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Science behind short esters and low water retention???

This is totally true. I've just dieted on both and bulked on both and seen way less water retention with prop. And Emeric makes since injecting 100mg of long ester everyday would cause less retention but that's why you have a long ester to avoid ED injections...

I would never inject 100mg every day. 20 to 25mg or max 30mg.
 
If they would lower from 1000mg to 150mg per week the water retention it wold be no more a issue.

Thats My point Emeric...no one says they have water retention when they eat clean and run a long ester at a short ester dose(example 250mg of prop or eth will have the same retention) and on the flipside those that will mega dose short esters still retain water
 
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this is simple and has been stated, the issue is estrogen. just because you have an ester does not mean there is a liniear release rate, infact quite the opposite, esters have peaks and valleys.

enanethate for example has a hudge peak like 24hrs in.

side effects are from unstable blood levels and various conversion, e, p, dht.

more estrogen to some extent = more growth. crash e and growth anbd sex drive will stop. also more bloat and water.

also depot sixe plays a big role, 100mg depot is most bioavailable.

long ester + high dose+ less shots+ massive inject= bloating, zits and titties.

control your hormones, do regular injects and run reasonable doses, this takes care of most problems...
 
this is simple and has been stated, the issue is estrogen. just because you have an ester does not mean there is a liniear release rate, infact quite the opposite, esters have peaks and valleys.

enanethate for example has a hudge peak like 24hrs in.

side effects are from unstable blood levels and various conversion, e, p, dht.

more estrogen to some extent = more growth. crash e and growth anbd sex drive will stop. also more bloat and water.

also depot sixe plays a big role, 100mg depot is most bioavailable.

long ester + high dose+ less shots+ massive inject= bloating, zits and titties.

control your hormones, do regular injects and run reasonable doses, this takes care of most problems...

Is unstable blood levels only if you inject every 7 to 10 days. And is no high doses need to be injected. Low doze = low estrogen conversation % per injections = no bloating.
 
if my diet is the same I can shoot 500mg test cyp every 4th day and not bloat to badly

but if I shoot 100mg Test suspension a day I'll hold water like a pregnant hippo!!

this has been tried and test by myself TWICE!! with the same result.

I don't use any short esters anymore unless it's just to kick off a blast and since I'm on TRT now I probably won't be doing that
 
Suspension is a horrible example as it peaks twice, once you inject and again in a few days after so your levels are constantly up and down...
 

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