SEO/HLA

[traininsane11]

Debating whether to post this as I know this board has links to Synthol type products which is absolutely fine I’m just hoping for some input from guys who’ve used either or both

**EDIT**: Have you used it? What did you notice from it? Long term use resulting in actual increase in size or just a fullness product?

Pros and cons of it VS traditional Synthol type products

Synthol: same kinda questions

Are either of them worth the cost of all the injections and money or unless you inject enough to end up with a load of scar tissue attributing to noticeable size or go full Brazil mode with the 50ml syringes are they very much the last 1% of the puzzle

Here in the UK mediphorm is much more preferred whereas Synthol still is frowned upon for the most part

Just looking for some recent honest none biased feedback

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[luki7788]

Man, don’t take this as hate in any way, but… you worked with Justin Harris. Now you’re working with another great coach from the UK who also has top-level athletes, just like Justin. Why don’t you ask them for their opinion?

 

[traininsane11]

Man, don’t take this as hate in any way, but… you worked with Justin Harris. Now you’re working with another great coach from the UK who also has top-level athletes, just like Justin. Why don’t you ask them for their opinion?

We’ve spoken about **EDIT** and he rates it but it’s still a relatively niche thing within a niche thing and not a lot of people have used it extensively or won’t admit to it so the info is quite limited other than people saying they like it

 

[luki7788]

few people go to use it? finding who doesn't use it...lol and especially from the UK where I have good contact with many high level amateurs in really many used it

 

[traininsane11]

few people go to use it? finding who doesn't use it...lol and especially from the UK where I have good contact with many high level amateurs in really many used it

I get the feeling it’s well used as well lol some people seem to hate to admit it though even privately for some reason. I asked someone I know personally how they found it (I know they’ve used it as they mentioned it ages back) and they denied ever using it

 

[luki7788]

I get the feeling it’s well used as well lol some people seem to hate to admit it though even privately for some reason. I asked someone I know personally how they found it (I know they’ve used it as they mentioned it ages back) and they denied ever using it

maybe people just don't trust you

if you ask about something controversial they won't admit it and if they trust you you don't even have to ask questions because they will tell you everything themselves

 

[traininsane11]

maybe people just don't trust you

if you ask about something controversial they won't admit it and if they trust you you don't even have to ask questions because they will tell you everything themselves

Lol okay well anyway let’s not derail this thread please just looking for input from people who are willing to share their experiences on having used any of the above

 

[pup93]

interested to learn more about the differences between both approaches to site enhancement tbh. personally I went ahead and got my hands on some **EDIT** and am moving in that direction for now. one guy on here named Pinkerton or something made impressive improvements to his arms with Syntherol, maybe you can find the thread. wish this type of thing was talked about more..

 

[mexbeast]

Has anyone else noticed how most of the synthol users got kidney disease?

 

[traininsane11]

Has anyone else noticed how most of the synthol users got kidney disease?

I have seen mention of this more and more recently which is even more off putting

 

[rAJJIN]

Seems like
The few guys I have known or met that have the 21-23” arms have all done site injections
Of some type. And I agree it probably “should take some time. Not hopes of inches in days.

I’m reading w interest. To be honest I am not familiar with HLA.

 

[Sectør]

I wouldn’t mind bringing up the long heads of my triceps a bit more. Following as well

 

[traininsane11]

Seems like
The few guys I have known or met that have the 21-23” arms have all done site injections
Of some type. And I agree it probably “should take some time. Not hopes of inches in days.

I’m reading w interest. To be honest I am not familiar with HLA.

I’ve noticed the same could well just be coincidence but minus freaks of nature guys I’ve come across who’ve got standout arms either site inject their gear in there and or Synthol which essentially is the same thing or HLA which seems to be the go to here in the UK over synthol at least

I remember speaking to Justin Harris and he preferred the idea of just injecting gear and if wanting more volume diluting with sterile oil which is pretty much Synthol

But HLA seems to of only gained traction the last few years so probably not the same amount of feedback as opposed to oil

 

[traininsane11]

I wouldn’t mind bringing up the long heads of my triceps a bit more. Following as well

Speaking with my coach he says I probably don’t really need it at all but if I did want to use it arms would be the one

Never done my arms kinda freaks me out

 

[kadafi2]

I’ve noticed the same could well just be coincidence but minus freaks of nature guys I’ve come across who’ve got standout arms either site inject their gear in there and or Synthol which essentially is the same thing or HLA which seems to be the go to here in the UK over synthol at least

I remember speaking to Justin Harris and he preferred the idea of just injecting gear and if wanting more volume diluting with sterile oil which is pretty much Synthol

But HLA seems to of only gained traction the last few years so probably not the same amount of feedback as opposed to oil

Well, synthol is not the same as local steroid injections. I also wondered once what the difference was, and only Big A's article and the information found here clarified it for me. According to what Big A writes, Synthol takes much longer to absorb than classic steroids, because it consists of a very long chain of fatty acids. And thanks to this, it stretches the fascia.

I have never used such things because I am too small for them, but I have always been curious about it. Maybe someone has not read this article, so I will post the link:

Site Enhancing Oils (Synthol) – A How To Guide • Professional Muscle

www.professionalmuscle.com

 

[Sectør]

Speaking with my coach he says I probably don’t really need it at all but if I did want to use it arms would be the one

Never done my arms kinda freaks me out

I’ve put gear in my biceps before and remember the pip was agonizing. Im sure it would be less intense with sterile oil or HLA. I’d be a little more worried about doing triceps, but I’d obviously do a lot of reading and studying on the area and where to avoid before doing it.

Just based off some brief reading the HLA based product seems promising. Didn’t realize that most of the dermal fillers chicks use for their face was made of HLA, as well as there being FDA approved products specifically for that use in filling out areas on the face, so it would make sense that this could be used with a similar purpose for expanding/stretching muscle fascia as well if injected deeper into a muscle. That would probably be the route I’d go if I did try it.

 

[td]

With all due respect, @traininsane11, you don't need it.

Don't get lost in the weeds. You have all the tools you need to be extremely successful already. You simply have to execute over a long enough duration.

 

[luki7788]

The decision about SEO was one of the worst in my life - if I had to do it now I would only use something based on HA because it will always be quickly degraded from your body and there is no way to ruin something permanent like I did

 

[traininsane11]

With all due respect, @traininsane11, you don't need it.

Don't get lost in the weeds. You have all the tools you need to be extremely successful already. You simply have to execute over a long enough duration.

Thank you appreciate it and yeah I agree think it’s probably unnecessary may make some form of difference but I hiiiiighly doubt I’m gonna lose a placing due to not having used some mediphorm or certainly hope not

I often talk to other competitors at a similar level to me and they’re often throwing the kitchen sink at it but difference being they might have been doing pro qualifiers for 5/10+ years and this is my first year so I perhaps I’m able to push back needing to do all these extra things until I’ve been competing longer

 

[Elvia1023]

I had loads of pics on here and done an arm and calf log with syntherol. I used an image uploading website for all my pics on here and a few years ago they randomly closed down their website and it stated all pics will be lost. So pretty much every pic I posted on here for about 10 years were lost. My old phone also broke many years ago so I have no access to them anymore. I had some old pics saved on social media but my before and after syntherol pics weren't something I was going to post on my facebook at the time I made big changes using syntherol in my arms and calves. It is an amazing tool but like anything in bodybuilding it's not permanent.

The guys who are ruining body parts are putting other things in there. There is a misconception regarding SEO such as syntherol. You don't inject it and it just stays there forever. It doesn't help that all the old pro's lie about everything. Even when the likes of Flex Wheeler come out recently and it was worded like a tell all about his seo abuse etc it was complete nonsense.

Nearly every high level UK bodybuilder is using HA before shows. I am surprised you didn't know this. I literally chat with none of them nor have I any interest in UK bodybuilding and I was told this years ago. Even the bikini girls are using it before shows in the UK. As you stated it's very popular here but so is SEO as well. Maybe they lie to you because they know you are a genuine threat to them winning if they ever compete against you. Obviously there will be many who don't use it but I have been told by people that nearly every athlete they coach is using it before shows.

Even the HA is not permanent either and it dissipates over time. The girl I am seeing has just had 80ml of it injected into her arse from a salon owner. It's not just popular in bodybuilding circles.

It's up to you and if you think you need it go for it. I would need to see pics to best advise you. From memory you are well balanced. Do your arms hold up well during a contest prep? Has a judge ever said you need more size? Maybe you just need more time because you have made amazing progress in a relatively short time so the genetics are there so see where you stand before adding in such measures. Although if something works and you are stood next to guys on stage all using it why not use it yourself.

In regards to health issues and certain well know "SEO users" they are often putting alsorts of different things in their bodies. Take Rich Piana for instance he was full of silicone. He also went to Mexico for PMMA injections as well which was well known but he lied and said it was just to fix a small issue. His ex also stated he had someone who would inject him with silicone and he also made her get it done as well. The likes of this is what is causing health issues because it's just sitting inside permanently. This is what all the girls are getting down in South America (everywhere now).