SEO/HLA

[traininsane11]

for the reason you wrote above but you probably didn't want to acknowledge it - synthol leads to permanent changes (calcifications/adhesions) and it is not reversible, so if you overdo it, you will end up with arms like mine and there is nothing you can do about it - HA-based products don't do that even if you overuse them significantly - that's all

That is a worry especially with how “more is better” a lot of our mindsets are in this game and often can’t see the mistakes until we’ve already made them

HA does seem to have the potential to be the better product overall and certainly a lot more forgiving

 

[bbxtreme]

Out of curiosity why would you never use Synthol?

From what I can gather the risk does seem a lot higher than **EDIT** both with wrecking your physique and potential kidney issues assuming that this info is correct but on the other side I think for actual size long term it seems to be the dominant product

You answered it right there. Lol I wouldn’t even take that risk.

Add to that look at guys like Milos and Flex now who you can still see the oil in their arms as they’ve lost size and gotten older. But that aside I am not risking my health with it.

HA is also anti-inflammatory, I’d rather put that in my muscle to expand it that an inflammatory oil.

Again, no judgment to those who have or do use synthol. It’s just not for me and a risk I won’t take.

 

[traininsane11]

You answered it right there. Lol I wouldn’t even take that risk.

Add to that look at guys like Milos and Flex now who you can still see the oil in their arms as they’ve lost size and gotten older. But that aside I am not risking my health with it.

HA is also anti-inflammatory, I’d rather put that in my muscle to expand it that an inflammatory oil.

Again, no judgment to those who have or do use synthol. It’s just not for me and a risk I won’t take.

I think in the long run that’s the smartest
Move especially when like you say HA does a somewhat similar kind of thing and none of the associated side effects, potential to screw up or weird post bodybuilding arm look.

I expect there’s lots of guys that made it work very well like Markus Ruhl for a prime example but I’m sure there’s just as many who it backfired for

I would be interested now at the top levels how many are switching over to HA products. I can only imagine Samson gets offered enough free mediphorm to
Fill a swimming pool

 

[Elvia1023]

I am tempted to do a new arm log myself and I can show people exactly where I pin. I will draw dots on my arm to show the areas I hit. As others have posted it's not difficult and more so just common sense. I haven't pinned my arms for years. When I did it was easy for me and I had no issues. It was a first for me as well so I did experiment a little bit. I had a minor issue when I injected my short head too close to the elbow but it wasn't bad at all and I knew not to hit that area again.

In regards to the tri-ceps you can't go wrong sticking to the main 2 areas of the tri-cep were there is more muscle meaning the long and lateral heads. You have to be a bit more careful with the medial head but it shouldn't be an issue for most as long as they start very low (ml) and build up gradually.

The only issue now is my back went again (twice in a few months) and I can't even walk so I am recovering now. I should be nearly back to normal in 1 week and it has been a struggle but I am trying to stay mentally positive but it is frustrating because I haven't been able to do simple tasks. I haven't worn socks/shoes for over 1 week because I can't get them on

 

[traininsane11]

I am tempted to do a new arm log myself and I can show people exactly where I pin. I will draw dots on my arm to show the areas I hit. As others have posted it's not difficult and more so just common sense. I haven't pinned my arms for years. When I did it was easy for me and I had no issues. It was a first for me as well so I did experiment a little bit. I had a minor issue when I injected my short head too close to the elbow but it wasn't bad at all and I knew not to hit that area again.

In regards to the tri-ceps you can't go wrong sticking to the main 2 areas of the tri-cep were there is more muscle meaning the long and lateral heads. You have to be a bit more careful with the medial head but it shouldn't be an issue for most as long as they start very low (ml) and build up gradually.

The only issue now is my back went again (twice in a few months) and I can't even walk so I am recovering now. I should be nearly back to normal in 1 week and it has been a struggle but I am trying to stay mentally positive but it is frustrating because I haven't been able to do simple tasks. I haven't worn socks/shoes for over 1 week because I can't get them on

That would probably be really useful for a lot!

I’m sloooowly building myself up for an arm injection probably triceps think they’re gonna be less painful than biceps and just use some mediphorm

Just curious to see if I get anything out of pinning arms hopefully more than just a bad injection and or pip

 

[Elvia1023]

I think in the long run that’s the smartest
Move especially when like you say HA does a somewhat similar kind of thing and none of the associated side effects, potential to screw up or weird post bodybuilding arm look.

I expect there’s lots of guys that made it work very well like Markus Ruhl for a prime example but I’m sure there’s just as many who it backfired for

I would be interested now at the top levels how many are switching over to HA products. I can only imagine Samson gets offered enough free mediphorm to
Fill a swimming pool

Some of the examples people post about the dangers of SEO are using alsorts of things. I saw Flex in person and I am blind and 10 metres away I could see the worst case of "seo abuse" I have ever seen in person. He looked so bad and it was bizarre because that's a guy with some of the best genetics of all time. Some of his past looks are in the top 10 of greatest ever imo and that black and white photo is fighting for top spot. That's not from injecting a bit of oil in his arms over the years. I have heard he had implants plus who knows what they put into their bodies. That was about 15 years ago when he was retired but he was still training and he was still obviously site injecting himself and his muscles had a weird/fake look to them which I had never seen in person before. He wasn't overly big but it was the fake looking shape and texture to the muscle that looked bad. I wouldn't be surprised if he had done silicone because it's very popular but it's much more hidden than SEO which should tell you something.

I know guys who have put massive amounts of syntherol into their bodies and they didn't look bad nor did it affect their future look. At the peak of their cycle their arms (etc) might have looked very inflamed and not great but that is temporary. I was really surprised how hard it made my arms look and how my vascularity popped out because I had read the opposite on various forums over they years. Some of these people are using other things but they won't tell the truth. Plus if they did use just SEO they are not using anything standard. Lot's of mental issues going on and that's when guys start injecting themselves with 20-50ml oil daily and pushing everything to the max and they end up looking horrible.

Some of the best physiques ever on this forum used it a lot. I can think of one guy who many will know who posted the most insane photos and people couldn't believe how freaky he looked. Some of these people are what I would call abusers as well so they take too much of everything. What about the guys putting in 2ml in certain areas every few days... you wouldn't even know.

One of the most aesthetic classic physique guys who has won big shows has used syntherol multiple times in his arms. I think it's a case of people need to try it for themselves then judge it. Literally 1 bottle and start low and build it up in your bi-ceps for example then come back with an opinion. If you don't like it after trying 1 bottle then you will know it's not for you.

Like with many things it's often the dose that is the poison. Seriously though you would have to be on a mission to fuck up a body part using syntherol. Another thing that should be mentioned is I think a lot of guys are adding their gear to the oil as well so you get the best of both worlds and it will make the gear easier to take especially at higher doses. The problem with that is increased inflammation from all the added solvents.

 

[Elvia1023]

That would probably be really useful for a lot!

I’m sloooowly building myself up for an arm injection probably triceps think they’re gonna be less painful than biceps and just use some mediphorm

Just curious to see if I get anything out of pinning arms hopefully more than just a bad injection and or pip

Jus start with something tiny like 0.1-0.5ml the first injection to get your bi-cep used to things. Then move up to 0.5ml and so on. For the sake of a few days just start super low and if you do have a bad reaction it will be minimized because of the tiny amount used.

 

[weedle]

I’ve used Syntherol for years. Usually twice a week only bis and tris. I used to inject 1cc at a time but now I’m only down to .7cc in my bis and .5cc in my tris. Most definitely improved my look without looking fake. I get quite a few compliments on my arms, being very vascular helps too. I recommend it, but don’t go bat shit crazy with the oil volume.

 

[warlock]

I’ve used Syntherol for years. Usually twice a week only bis and tris. I used to inject 1cc at a time but now I’m only down to .7cc in my bis and .5cc in my tris. Most definitely improved my look without looking fake. I get quite a few compliments on my arms, being very vascular helps too. I recommend it, but don’t go bat shit crazy with the oil volume.

Do you use 0.7cc into each head of the biceps and 0.5cc in just one head of the triceps?

How long do you run this protocol?

 

[Victory]

I did Big A's 30 day Syntherol protocol on bis and tris and used the Howto site Elvia mentioned.

When all was said and done, I kept almost 1.5" and had much more vascularity in my arms afterwards.

 

[weedle]

Do you use 0.7cc into each head of the biceps and 0.5cc in just one head of the triceps?

How long do you run this protocol?

I do .7cc in the short head of the biceps, while going up and down the head. So basically three spots on the short head but only .7cc at one time. The next time I inject I just choose a different spot on the short head. I rarely do the long head anymore. If I do it would be the same protocol as the short head, but I would only use .5cc in that head. My long head just doesn’t need as much volume as I’ve learned over time.
With the triceps I use the same protocol. I do inject both the long head and the lateral head with the triceps. .5cc at a time, again choosing a different location each time.
I emphasize do not keep injecting into only one spot of the heads when doing this. You are risking both scar tissue and it will give you an arm that doesn’t look “normal”. Rotate sites each time.

 

[weedle]

I did Big A's 30 day Syntherol protocol on bis and tris and used the Howto site Elvia mentioned.

When all was said and done, I kept almost 1.5" and had much more vascularity in my arms afterwards.

Yeah, I tried Big A’s protocol when I first started. Holy crap that was just too much oil at one time for me. The arms definitely blew up though, but I had to lower the volume.

 

[traininsane11]

I did Big A's 30 day Syntherol protocol on bis and tris and used the Howto site Elvia mentioned.

When all was said and done, I kept almost 1.5" and had much more vascularity in my arms afterwards.

That’s impressive! I respect the dedication of anyone that can keep up with that protocol I juussstt about manage to keep up with 3-4 shots per week let alone per day

 

[warlock]

I do .7cc in the short head of the biceps, while going up and down the head. So basically three spots on the short head but only .7cc at one time. The next time I inject I just choose a different spot on the short head. I rarely do the long head anymore. If I do it would be the same protocol as the short head, but I would only use .5cc in that head. My long head just doesn’t need as much volume as I’ve learned over time.
With the triceps I use the same protocol. I do inject both the long head and the lateral head with the triceps. .5cc at a time, again choosing a different location each time.
I emphasize do not keep injecting into only one spot of the heads when doing this. You are risking both scar tissue and it will give you an arm that doesn’t look “normal”. Rotate sites each time.

Thanks for that info.

Do you do this year-round, or do you take breaks in between? Do you notice a lot of extra fullness with that protocol or just some fullness?

 

[Swifto]

I wouldn't bother if I were you.

You've shown you can put on a shit ton of muscle tissue in a short time, so why not address the lacking areas properly first? If they dont grow or respond to your liking, then you have the SEO option if required.

Has a judge specifically told you that you need to bring up X muscle? You look pretty balanced IMO.

You have time to address issues. Your bodybuilding age is small.

 

[traininsane11]

I wouldn't bother if I were you.

You've shown you can put on a shit ton of muscle tissue in a short time, so why not address the lacking areas properly first? If they dont grow or respond to your liking, then you have the SEO option if required.

Has a judge specifically told you that you need to bring up X muscle? You look pretty balanced IMO.

You have time to address issues. Your bodybuilding age is small.

No this is a very much me thinking is there anything else I can be doing to be more competitive not based off any feedback so you could well be right and it
Could be totally unnecessary lol

 

[weedle]

Thanks for that info.

Do you do this year-round, or do you take breaks in between? Do you notice a lot of extra fullness with that protocol or just some fullness?

Year round. With this dose it’s purely maintenance now. Definitely notice some fullness for sure. Not a lot, you would have to increase the dosage. When I was at full bore I was injecting 1cc every where on my arms at least 5x a week. Now that was fullness. Without a doubt it permanently increased the size of my arms.

 

[Victory]

Yeah, I tried Big A’s protocol when I first started. Holy crap that was just too much oil at one time for me. The arms definitely blew up though, but I had to lower the volume.

That’s impressive! I respect the dedication of anyone that can keep up with that protocol I juussstt about manage to keep up with 3-4 shots per week let alone per day

The pumps were crazy! I enjoyed it in the tris but I was foam rolling the bis at least 3+ hours out of the day. And the veins coming out in the bis was making it tough to get the 2 shots in every day and trying to keep things even.

 

[traininsane11]

The pumps were crazy! I enjoyed it in the tris but I was foam rolling the bis at least 3+ hours out of the day. And the veins coming out in the bis was making it tough to get the 2 shots in every day and trying to keep things even.

I can see myself working up to some tricep shots but I’m yet to hear one positive bicep injection story in terms of pain even the thought of it is painful

 

[traininsane11]

Another question on **EDIT** that I’ve been unable to get an answer from the guys I know involved with it well not a fully explained one at least maybe I’m just retarded

Does it have a compounding effect for example if you inject 2ml vs 22ml they say apparently not because it doesn’t work like that BUT my question is if it sits in the muscle for up to 2 years how can more not be more if that makes sense

I saw on an old thread @luki7788 mentioned the progress Luke Sandoe made during a period he was using mega amounts of I assume **EDIT** but the word on the post had been blanked out or removed I’m guessing by mods or something at the time

Interested to know if this is a thing or not

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