We're in a transition period right now - all the big name pros from the 2000s and 2010s have stepped aside and it's a new crop of guys coming up. It seems like there weren't many known guys at NY Pro because there weren't.So where do you guys think all the pros are? I mean yeah these guys are pros, just feel like the NY Pro used be one of the shows of shows (outside the O and Arnold) I feel like it used to be pretty much everyone was at this show?