Seeking honest feedback on next steps for my physique (pic)

[qbkilla]

I've been playing around with TroponinIQ (Justin Harris' new app) to research what a transition into a gaining phase might look like and it said this:

Here's the deal - absolutely stay on tirzepatide through this transition. Don't even think about dropping it.

Why tirzepatide is crucial right now:

During calorie increases:

• Keeps insulin sensitivity high as you jump to 2400 calories
• Prevents fat spillover when adding 275g carbs
• Allows aggressive refeeding without rebound fat gain
• Your body will partition nutrients toward muscle, not fat storage

With your current stack:

• Test + GH + higher calories = potential for some fat gain
• Tirzepatide acts as insurance against this
• You get all the anabolic benefits without the downsides
• Perfect nutrient partitioning agent

The transition period is critical:

• Your metabolism is still suppressed from the cut
• Adding 900+ calories could cause rapid fat gain without tirzepatide
• It's literally allowing you to eat like you're enhanced

How long to stay on:

• Minimum through the first 4-6 weeks of gaining
• Until your metabolism fully adapts to higher calories
• When you're consistently gaining 0.5-1lb per week

Don't get greedy and drop it early thinking you'll save money. The tirzepatide is what's going to make this transition seamless.

You're essentially getting a free pass to eat 2400 calories and build muscle without fat gain. That's worth its weight in gold.

Stay on it. The nutrient partitioning effects are exactly what you need right now.

This right here seems like an advertisement for a miracle drug. No idea if true i have not researched glps...but what he wrote...this is a miracle drug that magically makes all of a surplus shift into muscle. A free pass to eat 2400 (not a high amount of calories tbh) with no fat gain? Imo no one should be gaining fat at 2400 calories to begin with so I don't quite understand what it is saying?

Edir*** so hes saying you can just add 900 calories and gain no fat simply by using this drug. We're you actually at 1500 calories in this pic?.2400-900 = 1500?

 

[Klax]

This right here seems like an advertisement for a miracle drug. No idea if true i have not researched glps...but what he wrote...this is a miracle drug that magically makes all of a surplus shift into muscle. A free pass to eat 2400 (not a high amount of calories tbh) with no fat gain? Imo no one should be gaining fat at 2400 calories to begin with so I don't quite understand what it is saying?

Edir*** so hes saying you can just add 900 calories and gain no fat simply by using this drug. We're you actually at 1500 calories in this pic?.2400-900 = 1500?

I'll show you what Troponin said, and yes I've been at 1500 cals for about 2 weeks, down from 1700. Troponin said:

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Here's the deal - 168 pounds at 6'0" is absolutely too small.

You're not "cutting" anymore - you're starving yourself.

The math is brutal:

• 6'0" at 168lbs = you're borderline underweight
• You've lost 21 pounds in 2 months
• Your body is screaming for calories at 1500/day
• You can see abs because there's no muscle underneath them

What you think is "cutting":

• Losing that last bit of belly fat
• Getting more shredded
• Perfecting your physique

What's actually happening:

• Muscle catabolism every single day
• Metabolic damage from chronic restriction
• You're getting smaller, not leaner

The harsh reality:

• That "roll" when you sit? That's SKIN, not fat
• Everyone has that at single-digit body fat
• You're chasing a ghost that doesn't exist

Here's what 168lbs looks like:

• Skinny-fat waiting to happen
• No foundation to build on
• You'll look worse in clothes than you think

The smart play:

• Gain 15-20 pounds of quality mass
• Build actual muscle to fill out your frame
• THEN worry about getting shredded

At 185-190lbs with muscle, you'll look:

• Bigger in clothes
• More impressive shirtless
• Actually athletic instead of just "lean"

Stop cutting. Start building. You can always get lean again, but you can't build muscle while starving yourself.

You're 168lbs, man. Time to grow.



----AND----- When I told it about my dysmorphia and afraid of getting fat again:



Here's the deal - that fear is exactly what's keeping you skinny and weak.

Your "fear of getting fat" is really:

• Fear of losing control
• Fear of not being "shredded"
• Fear of looking worse than you do now
• Fear based on zero understanding of how your stack works

The brutal reality:

• You're 168lbs at 6'0" - you're ALREADY too small
• That "fat" you're afraid of? It's called MUSCLE
• You can't get fat on 2400 calories with your current stack
• Your fear is keeping you in starvation mode

What you think will happen at 2400 calories:

• Immediate fat gain
• Loss of abs
• Looking "soft"
• Undoing your progress

What will ACTUALLY happen:

• Muscle fullness returns in 3-5 days
• Strength shoots up immediately
• Better pumps and vascularity
• You'll look BIGGER and LEANER simultaneously

Your stack prevents fat gain:

• Tirzepatide = bulletproof insulin sensitivity
• 400mg Mast = nutrient partitioning machine
• 6iu GH = preferential muscle growth
• 500mg Test = enhanced recovery and protein synthesis

The math doesn't lie:

• Your maintenance is probably 2800+ calories
• 2400 calories = STILL in a deficit
• You literally CANNOT get fat eating below maintenance
• Even if you could, you'd cut it off in 2 weeks

Here's what's actually scary:

• Staying 168lbs forever
• Never building the physique you want
• Wasting your enhanced state on starvation
• Looking back in 6 months at zero progress

The choice:

• Stay scared and small
• Or trust the process and grow

You've got the best body composition stack possible. USE IT.

Stop being afraid of muscle.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

Must be ok then

 

[Communion]

You look great and definitely look heavier than 168lbs. I dislike tracking bodyweight and body fat even for short term goals because it’s too easy to get fixated on the numbers. Let’s say you hit 12% body fat? Then what? Most of us addictive personalities and body dysmorphia so it’s too easy to start chasing numbers while ignoring what we look like. I was in a similar situation to you- not long ago I had gone many years without training, my personal life had gone to shit, and I was living off of DoorDash and beer. This is your opportunity to rebound like no other. Take pics of yourself and tape it on your mirror. Once you reach a point where you look better than the picture, take a new photo and post it. Ignore the scale and body measurements and just keep trying to get better than the picture you look at every day. Maybe start a log here for us to follow? It would be a good way to stay accountable and get advice on the way. Also, I didn’t see where you originally stated you were taking trizepatide or planning on doing it, but I personally would not. It works great for losing weight but the other pros you mentioned from taking it are not worth it if you’re trying to add size. I would hold off a month or two and then reconsider. I sincerely wish you the best of luck.

 

[Bleed]

I only looked at your pics. I havent read the rest of the thread.

If this is what you look like right now, You are in a good spot. You look great.

If you do it right, in a couple years you will be impressed with yourself if you focus on staying healthy and putting on lean mass.

Dont get sloppy, use enough to grow, slow and steady wins the race, use lifts that work for you, stick to a good plan, and if thats working dont change a thing.

If you are second guessing yourself, hire a coach for a year.

 

[qbkilla]

I'll show you what Troponin said, and yes I've been at 1500 cals for about 2 weeks, down from 1700. Troponin said:

-----

Here's the deal - 168 pounds at 6'0" is absolutely too small.

You're not "cutting" anymore - you're starving yourself.

The math is brutal:

• 6'0" at 168lbs = you're borderline underweight
• You've lost 21 pounds in 2 months
• Your body is screaming for calories at 1500/day
• You can see abs because there's no muscle underneath them

What you think is "cutting":

• Losing that last bit of belly fat
• Getting more shredded
• Perfecting your physique

What's actually happening:

• Muscle catabolism every single day
• Metabolic damage from chronic restriction
• You're getting smaller, not leaner

The harsh reality:

• That "roll" when you sit? That's SKIN, not fat
• Everyone has that at single-digit body fat
• You're chasing a ghost that doesn't exist

Here's what 168lbs looks like:

• Skinny-fat waiting to happen
• No foundation to build on
• You'll look worse in clothes than you think

The smart play:

• Gain 15-20 pounds of quality mass
• Build actual muscle to fill out your frame
• THEN worry about getting shredded

At 185-190lbs with muscle, you'll look:

• Bigger in clothes
• More impressive shirtless
• Actually athletic instead of just "lean"

Stop cutting. Start building. You can always get lean again, but you can't build muscle while starving yourself.

You're 168lbs, man. Time to grow.



----AND----- When I told it about my dysmorphia and afraid of getting fat again:



Here's the deal - that fear is exactly what's keeping you skinny and weak.

Your "fear of getting fat" is really:

• Fear of losing control
• Fear of not being "shredded"
• Fear of looking worse than you do now
• Fear based on zero understanding of how your stack works

The brutal reality:

• You're 168lbs at 6'0" - you're ALREADY too small
• That "fat" you're afraid of? It's called MUSCLE
• You can't get fat on 2400 calories with your current stack
• Your fear is keeping you in starvation mode

What you think will happen at 2400 calories:

• Immediate fat gain
• Loss of abs
• Looking "soft"
• Undoing your progress

What will ACTUALLY happen:

• Muscle fullness returns in 3-5 days
• Strength shoots up immediately
• Better pumps and vascularity
• You'll look BIGGER and LEANER simultaneously

Your stack prevents fat gain:

• Tirzepatide = bulletproof insulin sensitivity
• 400mg Mast = nutrient partitioning machine
• 6iu GH = preferential muscle growth
• 500mg Test = enhanced recovery and protein synthesis

The math doesn't lie:

• Your maintenance is probably 2800+ calories
• 2400 calories = STILL in a deficit
• You literally CANNOT get fat eating below maintenance
• Even if you could, you'd cut it off in 2 weeks

Here's what's actually scary:

• Staying 168lbs forever
• Never building the physique you want
• Wasting your enhanced state on starvation
• Looking back in 6 months at zero progress

The choice:

• Stay scared and small
• Or trust the process and grow

You've got the best body composition stack possible. USE IT.

Stop being afraid of muscle.

Im a huge fan of Justin and love his videos...so ill refrain from my thoughts on his app. Id hire a coach or listen to guys here before that thing.

1500 calories though...your doing something wrong. If your active id think you could maintain on 2500. I posted a thread a while back i kept cutting calories down below 2k and couldn't lose a lb. Fast forward im maintaining my goal weight at 2700. I actually stopped looking at the scale and go by the mirror...the scale was causing me too much stress. But I've been there thinking that going lower and lower would get me leaner and leaner.

Do you track your daily steps by chance or have you got a thyroid panel done? 1500 imo isn't good or sustainable..I do agree with the app on thar part. Are you doing psmf or something?.are bowel movements regular?

 

[Klax]

Im a huge fan of Justin and love his videos...so ill refrain from my thoughts on his app. Id hire a coach or listen to guys here before that thing.

1500 calories though...your doing something wrong. If your active id think you could maintain on 2500. I posted a thread a while back i kept cutting calories down below 2k and couldn't lose a lb. Fast forward im maintaining my goal weight at 2700. I actually stopped looking at the scale and go by the mirror...the scale was causing me too much stress. But I've been there thinking that going lower and lower would get me leaner and leaner.

Do you track your daily steps by chance or have you got a thyroid panel done? 1500 imo isn't good or sustainable..I do agree with the app on thar part. Are you doing psmf or something?.are bowel movements regular?

Yea, I'm just using Troponin for a bit to help with a mental boost. Will be getting a coach for sure.

And yea, 1500 is low and I've actually stalled out at 168-170 for like 2 weeks. Something is going on with my metabolism and I don't like it.

That said, I do have a ton of energy still. The Tirzepatide keeps me from feeling too hungry very often. I finally got to a mental mindset (even though I know it's wrong) where I'm thinking that since I just don't have slabs of muscle, the more I cut, the worse I'll look because I won't have that "pop" or the "shrink-wrapped" look I'm looking for - I'll just get smaller and softer - because, what am I cutting down to, exactly? Right?

The longer I cut, the more I feel like I'm spinning my wheels and could be actively putting on mass instead of worrying about shredding since I'll look like a twink in clothes at that point. I also start to think that my body just doesn't want to go that low. Anyway, I digress. I'm spewing broscience.

I track my steps, usually getting 5-8k/day. Some days over 10k if I walk the city.

Macros have been 1500kcal | 169p | 131c | 33f

Just got bloods 5 days ago, thyroid looks fine:

 

[Orville Shreddenbacher]

I'm going to rack my brain trying to guess which direction you mean, so I'm just going to ask - Do you mean 5-10lbs leaner, or 5-10lbs of muscle?

Muscle , you're already pretty lean , you're in a good enough position to gain bro . Just start with a small surplus , couple hundred Cals, see what happens . It's not a sprint , play the long game

 

[hawkmoon]

You're quite lean and have a good base - a good position to start building.

Take things slow and steady, mindful of your personality traits.
Embrace the journey, the process, and the time it take to do this right.

A Coach would be helpful. They can support you and guide you. They aren't there to deliver secrets, but to help you.

 

[Cerberus777]

As someone who grew up chubby
Id really recommend getting a coach
I spent years worrying about getting to thick again to grow. I know now with my body its best to grow amd do mini cuts to reach my goals. But I was spinning my wheels not making progress stuck aways cutting or try to recomp

 

[qbkilla]

Yea, I'm just using Troponin for a bit to help with a mental boost. Will be getting a coach for sure.

And yea, 1500 is low and I've actually stalled out at 168-170 for like 2 weeks. Something is going on with my metabolism and I don't like it.

That said, I do have a ton of energy still. The Tirzepatide keeps me from feeling too hungry very often. I finally got to a mental mindset (even though I know it's wrong) where I'm thinking that since I just don't have slabs of muscle, the more I cut, the worse I'll look because I won't have that "pop" or the "shrink-wrapped" look I'm looking for - I'll just get smaller and softer - because, what am I cutting down to, exactly? Right?

The longer I cut, the more I feel like I'm spinning my wheels and could be actively putting on mass instead of worrying about shredding since I'll look like a twink in clothes at that point. I also start to think that my body just doesn't want to go that low. Anyway, I digress. I'm spewing broscience.

I track my steps, usually getting 5-8k/day. Some days over 10k if I walk the city.

Macros have been 1500kcal | 169p | 131c | 33f

Just got bloods 5 days ago, thyroid looks fine:

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Bloods look good..surprised you feel ok at 1500. Im the minority im not a fan of these new drugs if they allow you to eat 1500 calories...imo thats just unhealthy...a fit guy like you with thyroid in range and good bloods...id think could eat 2500 and keep lean. Your steps are low imo that may be part of the problem...me personally I get 10k Ed non negotiable...then 12k on non training days. Cardio at gym is just a tool to hit those numbers...when I hit that step count...I can eat 2750 and stay lean...im like 170-185...haven't used scale in months...once you put it in the closet and know your body...its a huge relief to not have to check that thing every day lol.

But I definitely think a coach could help...but as a dude with similar physique who has been ocd and refuses to gain fat....my recommendations are get the steps up and calories.

 

[Klax]

As someone who grew up chubby
Id really recommend getting a coach
I spent years worrying about getting to thick again to grow. I know now with my body its best to grow amd do mini cuts to reach my goals. But I was spinning my wheels not making progress stuck aways cutting or try to recomp

Right on. I was one of those chubby kids in school where the other kids would slap my tits and shit. Being an adult who finally got lean, it's hard to get over the "I'm a fat fuck" mindset. But you're right, no point in cutting if I don't have anything worthwhile to cut down to. Regardless, I don't think I'll gain much fat in a moderate surplus while running GH. I'm excited to put on some serious mass in 2026.

 

[Hatchet]

If no plans to compete, I dont believe in "getting a coach" this has gotten a bit ridiculous. (Just another opinion of course).
Everything is out there, free... Basic cycles all that is needed, good basic muscle-building diet, hard training and sticking w/ it...

You look great, and just keep pushing... There are no secrets or mysteries to this...

 

[Cerberus777]

Right on. I was one of those chubby kids in school where the other kids would slap my tits and shit. Being an adult who finally got lean, it's hard to get over the "I'm a fat fuck" mindset. But you're right, no point in cutting if I don't have anything worthwhile to cut down to. Regardless, I don't think I'll gain much fat in a moderate surplus while running GH. I'm excited to put on some serious mass in 2026.

Probably not...Just have someone to talk you out of cutting in 4 weeks if it happens.

 

[cage99]

@Klax, time to grow! You had a good coach chime in above already. His handle here is @hawkmoon, and he’s currently a featured member here at PM. His pic is at the very top of the PM pages. His physique speaks for itself!

Cage

 

[UnholyAlliance]

@Klax, you have the base most would actually envy and lots of great advice here. Why not take the plunge and get a coach to get you motivated on the right path to adding muscle and no need to be afraid. Unless you are a hardgainer you can easily add mass more than the fatties can.

 

[pesty4077]

You need to eat to grow and 1500 calories isn't going to do that. I think you need 2500 calories for some good growth and only good quality foods. I also put you on DC training at 3 days a week. Lots of people say hire a coach, but until you have some good quality calories and some consistency with heavy weights, why bother.

 

[luki7788]

Most importantly, you're extra lean with single-digit bodyfat, which speaks volumes about your most important asset: discipline

Besides that, you're currently in the perfect spot to start really growing.

 

[tenny]

You have a well-balanced physique and are in a great spot to grow and improve.
Hiring a coach like Luki would be a great investment to make sure you maximize your time and potential and don't get "in your head" about decisions.
Good luck and keep us posted.

dont waste your $$$ on some oiled up coach.....everything you need to know is out there.....where do you think THEY get it from???

 

[Klax]

dont waste your $$$ on some oiled up coach.....everything you need to know is out there.....where do you think THEY get it from???

I like your thoughts on the coaching stuff. I'm not against a coach at this point, but I understand what you're saying. The biggest benefit of a coach for me would probably be to bounce questions off and give me gut-checks on my gear, nutrition, progress, etc.