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Severe Libido/ED issues

Jackpot68

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I’m doing side work not but I appreciate all the help, I will review later tonight

Maybe I should of mention I been on AAS since I was 19 so about 10 years now. So for the people saying get off I don’t believe that would be an option
 

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Understand your advice but the OP says he’s out of work and without insurance. Endo dr is gonna cost a good amount of money. The issues he is having are very common among AAS users even at his age of 28. First problem is what he is taking. 28 years old and running TRT dosages of test and finastride? Give up the hair or the gear. 150mg of test per week at age 28 is useless. What are you trying to accomplish with this stack? Go with 400-500mg of test per week for 12 weeks stacked with an anabolic. Then PCT.
Been on since I was 19 years old so10 years now so most likely I need TRT

How long was ago was this bloodwork? 150mgs of test at your age will most likely end up shutting you down without being enough to get any benefits. Older guys run TRT because they don’t produce enough testosterone to achieve desirable levels.
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A dermapen is much more effective and avoids the tearing effect the dermaroller has on the scalp and hair, I use a Dr. Pen Ultima A6, check out these threads if you want more info:


Thank you for those links

and yes I agree with you, more plates more dates a famous you you tuber with an extensive amount of knowledge recommends the same thing, just trying to conserve money now. But I will def buy one!

There are tons of facts that we don't know about your situation. However, in young men their medication regimen is reviewed thoroughly to see if any drugs have side effects of ED. We only know you take test and finasteride. Finasteride is known for terrible side effects and two of the more common ones are ED and Gyno.

@aphextwin gave you good advice of reducing you finasteride dose since you don’t want to try discontinuing it.

Proton Pump Inhibitors (PPI) can cause ED. Nexum, Prevacid, Prilosec, omeprazole. This drug doesn’t even affect your hormones like finasteride. With PPI’s I am speaking from personal experience. I took them for over 6 months and couldn’t figure out why I was having ED problems. Got blood work and everything was normal. Then they looked at my medications and told me to stop talking Prevacid. Was back to normal in roughly 3-4 weeks.
I started .05 mg of fin today and going to run EOD, let’s see if this helps. Besides basics asthma medication im on nothing else. I don’t drink or smoke either. Just the occasional preworkout or fat Burner
 

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Pretty sure finasteride is your issue. I have awesome sex drive with low estrogen. I have more ed issues off an ai.

The reason proviron increases sex drive...dht. Dht is important for hard ons and you're blocking it with finasteride. If you keep your test levels reasonable, you shouldn't have to worry high dht unless you crush you e with an ai. Block estrogen conversion and you body will have no choice but to convert excess test to dht.
Agree
 

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Do you have blood work for pregnenolone, cortisol, DHEA, progesterone? Do you take HCG? The older I get the more I realize just manipulating Test/E2/DHT is not enough to feel good or even be remotely healthy. I absolutely have to have that natural pathway running either with HCG or with pregnenolone supplement.
Dhea, yes, but not of recent. It was high in range I had taken dhea supplement at 50mg a day for only 4-5 days and did not take day of blood work. Maybe still threw that number off.

I've tried hcg more than once, always seemed to make my situation worse, primarily tiredness/fatigue.

I'm always tinkering with my hormones and try to stay in tune with how I feel but there's so many variables, it can get hard to keep track. I kind of think elevated test levels are problem. I've always been one to want to cruise on 200-250mg test and blast on 500mg. I don't bump up to 500mg much anymore and when I do, I don't stay there long because things quickly go downhill, ai, no ai, small dose, high dose, doesn't matter. Test levels go up, estrogen goes up, swell like a fish, shortness of breath, high blood pressure. Take ai, estrogen goes down, dht goes through the roof and it's a whole other problem.

I've test my thyroid and the results were all over the place. I've only managed to find one article that touches on what my results looked like. I was in a really bad place then, like could sleep all day, every day, with restless leg syndrome. I don’t have restless leg syndrome anymore.


4. Hypothyroidism Caused by Decreased TBG​

This is the mirror image of the pattern above. When TBG levels are low, levels of free thyroid hormone will be high. You might think this would cause hyperthyroid symptoms. But too much free thyroid hormone in the bloodstream causes the cells to develop resistance to it. So, even though there’s more than enough thyroid hormone, the cells can’t use it and you’ll have hypothyroid—not hyperthyroid—symptoms.

With this pattern, TSH and T4 will be normal. If tested, T3 will be high, and T3 uptake and TBG will be low.

Decreased TBG is caused by high testosterone levels. (5) In women, it is commonly associated with PCOS and insulin resistance. Reversing insulin resistance and restoring blood sugar balance is the key to treating this pattern.


Unfortunately, I have an addictive personality. Steroids, the gym, marijuana(still haven't smoked for a couple weeks), my wife, lol. I'm aware, I make some progress and then mess up. I always try to convince myself that I'll figure it out the next time, never do. Finally back to 125mg test u/week and plan to ride it out for a while. It's definitely hard to come to terms with but I think I'm finally done running anything more than trt.
 

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you suggest lowering my dose from 150mg maybe to 120mg
Think you should read this entire article. I use test u as I see it as the future, not this dosing everyday stuff, that's just not practical and not using test u in the manner that most doctors do. Test u is slowly making it to the ugl market. Now I just gotta quick messing around with other steroids...

 

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Dhea, yes, but not of recent. It was high in range I had taken dhea supplement at 50mg a day for only 4-5 days and did not take day of blood work. Maybe still threw that number off.

I've tried hcg more than once, always seemed to make my situation worse, primarily tiredness/fatigue.

I'm always tinkering with my hormones and try to stay in tune with how I feel but there's so many variables, it can get hard to keep track. I kind of think elevated test levels are problem. I've always been one to want to cruise on 200-250mg test and blast on 500mg. I don't bump up to 500mg much anymore and when I do, I don't stay there long because things quickly go downhill, ai, no ai, small dose, high dose, doesn't matter. Test levels go up, estrogen goes up, swell like a fish, shortness of breath, high blood pressure. Take ai, estrogen goes down, dht goes through the roof and it's a whole other problem.

I've test my thyroid and the results were all over the place. I've only managed to find one article that touches on what my results looked like. I was in a really bad place then, like could sleep all day, every day, with restless leg syndrome. I don’t have restless leg syndrome anymore.


4. Hypothyroidism Caused by Decreased TBG​

This is the mirror image of the pattern above. When TBG levels are low, levels of free thyroid hormone will be high. You might think this would cause hyperthyroid symptoms. But too much free thyroid hormone in the bloodstream causes the cells to develop resistance to it. So, even though there’s more than enough thyroid hormone, the cells can’t use it and you’ll have hypothyroid—not hyperthyroid—symptoms.

With this pattern, TSH and T4 will be normal. If tested, T3 will be high, and T3 uptake and TBG will be low.

Decreased TBG is caused by high testosterone levels. (5) In women, it is commonly associated with PCOS and insulin resistance. Reversing insulin resistance and restoring blood sugar balance is the key to treating this pattern.


Unfortunately, I have an addictive personality. Steroids, the gym, marijuana(still haven't smoked for a couple weeks), my wife, lol. I'm aware, I make some progress and then mess up. I always try to convince myself that I'll figure it out the next time, never do. Finally back to 125mg test u/week and plan to ride it out for a while. It's definitely hard to come to terms with but I think I'm finally done running anything more than trt.
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Maybe try supplementing with pregnenolone and progesterone. I had many similar problems with estrogen and joints and libido but feel SO much better on 5mg pregnenolone/10mg progesterone in DMSO topically AM and PM. I do balls once a day and chest/neck once a day (rotate sites). It’s like a night and day difference. Theoretically HCG should give you those hormones but I never got a lot out of HCG maybe because my test levels were naturally low to begin with lol
 

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One of the main things I noticed right away was my nipples no longer hurt if I bumped them accidentally. Way less sensitive. Progesterone balances estrogen in the body (males too) and years of TRT had depleted my progesterone and left me out of balance.
 

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Word man

Maybe try supplementing with pregnenolone and progesterone. I had many similar problems with estrogen and joints and libido but feel SO much better on 5mg pregnenolone/10mg progesterone in DMSO topically AM and PM. I do balls once a day and chest/neck once a day (rotate sites). It’s like a night and day difference. Theoretically HCG should give you those hormones but I never got a lot out of HCG maybe because my test levels were naturally low to begin with lol
Where you sourcing pregnenolone and progesterone from?
 

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One of the main things I noticed right away was my nipples no longer hurt if I bumped them accidentally. Way less sensitive. Progesterone balances estrogen in the body (males too) and years of TRT had depleted my progesterone and left me out of balance.
Interesting. My nipples are super sensitive when I bump them too. Still waiting on my pregnenolone to arrive.
 

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Interesting. My nipples are super sensitive when I bump them too. Still waiting on my pregnenolone to arrive.
I hope it works for you. It’s such a simple but obvious fix. If it works then it’s incredibly easy to permanently implement. On the TRT boards I visit they say if you use preg then enough will convert to prog if you need it. I was a little nervous about trusting that conversion with my messed up body lol so I backfill preg and take prog directly.
 

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I've been on trt for a long time and routinely run into this same issue. I've never found a solution but i have a quick fix that always works. I can simply take an oral. Seems like any oral works. Drol, dbol, winny, etc. Ill take that shit a few hours before i want to have sex and my cock turns into megatron. Sensation increases drastically its amazing. This effect last for like 2-4 days after one single dose of an oral.

Idk what the oral is providing that im lacking? Maybe DHT? Its not just a small difference, its a tremendous difference. I go from my dick basically being numb and half limp to a super hero dick with one friggin dose of an oral. Most of the year im on cycle anyway and its mostly functional from the other gear. This is just my quick fix for when I'm on trt and have the limp dick blues.
 

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Understand your advice but the OP says he’s out of work and without insurance. Endo dr is gonna cost a good amount of money. The issues he is having are very common among AAS users even at his age of 28. First problem is what he is taking. 28 years old and running TRT dosages of test and finastride? Give up the hair or the gear. 150mg of test per week at age 28 is useless. What are you trying to accomplish with this stack? Go with 400-500mg of test per week for 12 weeks stacked with an anabolic. Then PCT.
Listen bro if he can afford to have blood work done and buy aas and cialis and ai and everything
If I was in his shoes I use that money to pay out of pocket to see a real doctor. Not Listen to a bunch bodybuilding doctors on a forum.his a kid for crying out loud 28 years old with these problems he needs a doctor
 

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I've been on trt for a long time and routinely run into this same issue. I've never found a solution but i have a quick fix that always works. I can simply take an oral. Seems like any oral works. Drol, dbol, winny, etc. Ill take that shit a few hours before i want to have sex and my cock turns into megatron. Sensation increases drastically its amazing. This effect last for like 2-4 days after one single dose of an oral.

Idk what the oral is providing that im lacking? Maybe DHT? Its not just a small difference, its a tremendous difference. I go from my dick basically being numb and half limp to a super hero dick with one friggin dose of an oral. Most of the year im on cycle anyway and its mostly functional from the other gear. This is just my quick fix for when I'm on trt and have the limp dick blues.
Very interesting
Listen bro if he can afford to have blood work done and buy aas and cialis and ai and everything
If I was in his shoes I use that money to pay out of pocket to see a real doctor. Not Listen to a bunch bodybuilding doctors on a forum.his a kid for crying out loud 28 years old with these problems he needs a doctor
I mean you’re Def not wrong I do want to see a Dr but most of these types of Drs won’t be covered by my insurance bc a lot of them are out of network plus my Insurance sucks but I did get my bloodwork covered I think. I guess I’ll get a bill in the mail if I owe money for my blood work. I’ve never had free insurance before but I know these dr visits can range from $100-$300 out of pocket. That’s a lot esp if I have to go back multiply times. Again agreed Dr is end game solution (we’ll hope I can find a good Dr)

For now I wanna see if there is anything I can do on my own

So far I switched my Finasteride from 1mg ED to .5mg EOD. And I’m only 40mg of Nolvadex for my gyno.

I will update in a week guys
 

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Low estradiol will increase of bone and cardiovascular disease and can negatively affect libido. Finasteride is notorious for negatively affecting libido and erections because now you are lowering another important testosterone metabolite; DHT. Nolvadex for 8-12 weeks will usually clear up any gyno for most
 

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Low estradiol will increase of bone and cardiovascular disease and can negatively affect libido. Finasteride is notorious for negatively affecting libido and erections because now you are lowering another important testosterone metabolite; DHT. Nolvadex for 8-12 weeks will usually clear up any gyno for most
I’m on nolvadex 40mg for almost a week gyno seems to be getting better which is a plus.

been on .5 of fin every other day for I think over a week, maybe things are little better but need more time to see. But def still bad
 

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UPDATE:

So for about 4 weeks not I have kept my test dose the same at 125mg a week. I have lowered my Finasteride dosage from 1mg ED to .5mg EOD and have been taking Nolvadex 40mg ED to get rid of my gyno which it did a good job of, I’m down tapering off the Nolvadex at 10mg.

Lowering the Finasteride has done NOTHING for my libido. Except I feel my hair is thinning more now on my temples.

I’m having ED issues still and still NO sex drive at all, 0%. This weekend was my birthday and I didn’t even wanna do anything with my partner and she was upset about it. Ended up doing it anyway and I have no sensation and no drive.

Ive made an appointment with an endocrinologist But the problem is it’s a 3 month wait. He was referred by a friend so I’m hoping his knowledgeable but idk how much longer I can put up with this.

This has been going on for months now and another 3 months is a long time, I’m worried about damaging my relationship as well.

Is there any temporary solution that I can implement now to make me feel normal again and to help my relationship?

I may try some of the recommendations ITT such as taking proviron(ugh bad on hair)and caber temporarily to hopefully help for a quick fix
 

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UPDATE:

So for about 4 weeks not I have kept my test dose the same at 125mg a week. I have lowered my Finasteride dosage from 1mg ED to .5mg EOD and have been taking Nolvadex 40mg ED to get rid of my gyno which it did a good job of, I’m down tapering off the Nolvadex at 10mg.

Lowering the Finasteride has done NOTHING for my libido. Except I feel my hair is thinning more now on my temples.

I’m having ED issues still and still NO sex drive at all, 0%. This weekend was my birthday and I didn’t even wanna do anything with my partner and she was upset about it. Ended up doing it anyway and I have no sensation and no drive.

Ive made an appointment with an endocrinologist But the problem is it’s a 3 month wait. He was referred by a friend so I’m hoping his knowledgeable but idk how much longer I can put up with this.

This has been going on for months now and another 3 months is a long time, I’m worried about damaging my relationship as well.

Is there any temporary solution that I can implement now to make me feel normal again and to help my relationship?

I may try some of the recommendations ITT such as taking proviron(ugh bad on hair)and caber temporarily to hopefully help for a quick fix
I'd discuss the issues with your partner. Communication is key and all. I've been on Proviron for six months and although I had a lot of thinning now I have a legit bald spot.
 

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I'm super old school. Anytime I have issues I've always just blasted Test for a short while and problem solved. I recently totally came off after a bad accident. Sex drive started to go down, down, down. So I hit about 500mg EW for a few weeks and damn I'm a walking erection (over 50) Take Nolva if nips hurt that's it, works every time.
 

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I'd discuss the issues with your partner. Communication is key and all. I've been on Proviron for six months and although I had a lot of thinning now I have a legit bald spot.
I agree that communication is 100% the key, something like this I feel can ruin a man if there significant other found out. As much as I agree with communication this is something I won’t mention to her. I been depressed the last few month bc of my job situation and that’s another thing I refuse to tell her.

yes I know I’m def thinning more that I lowered my dose of fin and I know proviron is horrible for the hair but if I have todo it for a few weeks just to feel normal again I’ll do it temporarily.
 

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