SEO/HLA

[KingOfSushi]

I’ve put gear in my biceps before and remember the pip was agonizing. Im sure it would be less intense with sterile oil or HLA. I’d be a little more worried about doing triceps, but I’d obviously do a lot of reading and studying on the area and where to avoid before doing it.

Just based off some brief reading the HLA based product seems promising. Didn’t realize that most of the dermal fillers chicks use for their face was made of HLA, as well as there being FDA approved products specifically for that use in filling out areas on the face, so it would make sense that this could be used with a similar purpose for expanding/stretching muscle fascia as well if injected deeper into a muscle. That would probably be the route I’d go if I did try it.

Tris are way easier than bis imo

 

[Simon90]

Tris are way easier than bis imo

I agree. Lateral head of tri is a nice site. Much better than bi's. I had a sub q leak in my bicep it was not a great experience lol. Never tried the long head, feel like it'd be a really nervey place to pin

 

[pesty4077]

I use to have flat triceps. I did the SYNTHEROL protocol here listed. I shot the triceps during this time only. Never shot biceps. I say overall, not only gave me some size, but a nice roundness to my triceps now.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

Not saying I have great arms at all, but this past year my primary injection sites have been bis, side delts as well as the wayyy upper quad (close to hip flexor). And my arms made a jump this year for sure. I just think constant inflammation during a growth period will illicit at least sooome growth if you are pushing that muscle hard.

This year I’m attempting to go more rear delt …although my god, the bigger you get the harder it is to reach…and horseshoe head of tricep.

 

[pesty4077]

I just want to add, that protocol I did was about 12 years ago. The nice shape stayed.

 

[Simon90]

Not saying I have great arms at all, but this past year my primary injection sites have been bis, side delts as well as the wayyy upper quad (close to hip flexor). And my arms made a jump this year for sure. I just think constant inflammation during a growth period will illicit at least sooome growth if you are pushing that muscle hard.

This year I’m attempting to go more rear delt …although my god, the bigger you get the harder it is to reach…and horseshoe head of tricep.

I will also start adding them into my weekly rotations again... Where abouts in the bicep would you pin?

I like rear delt jabs. But Mrs needs to do them. It helped with getting me a much better mind muscle connection and coincidence I don't know, but rear delts are actually now one of my better muscles

 

[TheOtherOne55]

I will also start adding them into my weekly rotations again... Where abouts in the bicep would you pin?

I like rear delt jabs. But Mrs needs to do them. It helped with getting me a much better mind muscle connection and coincidence I don't know, but rear delts are actually now one of my better muscles

Just FYI, im talking gear injections sites here not SEO in case there was confusion. But you can basically pin anywhere dude. There is no "where exactly to pin gear" guide. Your bicep has two heads, choose one. I just made sure i wasn't pinning a head more frequently, but you also kinda FEEL THAT with the soreness and inflammation. Everyone has pinned a bp before that was just a bit tooo sore from previous injections and blood shot out like a geyser lol i've had blood shoot up a wall before OR tried to pin and i couldnt push the plunger down whatsoever haha

 

[traininsane11]

May one day build up to arm injection
Glutes are off limits cause apparently blurs lines potentially so rotating between rear & side delts (although left rear always hurts worse than any other pip wise), lats and quads

 

[TheOtherOne55]

May one day build up to arm injection
Glutes are off limits cause apparently blurs lines potentially so rotating between rear & side delts (although left rear always hurts worse than any other pip wise), lats and quads

Quads have been risky to me. I do waaay up high at the hip, close to the hip flexor. 0 soreness or anything. Too many times ive done regular quads and hit something that blew up and affected my training. Wasnt worth NOT having a good leg workout for it. And honestly Lats are hit or miss with me. 2 or 3 times ive injected and obviously injected into a vein or something where i got a hot burning sensation down my back and leg. Like fiiire. Basically held myself up against a table for 3 mins until it subsided. Happened 2 or 3 times to me and then decided lats aintttt it for me. Juuust starting to get a hang for where and how to hit my tris which i dont mind.

 

[Sectør]

Quads have been risky to me. I do waaay up high at the hip, close to the hip flexor. 0 soreness or anything. Too many times ive done regular quads and hit something that blew up and affected my training. Wasnt worth NOT having a good leg workout for it. And honestly Lats are hit or miss with me. 2 or 3 times ive injected and obviously injected into a vein or something where i got a hot burning sensation down my back and leg. Like fiiire. Basically held myself up against a table for 3 mins until it subsided. Happened 2 or 3 times to me and then decided lats aintttt it for me. Juuust starting to get a hang for where and how to hit my tris which i dont mind.

Haha Lats are actually one of my favorite spots, never had any issues and it always goes smooth. Usually if you’re going into a vein you can feel a sharp pin and adjust the pin a bit to avoid it. Quads can be pretty hit or miss if pinned in the lower or middle portion, but like you I pin upper quads (about 3/4ths of the way up towards the hip). My glutes are heavy with scar tissue so can’t really hit them unfortunately. Upper chest is a great spot too, but is a little more pip prone.

Probably will start pinning rear delts more as it’s an area I need to bring up, and it’s an easy enough spot. Your post makes me want to try triceps though

 

[traininsane11]

Quads have been risky to me. I do waaay up high at the hip, close to the hip flexor. 0 soreness or anything. Too many times ive done regular quads and hit something that blew up and affected my training. Wasnt worth NOT having a good leg workout for it. And honestly Lats are hit or miss with me. 2 or 3 times ive injected and obviously injected into a vein or something where i got a hot burning sensation down my back and leg. Like fiiire. Basically held myself up against a table for 3 mins until it subsided. Happened 2 or 3 times to me and then decided lats aintttt it for me. Juuust starting to get a hang for where and how to hit my tris which i dont mind.

That’s a good spot on quads even if some pip doesn’t seem to effect training at all there. I’ve heard guys doing it into the teardrop which sounds horrific.

It’s interesting cause I’ve read that exact same reaction you had in lats people having with tricep shots on this forum

I’m starting to think it’s all very individual for everyone who says they find X spot absolutely fine another will have a horror story

Where about are you shooting tri’s? I’ve heard lateral (outer head) can be problematic BUT I also know guys personally who say it’s fine

 

[TheOtherOne55]

That’s a good spot on quads even if some pip doesn’t seem to effect training at all there. I’ve heard guys doing it into the teardrop which sounds horrific.

It’s interesting cause I’ve read that exact same reaction you had in lats people having with tricep shots on this forum

I’m starting to think it’s all very individual for everyone who says they find X spot absolutely fine another will have a horror story

Where about are you shooting tri’s? I’ve heard lateral (outer head) can be problematic BUT I also know guys personally who say it’s fine

I'm shooting right at the horse shoe as well as really back of the arm, like almost armpit tie in.
Not trouble so far and honestly not a lot of bleeding either. Just some inflammation which i like as it dials uppp my mind muscle connection.

Man, like 2 weeks out of my show i hit my L upper quad in that hip flexor spot. Ive hit it 100s of times with nothing and for whatever reason it was not a good one. Swelling down the leg. Like tying the whole quad together and made it hard to bend the knee. I was tripping out lol of coursse it went away but at like 14 days out i was punching myself. It was one of my last shots in general haha

That’s a good spot on quads even if some pip doesn’t seem to effect training at all there. I’ve heard guys doing it into the teardrop which sounds horrific.

It’s interesting cause I’ve read that exact same reaction you had in lats people having with tricep shots on this forum

I’m starting to think it’s all very individual for everyone who says they find X spot absolutely fine another will have a horror story

Where about are you shooting tri’s? I’ve heard lateral (outer head) can be problematic BUT I also know guys personally who say it’s fine

My glutes are fucked lol especially the R one. I swear its a diff shape than my left just cause turning right felt easier. I basically ONLY shot there in my early 20s. Mistaaaakes i wish i could take back haha.

 

[Sectør]

Kind of built this with ChatGPT. The long head of the tricep seems a bit complicated. Lot of veins, nearby nerves and arteries.

Not sure if I’d want to mess with that. Has anyone done the long head successfully?

 

[traininsane11]

Kind of built this with ChatGPT. The long head of the tricep seems a bit complicated. Lot of veins, nearby nerves and arteries.

Not sure if I’d want to mess with that. Has anyone done the long head successfully?View attachment 232132

I think and have outlined below (amazingly professionally) roughly from what I can gather where you’d wanna be shooting it. Basically into the thickest part of the muscle and far far away from the elbow

 

[Sectør]

I think and have outlined below (amazingly professionally) roughly from what I can gather where you’d wanna be shooting it. Basically into the thickest part of the muscle and far far away from the elbow


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Appreciate it man

 

[derzwerg]

How are you guys reaching the long head? I've never tried but was thinking of reaching around as if I was doing rear delt. Or arm overhead like an ab and thigh?
Also sketches me out not to aspirate which I don't think I could do one handed

 

[specter]

one day ill have to make a video of shooting in different places, people make it sound over complicated.

 

[traininsane11]

Same way you inject your lats- just reach around as if you’re giving yourself a hug and pin it in.

For record I never and never will touch synthol. The only thing I have and will use is Mediphorm 6-8 weeks out from a show to balance areas out.

Out of curiosity why would you never use Synthol?

From what I can gather the risk does seem a lot higher than **EDIT** both with wrecking your physique and potential kidney issues assuming that this info is correct but on the other side I think for actual size long term it seems to be the dominant product

 

[traininsane11]

I had loads of pics on here and done an arm and calf log with syntherol. I used an image uploading website for all my pics on here and a few years ago they randomly closed down their website and it stated all pics will be lost. So pretty much every pic I posted on here for about 10 years were lost. My old phone also broke many years ago so I have no access to them anymore. I had some old pics saved on social media but my before and after syntherol pics weren't something I was going to post on my facebook at the time I made big changes using syntherol in my arms and calves. It is an amazing tool but like anything in bodybuilding it's not permanent.

The guys who are ruining body parts are putting other things in there. There is a misconception regarding SEO such as syntherol. You don't inject it and it just stays there forever. It doesn't help that all the old pro's lie about everything. Even when the likes of Flex Wheeler come out recently and it was worded like a tell all about his seo abuse etc it was complete nonsense.

Nearly every high level UK bodybuilder is using HA before shows. I am surprised you didn't know this. I literally chat with none of them nor have I any interest in UK bodybuilding and I was told this years ago. Even the bikini girls are using it before shows in the UK. As you stated it's very popular here but so is SEO as well. Maybe they lie to you because they know you are a genuine threat to them winning if they ever compete against you. Obviously there will be many who don't use it but I have been told by people that nearly every athlete they coach is using it before shows.

Even the HA is not permanent either and it dissipates over time. The girl I am seeing has just had 80ml of it injected into her arse from a salon owner. It's not just popular in bodybuilding circles.

It's up to you and if you think you need it go for it. I would need to see pics to best advise you. From memory you are well balanced. Do your arms hold up well during a contest prep? Has a judge ever said you need more size? Maybe you just need more time because you have made amazing progress in a relatively short time so the genetics are there so see where you stand before adding in such measures. Although if something works and you are stood next to guys on stage all using it why not use it yourself.

In regards to health issues and certain well know "SEO users" they are often putting alsorts of different things in their bodies. Take Rich Piana for instance he was full of silicone. He also went to Mexico for PMMA injections as well which was well known but he lied and said it was just to fix a small issue. His ex also stated he had someone who would inject him with silicone and he also made her get it done as well. The likes of this is what is causing health issues because it's just sitting inside permanently. This is what all the girls are getting down in South America (everywhere now).

I have heard a lot of second hand stories about the bikini girls blasting very large amounts into the glutes. There’s a popular coach over here and on one of his stories he was saying how he’s seen them loading a full bottle into the glutes back stage…. I thought us guys were hardcore

I agree from what I’ve seen the stereotypical “synthol guy” is probably just loading mass amounts of all kinds of oil and crap in there

Esiclean apparently was what a lot of the 90’s guys were doing or will admit to at least but like you say truth isn’t something they put a lot of value in for the most part certainly not publicly anyway which is understandable

I probably don’t really need it as size or fullness hasn’t been an issue so far but only done 2 shows I think it very much was like you said “well if the guys next to me are using it shouldn’t I be doing the same” type of thing

 

[luki7788]

Out of curiosity why would you never use Synthol?

From what I can gather the risk does seem a lot higher than **EDIT** both with wrecking your physique and potential kidney issues assuming that this info is correct but on the other side I think for actual size long term it seems to be the dominant product

for the reason you wrote above but you probably didn't want to acknowledge it - synthol leads to permanent changes (calcifications/adhesions) and it is not reversible, so if you overdo it, you will end up with arms like mine and there is nothing you can do about it - HA-based products don't do that even if you overuse them significantly - that's all