safe-mail.net

GoneForever · Jan 24, 2008

Yes they already are almost complete with it. Only good one now is anonymousspeech.com best bet is to keep switching up email addys every few weeks, b/c they need to subpoena each warrant in court to look into it.

N_iraq · Jan 24, 2008

How do you know id a site is compromised?

i agree you should change often, but how do you know which ones are already working with LE?

N_iraq · Jan 24, 2008

Dumb Question

My bad

td1111 · Jan 25, 2008

IP's site now says this right at the top of his page: "be warned Safe-mail.net given DEA universal pas code so we cant email to there , if you dont get response use another email to email ,we can not email to mailvault either "

jesse7159 · Jan 25, 2008

td1111 said:
IP's site now says this right at the top of his page: "be warned Safe-mail.net given DEA universal pas code so we cant email to there , if you dont get response use another email to email ,we can not email to mailvault either "

ah wtf, now what do we do? pm me if you have any ideas please

GoneForever · Jan 25, 2008

The only reason why you dont want to use safemail or cyber,etc.. is b/c they can see your ip address when you send the email. Go to a library or somewhere with public computers and send the email from there. Then they only have the librarys ip addy. IF they can read the email they will see your address as well if you tell the source to send it there, so have it sent to a buddy's house who is clean.

jesse7159 · Jan 25, 2008

fourthgen said:
The only reason why you dont want to use safemail or cyber,etc.. is b/c they can see your ip address when you send the email. Go to a library or somewhere with public computers and send the email from there. Then they only have the librarys ip addy. IF they can read the email they will see your address as well if you tell the source to send it there, so have it sent to a buddy's house who is clean.

so I thought safe mail was in israel and encrypted? how does le get into that one?

mature muscle · Jan 25, 2008

jesse7159 said:
so I thought safe mail was in israel and encrypted? how does le get ito that one?

well the US is buddies with Israel so i would imagine they would do what ever is asked of them.

jesse7159 · Jan 25, 2008

mature muscle · Jan 26, 2008

jesse7159 said:
well thats just F*ckin wonderful. lets make it hard as shit to do things we should have a right to do. man im tired of living in this place. what a bunch of dramatic bullshit.

your not alone bro

billybob · Jan 26, 2008

td1111 said:
IP's site now says this right at the top of his page: "be warned Safe-mail.net given DEA universal pas code so we cant email to there , if you dont get response use another email to email ,we can not email to mailvault either "

Guys, public / private key encryption, used by these mail services, does not have a UNIVERSAL key. For each occurance, both the public, and private key are generated upon account creation.

I.e., there is no back door. Now, the DEA may have a warrant, or not have a warrant (under Homeland Security), but, there is no back door. It simply does NOT work that way.

The most secure method is to use PGP (Private Good Privacy) and maintain your own keys.

It's NOT a good idea to pass these messages from, say hushmail.com to safe-mail.net, because they end up in "The Cloud" where they can be ferreted out.

Most 1024 byte encryption takes YEARS to break even with a supercomputer. 128 byte encryption not as long.

Most evidence is obtained via text messages, plain text email, and browsing and proxy logs.

BY LAW: PCS (cell) text messages have to be retained for a MINIMUM of two years by common carrier (eg. VZW, ATT, Sprint).

Proposed BY LAW: Proxy server logs (where you are surfing) would have to be retained up to THREE YEARS. As you can imagine, the carriers do NOT want to be in that spot, and are lobbying against it.

The government wants to be able to do data mining, looking years back into the past.

1984 by Orson Orwell.

Privacy is, for the most part, an illusion.

Unless you're a computer science major, you ARE being watched at some level.

There ARE NOT PCS text messages / PIX / FLIX that don't get saved. That's required by Homeland Security.

But,...there is no backdoor key in public key / private key encryption.

Usually..folks get rolled. It's a simple as that.

And..they squeal like greased pigs.

Write your Congressman.

In the case of Hushmail and SSB, Hush was served a warrant. Since Hush held both the private and public keys, the DEA was able to decode all the messages, from their encrypted form. That's all in the indictment served upon SSB, and a matter of public record. Hushmail was not "broken". Hush, a Canadian firm, with servers abroad, complied with the INTERPOL / DEA request.

muscledoc1 · Jan 26, 2008

Wow!!!-thanks,great info.

nosmas · Jan 26, 2008

GoneForever · Jan 26, 2008

You guys gotta remember that even though hush was served the warrant, they would be violating their secure agreement act to let LE look at every email they have. LE still had to subpoena each email they needed to look into, then hush agreed to crack that email,etc.. and this all had to be done in court, so you really gotta be bigtime for them to go through that hassel.

jesse7159 · Jan 26, 2008

jesse7159 · Jan 26, 2008

billybob said:
Guys, public / private key encryption, used by these mail services, does not have a UNIVERSAL key. For each occurance, both the public, and private key are generated upon account creation.

I.e., there is no back door. Now, the DEA may have a warrant, or not have a warrant (under Homeland Security), but, there is no back door. It simply does NOT work that way.

The most secure method is to use PGP (Private Good Privacy) and maintain your own keys.

It's NOT a good idea to pass these messages from, say hushmail.com to safe-mail.net, because they end up in "The Cloud" where they can be ferreted out.

Most 1024 byte encryption takes YEARS to break even with a supercomputer. 128 byte encryption not as long.

Most evidence is obtained via text messages, plain text email, and browsing and proxy logs.

BY LAW: PCS (cell) text messages have to be retained for a MINIMUM of two years by common carrier (eg. VZW, ATT, Sprint).

Proposed BY LAW: Proxy server logs (where you are surfing) would have to be retained up to THREE YEARS. As you can imagine, the carriers do NOT want to be in that spot, and are lobbying against it.

The government wants to be able to do data mining, looking years back into the past.

1984 by Orson Orwell.

Privacy is, for the most part, an illusion.

Unless you're a computer science major, you ARE being watched at some level.

There ARE NOT PCS text messages / PIX / FLIX that don't get saved. That's required by Homeland Security.

But,...there is no backdoor key in public key / private key encryption.

Usually..folks get rolled. It's a simple as that.

And..they squeal like greased pigs.

Write your Congressman.

In the case of Hushmail and SSB, Hush was served a warrant. Since Hush held both the private and public keys, the DEA was able to decode all the messages, from their encrypted form. That's all in the indictment served upon SSB, and a matter of public record. Hushmail was not "broken". Hush, a Canadian firm, with servers abroad, complied with the INTERPOL / DEA request.

wow where the hell did this guy come from?

lots of good info thanks

N_iraq · Jan 26, 2008

thanks

i deal with computers and network security everyday and he is absolutely right

GoneForever · Jan 27, 2008

jesse7159 said:
lol what kinda "big Time" we talkin?

Pretty much a source or a major reseller. Personal user, no way.

pimpman · Jan 27, 2008

its easy solution pay for a securemail account.it is well worth the money i rather pay $60 a year and know im good than to live thinkng LE is reading my crap.just my 2 cents