SCIENTIFIC STUDY SHOWING SUBQ SUPERIOR TO IV

[mace123]

Anytime you introduce anything IV it would have to be lower , that CS- it goes right into the blood. SO what if its on GH deficient, most studies are done for some actual medical reason such as burn victims- not many are done to " help Bodybuilders on steroids to become fereaks of nature" Now Im not trying to stir up anything, but come on guys- IV is not always better- In many ways its dangerous. The humangrade HGH companies recommend things a certain way for a reason.

As 123cctv pointed out in one of the other IV GH threads, can you imagine the pharm companies having to teach people how to do IV injections? It would be a nightmare and you have to remember that GH is used mostly for kids, imagine having to give little johhny IV injects everyday, its not practical.

 

[10brandonr]

Anytime you introduce anything IV it would have to be lower , that CS- it goes right into the blood. SO what if its on GH deficient, most studies are done for some actual medical reason such as burn victims- not many are done to " help Bodybuilders on steroids to become fereaks of nature" Now Im not trying to stir up anything, but come on guys- IV is not always better- In many ways its dangerous. The humangrade HGH companies recommend things a certain way for a reason.

no ones saying its always better or that there's anything inherently wrong with subq.

 

[mace123]

no ones saying its always better or that there's anything inherently wrong with subq.

Agreed!

It seems as if those interested in the possible benefits of IV use are being misconstrude as saying that SQ is useless and should be avoided, which could not be further from the truth.

 

[ketsugo3]

ahhhh no kidding?? Most pros have been doing it IM or SubQ - its uneeded and just downright stupid to try IV.

RedBaron's Guide to HGH - Bodybuilding Discussion Forum

INJECTIBLE HGH AND ITS USE
True HGH only comes in the form of a lyophilized powder. Any other form that you see advertised or run across is NOT the real deal. The only way to administer true HGH is by sub-q or intramuscular injection. You will see studies that use IV as their method of administration, but that is certainly NOT recommended (in fact it is just outright crazy), nor necessary in any way for getting all of the benefits HGH has to offer.

 

[mace123]

ahhhh no kidding?? Most pros have been doing it IM or SubQ - its uneeded and just downright stupid to try IV.

RedBaron's Guide to HGH - Bodybuilding Discussion Forum

INJECTIBLE HGH AND ITS USE
True HGH only comes in the form of a lyophilized powder. Any other form that you see advertised or run across is NOT the real deal. The only way to administer true HGH is by sub-q or intramuscular injection. You will see studies that use IV as their method of administration, but that is certainly NOT recommended (in fact it is just outright crazy), nor necessary in any way for getting all of the benefits HGH has to offer.

Why are you posting a link to ONE persons OPINION on another board?

I could sit here and post a thousand links to single individuals OPINIONS but why would I? That is his opinion and he is intitled to it but showing that one person has an opinion over an issue doesnt mean jack.

Studies is where its at.

Hitler thought we should do some pretty outlandish stuff and that was his opinion, if I post a link to that I doubt it will turn anyone into a nazi. I know that is a touchy subjct to many but I am just trying to make a point that one persons opinion is not really relevant when comparing studies.

 

[10brandonr]

ahhhh no kidding?? Most pros have been doing it IM or SubQ - its uneeded and just downright stupid to try IV.

RedBaron's Guide to HGH - Bodybuilding Discussion Forum

INJECTIBLE HGH AND ITS USE
True HGH only comes in the form of a lyophilized powder. Any other form that you see advertised or run across is NOT the real deal. The only way to administer true HGH is by sub-q or intramuscular injection. You will see studies that use IV as their method of administration, but that is certainly NOT recommended (in fact it is just outright crazy), nor necessary in any way for getting all of the benefits HGH has to offer.

without using an analogy to hitler......

Why does this mean anything?? just cuz SubQ its a more convenient and very effective form of administration doesn't make IV a bad form. IV is unnecessary for most users, yes, but its still a medically accepted and extremely bioactive form of administration. If a user is comfortable and understands the risks involved and how to administer properly there is nothing inherently wrong with IV. The idea that "The only way to administer true HGH is by sub-q or intramuscular injection" is simply bullshit, you could inject it intramuscularly, subcutaneously, intravenously, hell you could inject it intradermally if you wanted. Just about anything polar and fully soluble in water can be injected intravenously.

 

[123cctv]

True HGH only comes in the form of a lyophilized powder.

Wrong.

Any other form that you see advertised or run across is NOT the real deal.

Wrong.

The only way to administer true HGH is by sub-q or intramuscular injection.

Wrong.

You know what bothers me though? Your lack of acknowledgment regarding those studies. No admission of the peak values being FAR greater. No concession re: the short lived peaks better mimic bodily secretion patterns as noted by 3 study summations. SC/IM are incapable of a short lived peak due to slow absorption rates. That optimal growth is achieved when mimicking bodily secretion. In a fair I.V. vs. SC dosing, IGF-1 levels were 25% greater via I.V., though again, this not necessarily being the crucial element (25% greater IGF-1 levels) in optimal growth as much as are short lived high peak values.

Argue this all you want. Argue this with those who conducted the studies. Hell, why don't you truck on over to DatBtrue's board and rebut bodily responsiveness or the lack of re: higher short lived GH plasma peaks. One recommendation though, after you get a fair answer, accept it. No ones trying to shove I.V. on you. Just be aware that there are many options to chose from. Some may be right for you, some may not -- as is certainly clear in your case, I.V. is not for you!

 

[mace123]

without using an analogy to hitler......

haha ya, might not have been the BEST analogy

Again, sorry if that offends anyone, but being how controversial that one persons views were, it was the first thing that popped into my head when trying to illustrate that one persons views should not be enough to guide you into making your own decisions, unless these views are backed by proof as in a situation such as this one.

 

[mace123]

haha ya, might not have been the BEST analogy

Again, sorry if that offends anyone, but being how controversial that one persons views were, it was the first thing that popped into my head when trying to illustrate that one persons views should not be enough to guide you into making your own decisions, unless these views are backed by proof as in a situation such as this one.

Perfect example being DAT, I once joked to a friend an another board that DAT does not wipe his own ass without a study showing the best way to do it.

And because this one person backs EVERYTHING he says with a study is what makes him so credible. When deciding what routine to run my last pep cycle, his was the obvious protocal to follow, for that exact reason.

 

[HOTROCKS]

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