Severe Libido/ED issues

[Jackpot68]

Sorry brother.
on a serious note, my E2 was high and I also was having that same issue.

I dont believe my estro has todo with this bc when i got blood work couple months back it was in range on the lower side now mine is in range on the higher side

Increasing dopamine may help. Try muca purlins. Anything that raises dopamine will lower prolactin as well. Caber, prami, p5p, mucana, etc

My prolactin was in range, im gonna continue trying supplements to raise dopamine.I will try muca purlins next.

 

[goback2013]

another good resource, from a perceptive outside the aas world is reddit.
specifically the 'sexondrugs' sub.

r/sexondrugs

while the sub is primarily focused on the best chemical(s) for sex, and experiences with these chemicals(drugs),
there are also other discussions on libido and ed issues.

just another supplement to this thread.

 

[jeroendebleser]

Thank you my friend for this informative post its much appreciated

I forgot to add im supplementing with L-Tyrosine and B-Complex(p5p b6 inside) for the last 3 weeks I don't believe its helping much with my self diagnosed anhedonia. I'm speculating i have a dopamine deficiency thats what i chose those supplements . I have just added in rhodiola extract to see if that helps.

I was a CO at Rikers island one of the most notrious jails in the US ive been face to face with bloods,crips, inmates armed with shanks,insane situations you would not believe, etc and yes i was scared but i always held my own and showed them i didnt fear them even tho sometimes i did,but seeing a psychiatrist terrifys me..i finally had the talk with my girlfriend about my sex drive issue and anhedonia and it was the hardest talk ive ever had. I have an old school mentality with woman an truly and firmly believe the man is the ROCK and i am weak if im having mental problems.

I watch a knowledgeable YouTuber Leo Rex who says good things about Wellbutrin, but like you mention i hear this mental health pros loving throwing SSRIs at you which can kill sex drive which could be even more of a nightmare for me. Ive read and listening to podcast and videos how people take antidepressants and nothing works! They been depressed and mentally ill for decades! On SSRIs, antidepressants, anti psychotics, etc and there lives seem like a nightmare, hell on earth and i don't want that to happen to me.

I feel lost esp after a top Dr at a prestigious hospital literately told me "I don't know what to tell you"

but i will keep trying

Wellbutrin is a good suggestion from Sides, it's very pro-sexual.

 

[aphextwin]

****UPDATE*****

-Currently still on 150mg test e 1x week
-Been off Finasteride 4 months
-ED issues definitely but i can still perform at like 50% which is terrible but could be worse. Sex drive is absolute ZERO, no sex drive at all.Nothing todo with my relationship. I legit feel Asexual.
- Self diagnosed myself with "Anhedonia"
"Anhedonia is the inability to feel pleasure. It's a common symptom of depression as well as other mental health disorders.
Most people understand what pleasure feels like. They expect certain things in life to make them happy. Maybe you enjoy riding your bike, listening to the sounds of the ocean, or holding someone's hand. But some people lose the ability to feel joy. The things that once made them content are no longer fun or enjoyable. That's anhedonia."
- I feel as of the last couple of months i have this. I feel empty, i feel dead inside, nothing make me happy, not freinds,not family, not my gf, nothing i feel no joy. I went on an amazing tropical vacation 5 stars bc i won a law suit with a nice lump some of money, neither did the money or vacation affect my mood. Im not miserable or sad per say just not happy.....I attribute this to being 29 losing a career wich was my choice and have not bounced back since a year ago working a cash job for the 1st time in my life. I had my ED/Sex drive issuies before this but obvisuly this does not help my situation.
-Updated labs as of a few weeks ago
All blood markers normal and in range
Testosterone total 813
Estradiol 44 (Little high but don't think its concerning)
Prolactin 14.7
-Saw an Endocrinologist in NYU in NYC told me everything hormonal looks fine
-Referred me to an NYU Urologist who was the head director of sexual dysfunction program. Knowledgeable nice guy who took his time talking and listening to me. He legit didnt know what to tell me. He said i was very knowledgeable and had my head in the right place he just didnt know. He speculated it was the finasteride as i did and said just maybe time. He told me he had guys on Fin who got off and got back to normal and then had guys who got off of fin and wanted to commit suicide.He told me he felt i was in the middle like 5/10. I asked him name of colleagues that he can think of whom maybe can help, he gave me a list of names of Drs from top universities but the best i could do is email them and hope for a response.


Is there anyone who can help me with this issue?

Between this sex drive issue and this possible "Anhedonia" cant imagine living like this

No disrespect, but you gone to see psychiatrist? It sounds like you might need to see someone, and that’s okay. No one is perfect in this world.

Also, not sure if anyone has addressed this but are you watching a lot of porn by chance?

 

[Jackpot68]

another good resource, from a perceptive outside the aas world is reddit.
specifically the 'sexondrugs' sub.

r/sexondrugs

while the sub is primarily focused on the best chemical(s) for sex, and experiences with these chemicals(drugs),
there are also other discussions on libido and ed issues.

just another supplement to this thread.

Thank you i have come across that sub reddit before. Maybe i should make a post

Wellbutrin is a good suggestion from Sides, it's very pro-sexual.

Ive heard good things actually BUT haven't done my own research as i fear medications that have todo with brain chemicals

No disrespect, but you gone to see psychiatrist? It sounds like you might need to see someone, and that’s okay. No one is perfect in this world.

Also, not sure if anyone has addressed this but are you watching a lot of porn by chance?

None taken, Thats a big hurdle for me to overcome....This started possible due to a possible AAS side effect and getting worse due to mental health. Now i have a libido problem along with possibly some type of depression. As far as porn i would say it depends prob watch it 3-5x times a week a sleep with my girlfriend 1-2x a week. She tried last night but my mood was so altered by her getting out of work late it turned me off completely(yes very minor thing but effected me greatly)(also have no sex drive away so i could care less)

As i type this i feel "lifeless" it was a struggle to get myself to drive 10 mins away to pick up lunch, just feel like going to bed right now

 

[aphextwin]

Thank you i have come across that sub reddit before. Maybe i should make a post

Ive heard good things actually BUT haven't done my own research as i fear medications that have todo with brain chemicals

None taken, Thats a big hurdle for me to overcome....This started possible due to a possible AAS side effect and getting worse due to mental health. Now i have a libido problem along with possibly some type of depression. As far as porn i would say it depends prob watch it 3-5x times a week a sleep with my girlfriend 1-2x a week. She tried last night but my mood was so altered by her getting out of work late it turned me off completely(yes very minor thing but effected me greatly)(also have no sex drive away so i could care less)

As i type this i feel "lifeless" it was a struggle to get myself to drive 10 mins away to pick up lunch, just feel like going to bed right now

Do yourself a favor and see someone. Many of us have felt this way before in our lives. You have to take action. No one else can do it for you. Get yourself well, brother.

 

[Jackpot68]

Do yourself a favor and see someone. Many of us have felt this way before in our lives. You have to take action. No one else can do it for you. Get yourself well, brother.

You are probably right but i cant come to terms that i was so happy last year and now im a lifeless person who has not felt happiness for months now all bc i decided to leave career and now im at rock bottom. Is this something that i can fix when ever i find a career again that i want or has the damage already been done? Big fear of mental health drugs like i said. I hear stories of people on this medication that medication, this one dont work this one has to many side effects, people who have been depressed for years,etc it seems like its a legit cluster fuck. Opposed to people with other disorders like diabetes watch your sugar take insulin,etc , high blood pressure take this med, watch sodium intake, exercise, etc and its manageable. Mental health does not work this way it seems and that's horrifying to me bc it could make things worse

 

[aphextwin]

You are probably right but i cant come to terms that i was so happy last year and now im a lifeless person who has not felt happiness for months now all bc i decided to leave career and now im at rock bottom. Is this something that i can fix when ever i find a career again that i want or has the damage already been done? Big fear of mental health drugs like i said. I hear stories of people on this medication that medication, this one dont work this one has to many side effects, people who have been depressed for years,etc it seems like its a legit cluster fuck. Opposed to people with other disorders like diabetes watch your sugar take insulin,etc , high blood pressure take this med, watch sodium intake, exercise, etc and its manageable. Mental health does not work this way it seems and that's horrifying to me bc it could make things worse

Only you have the answer. You have to be honest with yourself. If you aren’t happy with your gf or lack of career, fix it.you’re in a temporary spot, but you probably think it’s permanent.

 

[carbs]

hmmmm all hormones fine... definitely sounds like PFS

I like people suggestions about dopamine....
Wellbuturin sounds like a plan. I'ld be interested to see how you felt after adderall/dextroamphetamine (not that I recommend stimulants) but just to see if it is in fact a dopamine thing.

 

[aphextwin]

You are probably right but i cant come to terms that i was so happy last year and now im a lifeless person who has not felt happiness for months now all bc i decided to leave career and now im at rock bottom. Is this something that i can fix when ever i find a career again that i want or has the damage already been done? Big fear of mental health drugs like i said. I hear stories of people on this medication that medication, this one dont work this one has to many side effects, people who have been depressed for years,etc it seems like its a legit cluster fuck. Opposed to people with other disorders like diabetes watch your sugar take insulin,etc , high blood pressure take this med, watch sodium intake, exercise, etc and its manageable. Mental health does not work this way it seems and that's horrifying to me bc it could make things worse

You don't sound like you are getting any better. Who says you need medication? Talk to someone dude. That's what it sounds like you need. How much longer do you want to coexist like this? I just don't want you to do something stupid like deleting yourself.

 

[Cerberus777]

You don't sound like you are getting any better. Who says you need medication? Talk to someone dude. That's what it sounds like you need. How much longer do you want to coexist like this? I just don't want you to do something stupid like deleting yourself.

This, you may just be "lost"...with major life decisions, stress ect. I've been there a few times. And had very similar experiences to what you're dealing with. Sometimes throwing drugs at something isn't the answer. It's OK if it is. But having an unbiased ear like a therapist is golden.

 

[Jackpot68]

Only you have the answer. You have to be honest with yourself. If you aren’t happy with your gf or lack of career, fix it.you’re in a temporary spot, but you probably think it’s permanent.

Thats def my issue as i thought its a permanent thing. At this point i know its not but my career is no easy fix what so ever.

hmmmm all hormones fine... definitely sounds like PFS

I like people suggestions about dopamine....
Wellbuturin sounds like a plan. I'ld be interested to see how you felt after adderall/dextroamphetamine (not that I recommend stimulants) but just to see if it is in fact a dopamine thing.

Head Dr at NYU told me since all hormones are fine that speculating to be PFS. As i stated before he basically didn't know what to tell me. Question is, is this just PFS or am i/have i developed a form of depression. I have 10mg of adderall i want to take it to see how i feel and to help me with reading a book i bought, i just don't want to freak out on it and get inside my own head.

You don't sound like you are getting any better. Who says you need medication? Talk to someone dude. That's what it sounds like you need. How much longer do you want to coexist like this? I just don't want you to do something stupid like deleting yourself.

Does talking to someone really help though? I have about 3 close freinds who i really open up to so its not that i keep anything bottled up. Obviously they are not mental health professionals. I can tell you i cant imagine coexisting like this for years like some people do. This has been going on maybe 3-4 months? and its terrible the libido thing is AWFUL but throw this in the mix where im not able to feel happiness? In a genreal aspect i dont see the point of living if someone had to go through this for the rest of there life

This, you may just be "lost"...with major life decisions, stress ect. I've been there a few times. And had very similar experiences to what you're dealing with. Sometimes throwing drugs at something isn't the answer. It's OK if it is. But having an unbiased ear like a therapist is golden.

I felt lost then found a better career and left that career and im now at rock bottom so maybe?

Questions is to see a psychiatrist, psychologist, or therapist. Or do i need to really see one at all? I feel out of place going to see one

 

[Cerberus777]

Thats def my issue as i thought its a permanent thing. At this point i know its not but my career is no easy fix what so ever.


Head Dr at NYU told me since all hormones are fine that speculating to be PFS. As i stated before he basically didn't know what to tell me. Question is, is this just PFS or am i/have i developed a form of depression. I have 10mg of adderall i want to take it to see how i feel and to help me with reading a book i bought, i just don't want to freak out on it and get inside my own head.

Does talking to someone really help though? I have about 3 close freinds who i really open up to so its not that i keep anything bottled up. Obviously they are not mental health professionals. I can tell you i cant imagine coexisting like this for years like some people do. This has been going on maybe 3-4 months? and its terrible the libido thing is AWFUL but throw this in the mix where im not able to feel happiness? In a genreal aspect i dont see the point of living if someone had to go through this for the rest of there life

I felt lost then found a better career and left that career and im now at rock bottom so maybe?

Questions is to see a psychiatrist, psychologist, or therapist. Or do i need to really see one at all? I feel out of place going to see one

If not a therapist than a life coach. People you know fall into 2 categories when you talk to them. 1. There advice benefits them in some way. 2. They tell you what they think you want to hear. When I was in your position a little Welbutrin and someone to talk ideas to that didn't know me was priceless. Someone to say your veiw is clouded on a subject or follow what motivates you. Even if you have a medical issue your thought patterns are changed. Fixing hormones don't throw a switch on to get you back in gear. You need to do that yourself. And if someone is helping you, you need to know they're in your court.

 

[Jackpot68]

If not a therapist than a life coach. People you know fall into 2 categories when you talk to them. 1. There advice benefits them in some way. 2. They tell you what they think you want to hear. When I was in your position a little Welbutrin and someone to talk ideas to that didn't know me was priceless. Someone to say your veiw is clouded on a subject or follow what motivates you. Even if you have a medical issue your thought patterns are changed. Fixing hormones don't throw a switch on to get you back in gear. You need to do that yourself. And if someone is helping you, you need to know they're in your court.

Interesting put on it

Just a little update as how im doing today. Typically i feel lifeless and empty on the inside no happiness, sadness, motivation, etc. Today im feeling a wave of sadness for no particular reason. Ive had lack of sleep last 2 days around 6-7 hours. I find if i don't get at least 8 hours im EXTREMELY fatigued/tired, like im on 800mg of DNP type of tired. Was up early got a job application for a painters union(not rly interested but cant pass it up)went home napped for a few hours, drank an energy drink then struggled with a boxing workout with my trainer. Currently have a wave of sadness that i cant explain, I would say on scale of 1-10 im about a 5/10 right now. Something like this is not a good feeling. Hope it goes away

 

[Cerberus777]

Interesting put on it

Just a little update as how im doing today. Typically i feel lifeless and empty on the inside no happiness, sadness, motivation, etc. Today im feeling a wave of sadness for no particular reason. Ive had lack of sleep last 2 days around 6-7 hours. I find if i don't get at least 8 hours im EXTREMELY fatigued/tired, like im on 800mg of DNP type of tired. Was up early got a job application for a painters union(not rly interested but cant pass it up)went home napped for a few hours, drank an energy drink then struggled with a boxing workout with my trainer. Currently have a wave of sadness that i cant explain, I would say on scale of 1-10 im about a 5/10 right now. Something like this is not a good feeling. Hope it goes away

Sometimes you need to go through the motions of things that you normally enjoy or good for you. I need exercise to sleep properly. You can at least look at the day and know you did it right regardless of how you felt. It took a while for my feelings to line up with my actions. But actions are all you have control of sometimes. Feelings are just learned based on triggers. They aren't always right. Stoicism might help you as well.

 

[alfresco]

Interesting put on it

Just a little update as how im doing today. Typically i feel lifeless and empty on the inside no happiness, sadness, motivation, etc. Today im feeling a wave of sadness for no particular reason. Ive had lack of sleep last 2 days around 6-7 hours. I find if i don't get at least 8 hours im EXTREMELY fatigued/tired, like im on 800mg of DNP type of tired. Was up early got a job application for a painters union(not rly interested but cant pass it up)went home napped for a few hours, drank an energy drink then struggled with a boxing workout with my trainer. Currently have a wave of sadness that i cant explain, I would say on scale of 1-10 im about a 5/10 right now. Something like this is not a good feeling. Hope it goes away

I know I am sounding like a broken record but I would get a very comprehensive blood test and see a good psychologist and or psychiatrist. Depression is very hard on you physically and psychologically, something to take seriously. You can and will feel better once you get on the right path for you.

 

[airman]

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[Nyoco]

Give this podcast a watch:

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Good-willed minds think alike, I pm´d him that Huberman podcast today aswell. Another guy with good knowledge and interesting content is Hans Amato:

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[Kaladryn]

Pretty sure finasteride is your issue. I have awesome sex drive with low estrogen. I have more ed issues off an ai.

The reason proviron increases sex drive...dht. Dht is important for hard ons and you're blocking it with finasteride. If you keep your test levels reasonable, you shouldn't have to worry high dht unless you crush you e with an ai. Block estrogen conversion and you body will have no choice but to convert excess test to dht.

This is totally inaccurate. Only around 1% to 3% of testosterone is converted to DHT and E2, blocking one will not significantly increase the other. Reduction to DHT and aromatization to E2 are not primary metabolism pathways for testosterone.

Also, when on testosterone (TRT doses) taking finasteride doesn't actually lower serum DHT levels by that much, usually around 50%. I really doubt finasteride is your issue, although I would recommend lowering your daily dose to .25mg

 

[Kaladryn]

Also, cut finasteride back to .5 ED....stay at that for a week or two.

There is almost zero difference between taking .2mg and taking 1mg finasteride (per the original study that got finasteride approved for hairloss).