acting like he is an idiot. Plus again look at the guy... one of the best physiques on the entire forum.

Could be jealousy. Like you said, many guys use "high" doses but don't post it as they don't look like they use that much. Could be an embarrassing thing and they're mad. Like the guy in the gym who's on aas in the gym talks carp about the guy who's bigger and stronger than he is. High school crap

 

[Designbuilt]

There is FDA research and product inserts on all those products (maybe not mk-677 since it is not FDA approved yet) , read them all and use your brain to put it all together, don't make things more complicated than they have to be

Yeah, but that's just it... Reading all of that research would make it more complicated than it has to be... I'm here on a bodybuilding board, because there are people who are a lot more serious about this than I am... I don't need to know that the FDA wrote something in order to lend it credence...

If you, or others here on this board, tried using gh, igf-1, insulin and/or whatever else and obtained good results, (which inferring from what I just read on posts following yours about your pictures, which I haven't seen btw, but I'm sure they're great) Then, I'll take your word for it...

I am here to see real world results from people who tried things and obtained good results, that's good enough for me... I simply don't have time to read through endless literature... Besides, most likely others have already done so... I feel that sometimes things don't work as good in the real world as they do on paper...

Bodybuilding is just a hobby for me... So I don't want to read though all of this, nor watch a 3 hour video and 'use my head' more than I have to... So an interpretation and or abbreviated version would be wonderful...

Something like:

Take 10ius of gh IV 30 mins before the gym, take 10 units of Humalog 15 mins before the gym, with a shake, take a shake to the gym, then do igf-1 100mcg PWO with another shake... Then take MC-677 at night... Because this literature says so, then leave the link, just in case someone needs to verify...

 

[goal245]

Holy shit, I'm really out of the loop. I never knew igf-1 was FDA approved I thought it was only experimental. I just looked it up and sure enough as of 2011 I think... I've been off and on these topics for a while, last serious time was 2009. I remember when it first came out around 1992, had to be kept out of any light and went for $2000 a mg... it's frustrating finding out new shit, not a whole pot of time to read on the subject now a days. Just the posts I can manage to make or read while working...

There is only 1 brand of FDA igf1 on the market, Increlex and it's crazy expensive, like $20k+and only prescribed to growth deficient kids. There was a long acting version available for a few years but it has been discontinued (forgot the name)

 

[goal245]

Thanks for the nice comments.

Ill be starting my contest prep in 1 week, maybe Ill post what I'm doing, diet and drug wise. It's pretty light at the start.

 

[Elvia1023]

Everything is so individual though. Some guys don't need anything exotic to win big shows whereas others are using tonnes of drugs to look 5th best in their gym.

I love the science behind everything but people do overcomplicate things and most of the time just getting a drug inside you on a consistent basis is the most important thing. For this topic the drug is HGH. I haven't used much HGH myself but know many who have used loads. Some guys are using 4IU per day and looking freaky whilst others... well you get the point.

Me personally for someone like you and your goals 5-6IU of good hgh split into 2 injections per day would be plenty. Insulin I would recommend no more than 5iu per injection and I would take that multiple times per day (or at least with the 2 hgh injections). Other drugs (igf-1, ghrp, ghrh etc) aren't really needed on that stack but sure cycle them in if you want. But for someone with your goals you don't really want to be pinning yourself all through everyday. The slin and hgh alone would be 4 injections per day.

MK-677 is amazing but the fatigue for me is unbearable. I can do 10mg with no issues at all but 15mg+ and the fatigue gets bad. 10mg per day with the other elements would be a solid plan.

Yeah, but that's just it... Reading all of that research would make it more complicated than it has to be... I'm here on a bodybuilding board, because there are people who are a lot more serious about this than I am... I don't need to know that the FDA wrote something in order to lend it credence...

If you, or others here on this board, tried using gh, igf-1, insulin and/or whatever else and obtained good results, (which inferring from what I just read on posts following yours about your pictures, which I haven't seen btw, but I'm sure they're great) Then, I'll take your word for it...

I am here to see real world results from people who tried things and obtained good results, that's good enough for me... I simply don't have time to read through endless literature... Besides, most likely others have already done so... I feel that sometimes things don't work as good in the real world as they do on paper...

Bodybuilding is just a hobby for me... So I don't want to read though all of this, nor watch a 3 hour video and 'use my head' more than I have to... So an interpretation and or abbreviated version would be wonderful...

Something like:

Take 10ius of gh IV 30 mins before the gym, take 10 units of Humalog 15 mins before the gym, with a shake, take a shake to the gym, then do igf-1 100mcg PWO with another shake... Then take MC-677 at night... Because this literature says so, then leave the link, just in case someone needs to verify...

 

[johnjuanb1]

I'd be too nervous about the Cialis kicking in when not desired

It never has for me during my training. I love the pump. I took it today before the gym. My arms and calves got a real good pump.

 

[Elvia1023]

Could be jealousy. Like you said, many guys use "high" doses but don't post it as they don't look like they use that much. Could be an embarrassing thing and they're mad. Like the guy in the gym who's on aas in the gym talks carp about the guy who's bigger and stronger than he is. High school crap

Could be that but I think for many it's something else. A lot of people are sheep in many ways. Although my main point was so what if some gus is putting in an extra 5ml per week compared to most. When you step back and think about it you have to laugh. Hating on a guy because you don't understand him. People do alsorts of crazy things I am not going to hate on a guy for takign lots of steroids. We are adults but guys hate on other bodybuilders for pushing it. We all know it's unhealthy but so is smoking, eating crap food etc... yet millions do those things daily. I often find it's from guys who don't even look good. Those same guys act like anyone defending them are trying to justify their own abuse

 

[johnjuanb1]

Everything is so individual though. Some guys don't need anything exotic to win big shows whereas others are using tonnes of drugs to look 5th best in their gym.

I love the science behind everything but people do overcomplicate things and most of the time just getting a drug inside you on a consistent basis is the most important thing. For this topic the drug is HGH. I haven't used much HGH myself but know many who have used loads. Some guys are using 4IU per day and looking freaky whilst others... well you get the point.

Me personally for someone like you and your goals 5-6IU of good hgh split into 2 injections per day would be plenty. Insulin I would recommend no more than 5iu per injection and I would take that multiple times per day (or at least with the 2 hgh injections). Other drugs (igf-1, ghrp, ghrh etc) aren't really needed on that stack but sure cycle them in if you want. But for someone with your goals you don't really want to be pinning yourself all through everyday. The slin and hgh alone would be 4 injections per day.

MK-677 is amazing but the fatigue for me is unbearable. I can do 10mg with no issues at all but 15mg+ and the fatigue gets bad. 10mg per day with the other elements would be a solid plan.

I'm on 25mg-35mg MK-677 every morning. Today, I took it and my bp med(clonodine hcl) then fell back asleep for 3 hours. I love using it this way. My hands always are numb from it while I sleep the extra 3 hours. Unfortunately, when I get up for work I can't take it and fall back asleep. I have to take a little preworkout powder for work. I've been on it non stop for 9 months. I wonder if my energy would go up if I stopped but I don't want to stop.

 

[Elvia1023]

I'm on 25mg-35mg MK-677 every morning. Today, I took it and my bp med(clonodine hcl) then fell back asleep for 3 hours. I love using it this way. My hands always are numb from it while I sleep the extra 3 hours. Unfortunately, when I get up for work I can't take it and fall back asleep. I have to take a little preworkout powder for work. I've been on it non stop for 9 months. I wonder if my energy would go up if I stopped but I don't want to stop.

You are just lucky like many others and don't get the fatigue I do. It's not something you can nap off for a few hours and use pre workout to mask. I just took 2 scoops of pre workout and nothing. I could go asleep on the floor right now. I have my ups and downs but I feel exhausted most of the day.

Before I needed a wee and I sat down as I was that destroyed. Then I didn't want to get up so just sat there for 10 mins doing nothing... literally nothing. That is the fatigue I speak of I am gonna take half the powder out of the caps to make 10mg.

 

[PitbullTank]

Back to the excellent report Doc made... i still would like Homons take on if using peps to stimulate ones own gh would be beneficial on top of exogenous

 

[powerof2]

It never has for me during my training. I love the pump. I took it today before the gym. My arms and calves got a real good pump.

Same here weekend I take it for sex purpose it dam the pumps ur awesome! Never popped a wood yet.


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[PitbullTank]

Back to the excellent report Doc made... i still would like Homons take on if using peps to stimulate ones own gh would be beneficial on top of exogenous

i should have listened to the 2nd vid before i asked... covered some there.... apologies....