Revamping my training, how did you know it was time to jump off of the high intensity, train, and go the higher volume route?

[Flocci]

The same can't be said about Dr. Mike, which is why Mentzer is so respected by millions of exercisers worldwide. In today's hypocritical world of pseudo-experts and celebrities, few people can build trust that will stand the test of time.

I do think mike and renaissaince periodization have popularized a lot of concepts that have been helpful for the intermediate and advanced lifter like the focus on maximum recoverable volume, stimulus/fatigue ratio, educating on mechanisms behind these things so people can get more out of their training. The whole concept of these things started as a fatigue management tool for people that push too hard, too much, too often and a way to be able to train as hard as you can without running yourself in the ground. I think RP got a bit lost on the way to the bank when they blew up but in the beginning RP was a really good resource for learning about training as an intermediate lifter but i think the beginners misunderstand and take a lot of their stuff as gospel and things get misinterpreted and misunderstood.


What i mean is that, they have done a lot of good for the lifting community, but there are a few things you can point out that arent great as well.

Mike vs mentzer? i dont think we can compare it.

 

[Aikman56]

Which interview is this, do you mind sharing the link to the interview where they talk about this?


If anyone wants to hear more anecdotes about mentzer, larry pollock talks a lot about mentzer on his podcast, they trained and lived together back in the day and there are some wild stories including amphetamines, deca and heavy training

I listen to so much media, I can’t keep it all straight. If I’m not mistaken, it was one of his interviews on the OvercomeCast on YouTube.

I think it’s the more recent of the two, from a day or two ago, but don’t quote me on that.

 

[qbkilla]

All of these reactions to Mike really baffle me… He never once said that he was a better bodybuilder and Mike Mentzer. He said that he was bigger and stronger. Objectively, both are true.
Neither can I understand the speed at which people are racing to jump to the defense of someone who devolved into insanity and methamphetamine addiction just because he lost a bodybuilding competition. That isn't exactly the personality that I would rush to glaze.

Besides, all of that, Mike has brought plenty of value to the space and he's (to me) really entertaining. And the Solomon guy that spent all the time tearing him down is pretty pathetic. The dude's entire personality is wrapped up and running down a single person? Yeah, really strong look. Off-topic, but kind of related, it's like Mike Arnold… A brilliant guy with tons of knowledge, but he can't make it through a paragraph without saying something about Israetel.
These guys are as annoying as Dave Palumbo, every time he defaults to his nasally Steve Blackman impression. It was funny in 2005, but it's been two decades… Find a new schtick.

Anyway, I would bet my next quarterly bonus that Dore never even watched a video of what Mike Anyway, I would bet my next quarterly bonus that Dorian never even watched a video of what Mike said, just went by what someone told him.ACTUALLY said, just went by what someone told him.

I think part of it is that he started out humble and posted legit videos about training, proper form, and didn't have all the horseshit. At some point the purpose of his videos went from teaching/providing value to the customer, to penis jokes, talk about him getting lipo and his ribs removed, and videos of him vomiting apparently, according to him, because he trained so hard. I think alot of people are just disappointed in him to be honest. Almost like a wrestler who turns heal. He worked hard to build a reputation as someone who can provide quality no nonsense content and then he turned into an assclown. Just my .02

 

[hawkmoon]

Mike Mentzer was a whacky guy in many ways. Seemed like a manic pseudo intellectual to me. Too much speed and too much Ayn Rand can do that.

What he was though was a phenomenal bodybuilder. I think no matter how he trained he would have been one of the best in the world at the time.
Despite his personal flaws he will always be one of the best bodybuilders of his era.

Israetel has many flaws, but is a good educator for the most part.
What he is not however is a better (or bigger; debatably stronger) bodybuilder than Mentzer. As far as being a bodybuilder, Dorian is correct.

As far as Israetel's exposure by Nelson - that's his own doing as the evidence doesn't support his claims and truth comes out sooner or later.
Highlighting yourself repeatedly draws attention, and attention brings critique.

We now return to our regular programming...

 

[Aikman56]

Yeah, let’s get back to talking about ME!!!


JOKING.


sort of

 

[kadafi2]

And the fact of the matter is, I’ve taken probably about the same amount of information/influence from one as I have the other.

Okay, I won't get into who's bigger, let's just say Dr. Mike has 1 inch bigger arms. It doesn't matter anyway.

I also heard that Mike Mentzer was a bit of a liar, but what's the truth? Lee Priest, in my opinion, is a very unreliable source of information. It's not about following his training principles exactly, but about certain principles worth applying to yourself. Tell me, I'm curious, what did you learn from Dr. Mike? Maybe one or two things that stuck with you that you didn't know before.

 

[traininsane11]

Just to chime in as I believe this thread is where @Aikman56 inspired me to give it a try

9 weeks in on the RP strength app and it’s been the most productive, injury/niggle free and fun 9 weeks of training I can remember having

The weight and for the most part volume progressions are spot on.
No more adding way to much weight to an exercise/set and going backwards with it like I always did.

I’ve mentioned prior that I don’t buy into doing workouts at various RIR but what I have taken from it is pyramiding my sets with intensity for the most part

Instead of just doing feeler sets and working up to 2 top sets in 2-3 rep jumps
I will do maybe 3-4 sets per exercise and the first set might be 3-4 rir the second 1-3 rir then the last to 0-1 rir (failure) I don’t fully count the none failure sets towards my total volume which maybe I should but still trial and error

Overall best training related purchase I’ve made

 

[mimo]

Just to chime in as I believe this thread is where @Aikman56 inspired me to give it a try

9 weeks in on the RP strength app and it’s been the most productive, injury/niggle free and fun 9 weeks of training I can remember having

The weight and for the most part volume progressions are spot on.
No more adding way to much weight to an exercise/set and going backwards with it like I always did.

I’ve mentioned prior that I don’t buy into doing workouts at various RIR but what I have taken from it is pyramiding my sets with intensity for the most part

Instead of just doing feeler sets and working up to 2 top sets in 2-3 rep jumps
I will do maybe 3-4 sets per exercise and the first set might be 3-4 rir the second 1-3 rir then the last to 0-1 rir (failure) I don’t fully count the none failure sets towards my total volume which maybe I should but still trial and error

Overall best training related purchase I’ve made

But you still go by feel and don't really follow the RIR guidelines of the app, correct. I don't think they suggest doing the last sets to failure every week

 

[traininsane11]

But you still go by feel and don't really follow the RIR guidelines of the app, correct. I don't think they suggest doing the last sets to failure every week

Yeah my intensity stays at a rough set level throughout all the weeks whereas the app suggests working down from rir 3 to rir 0 over 8 weeks for example

I could be way off in my thinking BUT I can just about make some tiny amount of progress taking multiple sets to failure every workout now if I scaled that back I’d just go backwards

If you’re a genetic freak, new to training or older/beat up with injuries etc then yeah it would probs work

Edit:

The guys I see who really follow this RIR stuff are guys who see to never make any real progress like ever

Paul from anabolic bodybuilding: dude loves the rir system but genuinely think he’s been in a steady state of regression since he turned pro

Mike himself has he actually made any progress this last few years?

I don’t really know who else follows it just off the top of my head

 

[Josefein421]

Okay, I won't get into who's bigger, let's just say Dr. Mike has 1 inch bigger arms. It doesn't matter anyway.

I also heard that Mike Mentzer was a bit of a liar, but what's the truth? Lee Priest, in my opinion, is a very unreliable source of information. It's not about following his training principles exactly, but about certain principles worth applying to yourself. Tell me, I'm curious, what did you learn from Dr. Mike? Maybe one or two things that stuck with you that you didn't know before.

Whaaaat haha. Lee is the man. Even more hilarious and cool in person. A genuine throwback to his era that hasn't changed a bit. But yeah I havent seen him give any cutting edge info haha. He's just a hardcore old school guy in his methods and opinions which is refreshing.