SERM or AI during...

[Max32]

did some searches on this and saw some responses but none directly in regards to this distinction...

My thoughts were always that in regards to gains, SERMS like tamox, raloxifene or toremifense (ralox as a personal fav) was better while on as it allowed you to keep better size with some estrogen in the body as it only blocked the site, and obviously there are some anabolic benefits to having levels of estrogen in bulk phases.... Also, I was under the impression that AIs were a lot harder on lipids.

Now I am hearing that if one is getting sensitivity, SERMs will not do the trick and an AI is the best choice...my thoughts that aromasin would be the best as it is the most mild in terms of sides....

Curious to see personal thoughts/opinions on this one....thanks guys.

 

[Quad-smack]

Aromasin - best choice...

 

[Kaladryn]

obviously there are some anabolic benefits to having levels of estrogen in bulk phases....

I'm not so sure about this one, sure it's true that there are negative effects of taking estradiol too low, however I see zero evidence that having any excess of E2 is good for adding muscle.

I think this entire myth can be traced back to the cattle industry, when they discovered that giving estradiol along with tren gave the cows a better feed to weight ratio. In cattle farming, all they care about is how much weight they can put on their cows with how little feed. FYI they don't really care if they extra weight is all fat.

 

[Soulstealer]

From experience I can tell you that if I suppress my estrogen too low (letro or huge doses of arimidex) my gains slow down to a crawl.... but if I let my estro levels get higher and maybe use nolva for to prevent sides I blow up when on...

 

[Max32]

thanks for the feedback guys, 60 mg of raloxifene is still yielding a LOT of sensitivity, small lump about almond size in right nipple, had though for over a yr, and it shrinks when I am off or when I diet down... I have heard some say that 600 mg I3C (indole 3 carbinol) would help a little, yet I find it hard to believe an herbal can help in this case all that much...

 

[Kaladryn]

thanks for the feedback guys, 60 mg of raloxifene is still yielding a LOT of sensitivity, small lump about almond size in right nipple, had though for over a yr, and it shrinks when I am off or when I diet down... I have heard some say that 600 mg I3C (indole 3 carbinol) would help a little, yet I find it hard to believe an herbal can help in this case all that much...

Sounds like it might be prolactin gyno not estradiol gyno.

 

[Max32]

Sounds like it might be prolactin gyno not estradiol gyno.

what are the tell tale signs for that vs estrodiol gyno? I do have dostinex on hand...

 

[Quad-smack]

what are the tell tale signs for that vs estrodiol gyno? I do have dostinex on hand...

You can usually squeeze it and express some fluid. Yeah, not cool...

 

[Oilyshoulders]

From experience I can tell you that if I suppress my estrogen too low (letro or huge doses of arimidex) my gains slow down to a crawl.... but if I let my estro levels get higher and maybe use nolva for to prevent sides I blow up when on...

Soulstealer is this during or after cycle ? Also what's considered a high dose of Letro and Arimidex?
I plan on using Arimirdex for the 1st time on my 3rd week but I'm hearing humors about messing with my gains ?!?!

 

[Diggler28]

Soulstealer is this during or after cycle ? Also what's considered a high dose of Letro and Arimidex?
I plan on using Arimirdex for the 1st time on my 3rd week but I'm hearing humors about messing with my gains ?!?!

It can hinder gains by suppressing estrogen too much. You don't want too much and you don't want too little. There needs to be a balance in order to make good gains. Using an AI while on can be a good idea but many just keep one on hand in case it's needed. If you are not prone to gyno then it may be wise to not use one while on unless the need arises.

 

[aphextwin]

I say go with Aromasin and you will be good to go.

 

[LATS]

aromasin.. start small..

 

[LBJK88981]

aromasin.. start small..

I agree. It is the mildest of the AI's. I never like to use heavy aromatizing compounds, so as to minimize the necessity of ancillary drugs. Taking more drugs to combat unwanted effects of other drugs is not ideal and should be minimized to the greatest degree possible IMO

Alex